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Well, I'm presently running a restored 906! I couldn't install the 6 1uf caps, but with the 13 100uf caps, it's up and running with no symptoms. It's a very nice sounding unit, I've replaced my 876 with it and plan on experimenting with the network capabilities. If one is to try it on a 709, I'd first try contacting Onkyo, they've announced a new warranty fix for many of these units.
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onkyo tx-sr608

Hi I have an onkyo tx-sr608 with no sound coming from speakers when using hdmi. I feel I have the infamous hdmi board failure... Has anyone else with a sr608 tried this fix? I feel like I should go ahead and try it anyway...any suggestions?
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Thanks to all who have added to this discussion. I was in the same boat a while ago with my '705. I had started the search for its replacement when I came across this thread. I decided to give it a shot. I figured I really had nothing to lose.

In December, I ordered 25 of these (not knowing in advance how many would be needed):

http://www.parts-express.com/100uf-1...itor--020-1704

I proceeded to replace all of the questionable caps mentioned at the beginning of the thread, just in case. I cleaned the innards of dust bunnies while I was in there as well. When I brought the unit home and re-connected all of the cables, it fired up and has been perfect ever since.

I replaced caps on both sides of the board. Before starting, I placed a small dot on each cap to be replaced, removed them and installed the replacement caps.
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Thanks to all who have added to this discussion. I was in the same boat a while ago with my '705. I had started the search for its replacement when I came across this thread. I decided to give it a shot. I figured I really had nothing to lose.

In December, I ordered 25 of these (not knowing in advance how many would be needed):

http://www.parts-express.com/100uf-1...itor--020-1704

I proceeded to replace all of the questionable caps mentioned at the beginning of the thread, just in case. I cleaned the innards of dust bunnies while I was in there as well. When I brought the unit home and re-connected all of the cables, it fired up and has been perfect ever since.

I replaced caps on both sides of the board. Before starting, I placed a small dot on each cap to be replaced, removed them and installed the replacement caps.
I have a '705 with what seems like the issue everyone has here. How exactly did you remove the HDMI board from the main board and case? For the life of me I just can't seem to figure out how to remove it.
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I honestly do not remember the exact steps. I do recall having an issue removing the board and I think I just kept removing screws (even the ones that did not appear to need removing) and gently (yet forcefully!) pried the board loose. I believe there was also a bit of cursing the back panel due to the nearly zero-tolerance between it and the board. I seem to also recall a flathead screwdriver being involved with prying the board.

Just make sure to remove every screw around the board and maybe take care of a couple around the chassis. Gently move boards, cables, and chassis pieces and see where things are getting stuck. Attack that point and repeat until it is removed. Reassembly was easier than disassembly.

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Long story short:

1. Dead HDMI Board (HT-R990 Receiver) right after 2 years of ownership
2. Goodwill repair offered by Onkyo. Unit sent to a service partner in Vienna.
3. Unit got back repaired (they probably just swapped the HDMI Board for another one)
4. It worked for approx. 6 months, today the HDMI board died again!
5. DIY Repair:

There are six 100μF 16V caps on this board. Four on one side (8912, 8915, 8918, 8921) and two on the other side (8901, 3104).
For replacement I used Panasonic FM series type A Low Impedance 100μF/25V 105°C caps.

Everything works fine now. Thank you very much for this thread!

Bottom line: Even though they tried, I'm done with this brand.
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Fellow Onkyo'ers....

I have a nr5007 that was sent in because of the hdmi problems. Got the receiver back about 93 or so days ago and now today, I'm starting to lose video for a second or two but not audio.

This is different than the original problem, and it's getting annoying now. Originally, I had the lost network card symptom, but this time it's different. Does it sound like cap problem?

Thanks in advanced.
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Yes, according to your description it does sound like the cap problem. Is your unit still covered by warranty?
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Hello.

This tutorial has helped me to repair the 1080p defect (not pass trough 1080p, when active) with changing all 100µf caps.

But now no sound is output to the TV (via HDMI).
It "croaks" only. Irregular pulse forming rushing. Whether PCM or AC3.
But the sound from the AV receiver to the speakers is okay.

Is there also a solution for this problem?


Thanks,
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jon S

the 876/906 uses the HQV video processor... the HDMI board is a LOT more complex and expensive compared to the other models. I have asked if anyone has done any mods to see if they got it working but no response/luck.... guess it's because not many of the 876/906s were sold compared to the cheaper models...


After doing tons of research, I just managed to SUCCESSFULLY repair my TX-SR876 HDMI issues by applying the method and techniques discussed in this thread. I learned of the success people had repairing the 606 by replacing the 100uf caps, which appeared to be identical to the ones utilized on the 876 board. However, I could not find an example where someone had actually tried it on their 876. I figured I had nothing to lose by trying, since the HDMI inputs were all but useless. I had to wait 30 minutes before the receiver would recognize an HDMI signal. Most of the time i simply received a "NO SIGNAL" message.

There are 13 of the same 100uf 4V caps on the 876 HDMI board. 5 on the top and 8 on the bottom side.





I replaced each of the 100uf 4V capacitors with high-temp 100uF 16V caps I purchased from parts express.
Just wanted to confirm this repair worked for me, so a shout out to Scottie2 and CZtheDay, and audio4life who gave instructions of detaching the HDMI board from those pesky teo tabbed connectors. I noticed there was some leakage/corrosion on the underside capacitors, but not the top ones directly next to the HDMI ports. If your in a hurry, or on a super tight budget, might want to try just doing the 8 bottom side 100uf ones. When bending the new capacitors so they sat parallel to the HDMI board, I had one solder joint break! Be careful when bending the leads. If it goes bad again I will debate replacing all the HDMI board caps, or retire it to power amp duties and buy a cheap preamp
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I just wanted to thank CZ_the_DAY, Scottie2, Spldart, and everyone else who contributed to the HDMI board capacitor repair.

My 6 year old TX-SR876 died a few weeks ago after a power outage. When the power came on, I had lost my sound and the picture was bad, as if it was losing its sync.

I found this thread, read and read and reread it, then bought the leaded 105C (high temp) 100uF caps and replaced the smds with them. It was actually easier than I thought it would be, and it took me less than an hour to replace them. I also installed a slimline 12v fan to the inside rear of the chassis, soldering its wires to the power terminals on the board with an inline plug for easy removal. It runs VERY quiet, and just gently moves the air near the HDMI and other boards in the rear of the unit. Should be enough, and certainly better than no fan at all.

To say I was astonished with the results would be an understatement. It now works like the day I bought it! And for less than $4 in parts!

I only replaced the 100uF caps, not any others, nor did I add any to the regulators. Mine start with "BA", and I read somewhere that these are okay without the additional caps. Anyway, I figured I could always add them if things weren't perfect.

An electronics engineer friend of mine said caps, over time and/or in a hot environment, can dry out. Then, one day you'll turn it on and it will fail. Onkyo really needs a small, quiet fan in the rear of the unit for the backplane daughter boards, as well as high temp caps.

Thanks again to everyone who contributed. Even though this thread is 4 years old, it is still pertinent.

Doug
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Onkyo tx-nr 906

Hello everybody !


Yesterday i purchased an onkyo 906 with a no sound problem , sometimes its working and when its turned on for a while it stops the sound.
I bought this onkyo because i already fixed an tx nr 509 and an onkyo integra 40.1
Thinking it had the same dts chip problem like the 2 above i opened the 906 and found an slightly different inside


So my question is ,could this also be traced back to the caps and is this the first thing to replace ? or should i look for something else.


I havent had the time to put the onkyo to work en connect the cables and speakers downstairs on my complete set . i tested just with an ps3 and small tv on hdmi and worked fine also the sound worked fine , so basicly before i am going to do anything i am asking here if someone encountered the same problem or does anyone can help me out with this in the start


Thanks already !
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It might be in the early stages of HDMI failure, but it could also be the DTS chip thing. I was given a 906 that wasn't working, and with the cap fix it's running fine 2 months later with daily use. If you are handy with a soldering iron, and it sounds like you are, the parts are so cheap it wouldn't hurt to try. I'd recommend doing the second cap fix as well, where you also solder a cap across 6(?) regulators. Let us know what you decide.
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Ok i am going to replace the caps for sure !and i will let you know if everything works fine again.
The dts chip i couldnt find on the top hdmi board . so maybe its on the downside or maybe it isnt there at all . im soon going to start on the 906 so hopefully its gonna work again . thanks for the fast reaction !!
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Sure thing, once you get it running you'll be impressed with the amp section of the 906, that toroidal power supply is really dynamic!
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I have similar problem as you with my 905, no picture on HDMI inputs, sometimes is only when is cold, but after working when little temp will go up then no picture black screen or colorful crashes bars, sound work fine, but also stop work ethernet and USB port, you also think this is cause by faulty HDMI board ?

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I have similar problem as you with my 905, no picture on HDMI inputs, sometimes is only when is cold, but after working when little temp will go up then no picture black screen or colorful crashes bars, sound work fine, but also stop work ethernet and USB port, you also think this is cause by faulty HDMI board ?
Absolutely it is but it's not impossible that some firmwares have become corrupted in the process. First thing to do is replace all the 100uf/16v caps with know good ones and see where you are then.

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Sorry I must correct my previous post about my TX-NR905 where I wrote about problem with no picture on HDMI inputs or colorful crashes bars. I checked this propely and this was cause by HDMI handshake problem. When I turn my devices in right order problem do not exists, picture and sound work perfect from any input.

I have problem only with my Ethernet and USB port which do not work anymore. I tried Factory reset and nothing helped.
Onkyo Integra DTR 9.9 NET/USB iRADIO Startup Problem
But maybe I will not write here because this theard is for other models.

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Hello i fixed the problem with now sound and hdmi switch problems ,
I changed all the caps with new ones and its playing now perfectly since.
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Hello i fixed the problem with no sound and hdmi switch problems ,
I changed all the caps with new ones and its playing now perfectly since.
no sound it was
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Onkyo HT-RC-130 Broken HDMI Board Question

My Onkyo HT-RC-130 HDMI board has broken with the same symptoms of the TX-SR576 board, can it be fixed in the same manner (replacing the capacitors)?

The board HDMI board is similar except for capacitor placement and staggered right side connectors.

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I can't find any thread tutorials for that specific kind of board, thanks in advance TX owners!
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If it's of the same generation then yes but if in doubt and you can handle a soldering iron then what have you got to lose anyway ?

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Hi folks,

I was the happy owner of a 876 until recently the HDMI issue got really annoying. I read the full thread and tried my luck with replacing the thirteen 100uF caps on the board.
Unfortunately, nothing changed except that the OSD disappeared. The receiver still takes 20-30 min of "warming up" to recognize the HDMI signals.
Has anyone a suggestion on how to proceed here? I tried Onkyo support as well, but got just a dumb reply that the cap issue would be one of the internet myths...

Any advice would be much appreciated!
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Where did you get the replacement caps from ? Many people are getting lucky with off the shelf junk from rat shack but you may have gotten a dud or two. Double-check your work for polarity. If there are any 220uf caps on the board then replace those as well. Then there's voltage regulators and eeproms...
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Low quality new caps may have high ESR (bad!!) which is why it's important to buy good quality caps like Panasonic or Nichicon.
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@Mike M artell
Thanks for the replies! Indeed I was wondering why the caps where much cheaper than the ones in the discussions (20 for 1 Euro, so only 5 cent each), but as they met the specifications (Jamicon, 105°, 100uF, 16v) I was not worried, after your explaination, I am
Now I found another shop that has both, Panasonic (Tantalum 70ct, Aluminum 16ct) and and Nichicon (Aluminum 22ct).
Which would you recommend? I will then exchange the 220uF ones as well, just to be on the safe side.
Regarding polarity, I am pretty sure I did not mess up as I took them one by one, but of course I will verify this once I have the HDMI board removed again.
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Both of my 606s have had HDMI failures. One of them was a pretty sudden - one day everything worked, the next day nothing seemed to work and the attached TV's HDMI input also failed, so probably a lightning strike. The other one was more gradual over the course of a couple of days, just in the last month.

I had one of my electrical technician co-workers do the capacitor swap for me (5 caps, as illustrated in the video posted to YouTube, using Panasonic 10V 100uF 105 deg rated). I had the repair done on the one that suddenly failed (because it was sitting idle, unused). A quick check this morning showed no improvements (but I will do a more thorough check tonight - maybe one of the other HDMI ports works, just not the one I tried).

The second 606 that seems to have the same/similar problem is actively in use (with HDMI bypassed), but since it is otherwise working fine and I don't "need" to have it switch HDMI video for the TV, and I don't "need" it to receive TrueHD or DTS-HD MA because my Oppo outputs multi-channel audio, then I will just leave things as they are, and eventually do an upgrade to a 4K receiver with Dolby Atmos or whatever next year or maybe wait until 2016.

Too bad I couldn't get one of them fixed, and maybe I'll see if my co-worker wants to give the other one a try, but I am hesitant, since the attempted repair could always make things worse. So first I need to see if the "repaired-but-not-really" 606 will swap out for the one currently in operation. If so, I will try another repair.

Also too bad that I now have a sour taste in my mouth with Onkyo (all three receivers failed over HDMI issues!), so I will probably switch to Denon or Yamaha for my next purchase.

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Indeed, I was also browsing through the Denon and Yamaha catalogues, but not yet willing to give up on the very nice sounding Onkyo!
In particular as I am not really convinced that the other manufactures don't have similar problems...
Actually, as I enjoy the soldering (some kind of meditation), I have ordered a large variety of Panasonic caps and will replace all on the board except for the really big ones on the right side, but maybe they will get their share as well at some point ).
Good luck with your repairs!
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Is the 606 one of the units Onkyo has extended the warranty on?
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Is the 606 one of the units Onkyo has extended the warranty on?
As it turns out, no.
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