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Well I just bought the 891 and I have it connected to my Samsung. When I turn to channel 106 on my Directv receiver I get the side-by-side image, but the TV does not automatically activate the side-by-side 3D mode. I have to manually activate side-by-side. I think this is the same issue as with the Onkyo receivers.

I don't know what the real issue is on the Onkyo receivers, but I think the Denon suffers from the same thing. Could you explain the issue a little more?

Wow. Thats what Onkyo does and I and some others have been complaining about. Interestingly, someone else has insisted that the Denon passes 3D content fine!!!

One thing different though, that I have the Panny, and you have the Sammy. One more variable to the puzzle?
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Oh no so now some are saying the Denon it does it too. Can anyone confirm that has one of the new Denon's that they are having issues with 3D Pass-Through as well.
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Well if the Denon and the Onkyo both suffer from the same thing and with two different tv models I point the finger at Directv.
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Well if the Denon and the Onkyo both suffer from the same thing and with two different tv models I point the finger at Directv.

Easy enough to confirm ... do you get the same result when you connect the DirecTV box directly to the TV?

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Please help. I just got done installing my friends surround sound. I ran all the speaker cables through the walls and a 50ft monoprice subwoofer cable through the walls before the sheet rock was installed. I used a Denon 791 receiver with a klipsch 5.1 speaker setup. I ran audyssey setup and it is not detecting a subwoofer. However if I disconnect the subwoofer rca cable from the back of the sub the sub makes a noise. Therefore the sub appears to be working. If I disconnect it from the back of the receiver there is no noise. So I'm figuring they messed the cable up somehow, or the cable is faulty, or the pre out on the receiver is faulty.

I'm going to try another cable in the next day or to just so i can eliminate the cable as a problem.

Has anyone heard of the sub pre out on these receivers being faulty ? I have a Denon and have had no problems. Thanks alot.
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Please help. I just got done installing my friends surround sound. I ran all the speaker cables through the walls and a 50ft monoprice subwoofer cable through the walls before the sheet rock was installed. I used a Denon 791 receiver with a klipsch 5.1 speaker setup. I ran audyssey setup and it is not detecting a subwoofer. However if I disconnect the subwoofer rca cable from the back of the sub the sub makes a noise. Therefore the sub appears to be working. If I disconnect it from the back of the receiver there is no noise. So I'm figuring they messed the cable up somehow, or the cable is faulty, or the pre out on the receiver is faulty.

I'm going to try another cable in the next day or to just so i can eliminate the cable as a problem.

Has anyone heard of the sub pre out on these receivers being faulty ? I have a Denon and have had no problems. Thanks alot.

Hi lilcobrar, if you have some Composite cables (yellow, red, white) laying around try using the yellow video cable as a test cable. Just move the Sub closer to the receiver to test.
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If I disconnect it from the back of the receiver there is no noise. So I'm figuring they messed the cable up somehow, or the cable is faulty, or the pre out on the receiver is faulty.

If you disconnect the cable from the 791 pre-out and rub your finger over the tip and hear nothing from the sub with it ON (not in AUTO), the cable is likely defective. Try JChin's suggestion moving the sub closer to the AVR to confirm with another RCA cable. Also make sure the volume/gain knob on the sub is at the middle or 12 o'clock position.

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Easy enough to confirm ... do you get the same result when you connect the DirecTV box directly to the TV?

Yep.
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If you disconnect the cable from the 791 pre-out and rub your finger over the tip and hear nothing from the sub with it ON (not in AUTO), the cable is likely defective. Try JChin's suggestion moving the sub closer to the AVR to confirm with another RCA cable. Also make sure the volume/gain knob on the sub is at the middle or 12 o'clock position.

Ok, I was planning on using my subwoofer cable from home to test it. What is the reason for having an auto and on switch ? Shouldn't I keep it on Auto when everything is working correctly ?
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Well if the Denon and the Onkyo both suffer from the same thing and with two different tv models I point the finger at Directv.

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Yep.

If I'm understanding you correctly, you must also manually change the TV to 3D when the HDMI is connected directly to the TV? Then you would be correct. DirecTV is NOT passing the appropriate 3D trigger to the HDTV to let it know the side-by-side is a 3D video stream. This is therefore NOT a Denon or Onkyo issue. When using DirecTV to watch 3D channel, you'll have to manually change the TV to 3D.

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Ok, I was planning on using my subwoofer cable from home to test it. What is the reason for having an auto and on switch ? Shouldn't I keep it on Auto when everything is working correctly ?

You'll want to put the sub to ON while running AUTO SETUP. Once you're comfortable with the settings, then you can return the sub to AUTO so it will only kick on when it receives a signal and then will turn off generally after 5-10 minutes without having received a signal.

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Then you would be correct. DirecTV is NOT passing the appropriate 3D trigger to the HDTV to let it know the side-by-side is a 3D video stream. This is therefore NOT a Denon or Onkyo issue. When using DirecTV to watch 3D channel, you'll have to manually change the TV to 3D.

I would not agree.
When connecting directly (Directv box->TV), 3D signals went OK. No issue. Not for any TV's.
I think the way AVR's are handling 3D signals, they may have introduced some interference (eg, OSD) and thus blocks 1/2 pins that are relevant to such info (3D type).
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Why not just call Craig to confirm for sure?

Sorry but i dont know him, he doesnt know me. Not very comfortable to do so.
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Jeez ... it's a business for pete's sake. Ah well .. guess you'll just have to wait.

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Easy enough to confirm ... do you get the same result when you connect the DirecTV box directly to the TV?

I can confirm that I get an unaltered 3D feed when plugging the Directv receiver directly into my Pana 65VT25. Using the Onkyo in the middle forces me to set the TV to side by side -- don't have to do this when a direct connection exists -- it switched to side by side automatically.

I know Craig confirmed this was NOT that case with the Denon's, which is why DUC3C's problem throws a monkey wrench inot my plans of getting the Denon instead of the Onkyo...
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I currently have a Denon AVR-3300 AV receiver, a Sony BDPS550 Blu-ray player, and a Comcast Scientific Atlanta Cable/DVR box. Video from the 550 is connected to the TV via an HDMI cable, and audio is connected to the Denon via the 6 channel analog audio inputs. Video from the Comcast box is connected to the TV via a component cable and audio is connected to the Denon thru a digital optical cable. My TV is only capable of displaying 1080i. I am considering upgrading my receiver to the AVR-2311CI. The 550 and Comcast box would now be connected thru the 2311 to the TV via HDMI cables. The 2311 probably has better DAC's than the 550. What other improvements would I see? Thanks in advance.

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The biggest improvement would be the addition of Audyssey MultEQ. Cable boxes often have HDMI "handshake" issues with HDMI repeaters (ie AVRs) so you could very well end up keeping the same cable setup from the Comcast box, only going component/optical (both) to the AVR. Also, the 2311 doesn't have EXT IN jacks so you'd have to connect an HDMI to the AVR from the Sony, either setting the Sony to PCM or bitstream.

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I saw the 891 in stores today, the plastic front & knobs made it seem a little cheap... does anyone know if the 2311 has the same materials on the front?
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I don't know what parts you are stating look cheap to you, but the front panels on the 891 and 2311 are essentially identical, except for the model number.
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I just ordered a AVR-1911 from Highdecibals for a really good price it should be here on Tuesday i will post a small review later.

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When purchasing Denon AVRs from non-authorized vendors (ie HighDecibels), ensure you buy some kind of 3rd party warranty the vendor offers as Denon will not honor any warranty work (including firmware upgrades) without charging a fee otherwise. Electronics Expo (authorized vendor) will likely offer the 1911 at near the same price and includes Denon's 2 year warranty.

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I confirm that the Denon 2311 passes the Directv 3D signal as intended. Unlike the Onkyo 608, I DID NOT have to set my Pana 65VT25 to side by side manually -- it just worked automatically, as it should. I am keeping the 2311 and returning the Onkyo 608... Actually, am considering the 3311

What are the differences between the 3311 and 2311?? I do have some heavy 4 ohm speakers I need to drive so just curious.
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Denon AVRs are not designed to run 4 ohm speakers much beyond average volume levels. If you prefer closer to reference level volumes, you'll need the 3311 which is the lowest level model with pre-outs to add an external amp (e.g Emotiva XPA-2 or XPA-3).

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What are the differences between the 3311 and 2311??

these are the extras you get with the 3311:

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I confirm that the Denon 2311 passes the Directv 3D signal as intended. Unlike the Onkyo 608, I DID NOT have to set my Pana 65VT25 to side by side manually -- it just worked automatically, as it should. I am keeping the 2311 and returning the Onkyo 608... Actually, am considering the 3311

What are the differences between the 3311 and 2311?? I do have some heavy 4 ohm speakers I need to drive so just curious.

Have you tried a 3D Bluray player intead of the Directv box also? Thanks
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Have you tried a 3D Bluray player intead of the Directv box also? Thanks

Yup -- the 3D demo disc from the Pana 3D blu-ray player worked like a charm -- no need to set the TV manually. Great to see a receiver finally work as its supposed to. Now to decide if I should keep the 2311 or get the 3311...
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I confirm that the Denon 2311 passes the Directv 3D signal as intended. Unlike the Onkyo 608, I DID NOT have to set my Pana 65VT25 to side by side manually -- it just worked automatically, as it should. I am keeping the 2311 and returning the Onkyo 608... Actually, am considering the 3311

What are the differences between the 3311 and 2311?? I do have some heavy 4 ohm speakers I need to drive so just curious.

I am looking at the 791, I wonder if it will also pass 3D with no issue just like the 2311?
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Yup -- the 3D demo disc from the Pana 3D blu-ray player worked like a charm -- no need to set the TV manually. Great to see a receiver finally work as its supposed to. Now to decide if I should keep the 2311 or get the 3311...

where did u get the 2311?
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There is no such thing as HDMI 1.4 cables ... you simply need to buy the same Hi Speed HDMI cables that you are using now or can readily purchase at forum sponsor Monoprice.

This from the HDMI.org:

Adopters will no longer be allowed to use HDMI specification version numbers in the labeling, packaging or promotion of their HDMI-compliant products. In the case of cable products, these restrictions are effective immediately. Non-cable products must comply with the new restrictions by January 1, 2012. These new requirements are designed to simplify the product selection process for consumers, enabling them to purchase an appropriate product based on features.

All HDMI cable products must be marketed and labeled as one of five types:

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Denon has not enabled ethernet over HDMI at this point, so the same "hi speed" cables used with last year's Denon AVRs will still work with the new HDMI 1.4 AVRs.

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