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--What price range does one need to step up to get two discreet HD video sources displayed simultaneously?

$458 would get you two vsx-520s, with zone 2 stereo/multichannel sound and zone 2 hdmi/component/composite video. (Probably, though, you need a single receiver, for some reason -- I'm just trying to be constructive.)

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The wides are neither Dolby nor Audessey, but Pioneer's own implementation.

Just wondering, where did you see/how do you know that? Have they done that before? I've never heard of anybody doing wides before besides Audyssey. I knew heights were done before by Yamaha and then Dolby but never seen wides previously. I'm not trying to question your knowledge or anything just trying to get as much info as I can on these and the upcoming elites.

Edit: Never mind found it in the 1020 manual.
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Edit: Never mind found it in the 1020 manual.

Also in this press release Pioneer says: "Additionally, Pioneer's proprietary Front Wide Mode adds versatility and dimension to a 7.1 speaker arrangement."

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Also in this press release Pioneer says: "Additionally, Pioneer's proprietary Front Wide Mode adds versatility and dimension to a 7.1 speaker arrangement."

Thanks. I actually didn't know about the press release I just saw them on Amazon.
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No phono input?
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Hmmm, the 1120 really fits the bill for me but with the potential for the Elites to roll out soon after that could be tempting. Having not owned any Pio gear before, how big of a step up are the Elites from the top-of-the-line non-Elites?
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Currently, none of the regular Pioneers deliver the stated wattage with all channels driven, while all of the Elites do. The 1020 will be an updated 1019, while it appears that the 1120 will be an updated Elite 21, which is THX rated, and looks to deliver stated wattage with all channels driven. This is critical to achieving the stunning audio that the Elites are noted for.
The Pioneer 1120 will probably be the most powerful receiver on the planet at its price point. Great choice for you; I don't know if I could do without the Elite name on mine, as I have a Pioneer Elite VSX-54TX that I have had for 5 years, and the only reason I would update is for HDMI and the new surround modes.

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Currently, none of the regular Pioneers deliver the stated wattage with all channels driven, while all of the Elites do. The 1020 will be an updated 1019, while it appears that the 1120 will be an updated Elite 21, which is THX rated, and looks to deliver stated wattage with all channels driven. This is critical to achieving the stunning audio that the Elites are noted for.
The Pioneer 1120 will probably be the most powerful receiver on the planet at its price point. Great choice for you; I don't know if I could do without the Elite name on mine, as I have a Pioneer Elite VSX-54TX that I have had for 5 years, and the only reason I would update is for HDMI and the new surround modes.

Are you joking, the ONKYO 608 is already pre on sale for less than $450 and weights over 25 pounds and the amp rated a 6.3 amps input!!! Take that in the balls pioneer, if pioneer still got any.
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Are you joking, the ONKYO 608 is already pre on sale for less than $450 and weights over 25 pounds and the amp rated a 6.3 amps input!!! Take that in the balls pioneer, if pioneer still got any.

Wow. Just.... Wow.
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Are you joking, the ONKYO 608 is already pre on sale for less than $450 and weights over 25 pounds and the amp rated a 6.3 amps input!!! Take that in the balls pioneer, if pioneer still got any.

You should do research before you state anything. I have the Elite 23TXh which is the twin to the 1120...and it weighs 29.8....and the Onkyo its 25lbs? plus the Elite its 110watts while the Onkyo 100...

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1120 will ship in June; 1020 will ship in late april/early may
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I'm keeping my eye on the 1120. I'm a sucker for anything with a LAN port. I just wish it also supported BlackBerry for control instead of just the iPhone.

I'm used to the stated wattage being overblown on most receivers of this type but that would be great if that's not the case with the 1120!
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Its the price point, ""bang for the buck wow factor"". Thats what I'm taking about
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Are you joking, the ONKYO 608 is already pre on sale for less than $450 and weights over 25 pounds and the amp rated a 6.3 amps input!!! Take that in the balls pioneer, if pioneer still got any.

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Its the price point, ""bang for the buck wow factor"". Thats what I'm taking about
Onkyo 608

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you figured out what dsp chips do yet?

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Yes I have, have you done the same.

In this price range, don't give it a second thought..
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Any one have an idea when they'll be out?

May and June, according to Pioneer product pages: VSX-1020-K, VSX-1120-K.

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Do you think there will be a large noticeable difference between the video scaling and processing between the 1020 and 1120? What will these chips do for my 1080i or 480i cable signal? Or is someone better off getting the VSX-820 and a DVDO Edge or something similar?
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Do you think there will be a large noticeable difference between the video scaling and processing between the 1020 and 1120?

I have no idea. Since TVs these days provide scaling and various other video processing, I don't even know what the point is of providing for this in receivers, anyhow. I hope someone can tell us more.

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I would say the upscaling is a critical issue for me. My older AVR was nothing more than a relay switch for video signal meaning the output type had to match the input. So if you had a component video in, you get a component video out. In practice, you would need to switch the receiver for the source and the tv to match the correct input and have multiple cables from the AVR to the TV. With the upscaling/processing, you can upconvert everything to HDMI and run one wire to the tv/projector and not have to mess with the tv/projector inputs. Granted some tvs do a great job with the upconversion, but having to switch two sources is a lot of mental work for spouses, visitors, etc.

In my particular case, I swapped out the TV for a projector and now have 15' of cable run to consider. I can't feasibly run HDMI, component and composite (all connection I have and use regularly: HDMI=BD, component=DVD/wii, composite=old tivo). Video processing is required to transfer the signals to the single HDMI cable. Whether or not any upscaling happens at the AVR stage is something I want to empirical explore once I get the new receiver. Keeping the audio and video processing in the same box (AVR) would seem like it would be easier to keep the lipsync issue from cropping up. Time will tell.
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My biggest issue with upscaling (and video processing) is lag. I don't want a frame or two worth of lag (on top of whatever internet lag I may have) when I'm playing MW2 or Bad Company. I'm more interested in whether I can turn any of the visual processing off completely. From what I've read in the past you can with Pioneer receivers. Hopefully this gen does it too...
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What will these chips do for my 1080i or 480i cable signal?

Marvell product brochure

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My biggest issue with upscaling (and video processing) is lag. I don't want a frame or two worth of lag (on top of whatever internet lag I may have) when I'm playing MW2 or Bad Company. I'm more interested in whether I can turn any of the visual processing off completely. From what I've read in the past you can with Pioneer receivers. Hopefully this gen does it too...

Yeah, I would never run my video signal through an AVR for PC gaming. Video to the display (which should be in game mode and in the displays native resolution) and audio to the receiver. If you use a single HDMI cable for both, you will have to deal with any lag that may come with it or get a dedicated sound card.

One reason I'm glad I have a dedicated multichannel analog soundcard. 7.1 to my AVR and video straight to my TV.
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Hmmm, the 1120 really fits the bill for me but with the potential for the Elites to roll out soon after that could be tempting. Having not owned any Pio gear before, how big of a step up are the Elites from the top-of-the-line non-Elites?

Sometimes nothing more than an "Elite" stamp and a 1 year warranty vs 2.

The VSX-9140TXH and VSX-9040TXH are exact clones of the VSX-23 and VSX-21 minus the "ELITE" stamp and waaranty.
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Brief preview video from Pioneer on the new 2010 line of receivers:

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/ro...Receivers.html
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I am probably going to be in the market for a new mid ranged A/V receiver in the next few months. These two models look really promising. I am trying to sift through everything here. My question to anyone in the know is will these receivers do 24hz for Blu-ray?
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Sometimes nothing more than an "Elite" stamp and a 1 year warranty vs 2.

The VSX-9140TXH and VSX-9040TXH are exact clones of the VSX-23 and VSX-21 minus the "ELITE" stamp and waaranty.

How can that really be? Just curious as I am in the market and while read a lot of good stuff about Denon, have always had great luck with prior Pioneer products [LD/ DVD]. I am moving from a Luxman 2 channel...
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Marvell product brochure

Interesting information on the Marvell chip. It promises to do a lot though I'm not sure I like every enhancement. I will be interested to hear what people say once they get their hands on the 1120 to see how it performs.
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The 1120 looks really interesting to me, I recently bought a pair of Vandersteen II Ce Sig 2's and everyone has said you will really notice more power in the amp, so upgrading from my Onkyo 604 should be a fairly substantial improvement. If I want to go beyond that to a 200 Wpc discrete amp for the fronts I can with the preamp outputs. The Onkyo 807 was what I was previously pondering but the 1120 seems to be a better receiver at a lower price point =) Can't wait to see what the street price will be, $700 by end of summer?
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