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Which version of Burr Brown DACs are on this unit? Are they the same as the 3311?

They used the PCM 1791 last year, are they still using those this year?

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The 3310 was the lowest level model to use Burr Brown DACS last year and there's no reason to believe the 3311 won't be the lowest level model to use Burr Brown this year.

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It says on their product listing here:
http://usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/5011.asp

That the 2310 had Burr Brown 1791s
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Denon uses the same spec sheet for all the models. If you don't see a check mark or some comment to the right of the feature listed, then it's not part of that model. Burr Brown DACS are only used in the mid and upper level Denon AVRs beginning with the 331X. The 2310 uses the ADAU1328 DAC.

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in the manual it claims that it can play music files from a connected USB drive. See pg 27 of the 1911 manual -- it will support MP3, WMA, and AAC from USB drives formatted with FAT16 or FAT32 file structures.

Could you explain this in plain english? I have about 25 thousand mp3's on a Hewlett Packard hard drive. Would I have to do anything more to play these mp3's to the Denon reciever? I'm not sure what this FAT 16 or 32 file type means.

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Regardless of the brand of AVR, HDMI "handshake" issues often exist (video/audio problems) when connecting a cable/sat box to an HDMI repeater (ie. AVR). There are a few solutions that can be used to resolve this issue:

(1) Make sure the firmware on the cable/sat box is up to date

(2) Try the other HDMI jacks on the AVR first to see if the same issue exists

(3) HDMI reset procedure:

a. While the cable/sat box is on, disconnect HDMI cable from TV
b. Turn off power to the all devices (OFF, not in standby)
c. Disconnect HDMI cable from the cable/sat box to AVR at both ends
d. Wait 2 minutes
e. Reconnect all HDMI cables
f. Apply power to TV, then AVR, then cable/sat box

(4) Cable configuration work-around:

a. Connect a component and optical/coax cable from the cable/sat box to the AVR,

or,

b. Connect the HDMI cable from the cable/sat box to the TV and an optical/coax cable from the cable/sat box to the AVR

(5) Replace the cable/sat box with different model/mfr

(6) Sometimes adding an HDMI switch between the AVR and the TV will resolve this issue although will of course require an extra cost for the switch.

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Could you explain this in plain english? I have about 25 thousand mp3's on a Hewlett Packard hard drive. Would I have to do anything more to play these mp3's to the Denon reciever? I'm not sure what this FAT 16 or 32 file type means.

FAT16, FAT32, and NTFS are all standard file storage formats. If you used Windows XP to store the MP3's then NTFS is generally the default format used and therefore the MP3's may not play correctly. You can find out which file formatting is used on your HP by first double clicking on the MY Computer icon and then right click on the HP Hard drive icon used to store the MP3s. Arrow down to the "Properties" field and click on it. Under "File System" it should say either NTFS or FAT32.

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jd.... nice job on that HDMI problem/solutions summary. i'm emailing it to a sufferer. thanks


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Thanks. HDMI handshake issues have been asked about dozens of times in the 2010 model threads and they're likely to be be asked about often here as well depending on whether the HDMI 1.4 spec has reduced the issue. Folks often don't realize that HDMI connections are not always the best option with cable/sat boxes.

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Question to the owners of new 891/791 .
Can you please describe what new option "Video Mode : Game" does with PS3/Xbox/PC any other game device ?
Do you see any reduced lag compared to other video modes, (if other modes have any lag) ? Any picture quality difference ?
Do you still have GUI overlay with Game mode enabled for the input ?

Also if anyone is using new models with DVI input on tv, do they have any problems similar to early firmware of the last year models.

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Hi,

I'm looking to buy an AVR-791 to replace my AVR-1508. My primary issue w/ the AVR-1508 was that the HDMI didn't pass through the audio from my PS3/Xbox to the receiver so I have a all these optical cables.

If I upgrade to the AVR-791 will it solve this problem? From reading this thread, it's my understanding that it will.

Basically I'm looking to hook up my system like this:

Receiver --> HDMI Out --> TV
Xbox/PS3 --> HDMI In --> Receiver

With this configuration it should play all my audio and display the picture on my TV right?

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Yes, that is correct and in fact any Denon AVR 2010 or 2011 model can do that.

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any recommendations in the $300ish range? Don't need 7.1 but would like 4+ HDMI inputs.


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Yes, that is correct and in fact any Denon AVR 2010 or 2011 model can do that.

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The only Denon AVRs at or near that price range would be the 391 ($249 MSRP) or 591 ($349 MSRP). They will both have 4 HDMI 1.4a jacks although the 391 will likely be slightly lower wattage and won't be available until July. You can learn more about these models in the Official 391/591 Owner's Thread.

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One other difference between the AVR-2310 and the 2311 is the video processing chips used. The 2310 uses Anchor Bay's ABT2010 chip, which has been around for a few years. The 2311 uses the ABT2015 chip, which was just released this year. There is a good comparison of the chips offered by Anchor Bay, but AVS won't let me post a link yet because I'm such a newbie.

The comparison table doesn't reveal many differences between the 2010 and the 2015, but if you check out their individual pages, it's clear that the 2015 has more features.

The problem is that Denon doesn't come right out and announce the specific features they have or haven't enabled, so it shouldn't be assumed that the AVR-2311 has all the features that the 2015 offers. In fact, at this point, I've had a hard time finding the differences in the video processing offered by the AVR-2310's ABT2010 and the AVR-2311's ABT2015.

If anyone happens to see an advantage in the 2311 over the 2310 in the context of video processing, I'd love to hear about it!
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the ABT-2010 and 2015 are effectively the same, there will be no practical difference in the video processing between the 2310/890 and the 2311/891.

see this post for more details: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...3#post18691213

also, we already have confirmation that the extra features to which you refer (mosquite NR, edge enhancement, etc) are not enabled again this year. It's basically just a deinterlacer/scaler on the Denon AVR's. Not that it's not good at what it does!! Just that you don't get the full flexibility like you would in a true VP implementation.

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The 2311 uses the ABT2015 chip, which was just released this year. There is a good comparison of the chips offered by Anchor Bay

I could not find any info about ABT2015 on Anchor bay website!?
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Guys, is there a real big difference between the 2311 and 3311 receivers? I want something for my media room. Do not have a multi-zone system or anything and not sure if 3310 offers some future-proofing or not. Difference is $300, right. 2311 seems to be all that I need right now...but still wanted to ask u guys...
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Fairly significant in fact, including Audyssey DSX (height or wide speakers) and Audyssey MultEQ XT as well as networking capability. The upgrade to MultEQ XT will improve the audio fidelity of your speakers due to more advanced filters being used then the standard MultEQ version used in the 2311. As far as future proofing, having better components and the ability to network allows Denon to provide both upgrades and fixes whereas with the 2311, only firmware fixes can be provided. However, if don't need these extra features, then the 2311 would be a good choice for sure.

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I'm not going to post the link because I think that is against AVSforum rules about sales, but Amazon now have the AVR-1911 and the AVR-2311ci available for Preorder. This is the first retailer that I can find that has a preorder (not even Crutchfield).
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The AVR 891 and AVR 2311 are "twin" models. The 2311, being the "CI" model, adds a few features; the differences between the two (beyond cosmetics) are:

(1) The AVR 2311 adds HD radio

(2) The AVR 2311 has Zone 2 pre-outs (so you are not required to use the "amp assign" to power Zone 2). This means that, with the additional of an external 2-channel amp, the 2311 can run 7.1 + Zone 2 (whereas the 891 can only do 5.1 + Zone 2).

(3) The AVR 2311 has expanded Zone 2 setup options, including bass/treble controls and optional HPF (high-pass filter) for Zone 2 speakers, the ability to switch Zone 2 between stereo and mono, and variable volume output for the Zone 2 pre-outs

(4) The AVR 2311 has a "Room-to-room" remote control jack so you can hard-wire an infrared remote extender for your 2nd zone

(5) The AVR 2311 has the "CI" features: RS-232 control port, 12V trigger output

So I am trying to figure out which one to buy. Initially I was going to go with the 2311, but if the 891 is virtually the same.

I am not an expert in audio...I have a 5.1 speaker setup and just gonig to upgrade my receiver at this point. If I have the HD radio does that require a subscription (ala XM) so if I didn't want a subscription this feature does me no good?

I don't know what 2, 3, and 5 are (4 seems obvious, and I don't need that).

Suggestions?

Also what do you think the price difference will be? If the price difference is only $100 I would go for the 2311...if it's 300-400 I would go for the 891 (pending someone convincing me that I really should go for the 2311 for some reason).

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One other difference between the AVR-2310 and the 2311 is the video processing chips used. The 2310 uses Anchor Bay's ABT2010 chip, which has been around for a few years. The 2311 uses the ABT2015 chip, which was just released this year. There is a good comparison of the chips offered by Anchor Bay, but AVS won't let me post a link yet because I'm such a newbie.

The comparison table doesn't reveal many differences between the 2010 and the 2015, but if you check out their individual pages, it's clear that the 2015 has more features.

The problem is that Denon doesn't come right out and announce the specific features they have or haven't enabled, so it shouldn't be assumed that the AVR-2311 has all the features that the 2015 offers. In fact, at this point, I've had a hard time finding the differences in the video processing offered by the AVR-2310's ABT2010 and the AVR-2311's ABT2015.

If anyone happens to see an advantage in the 2311 over the 2310 in the context of video processing, I'd love to hear about it!

Again, the abt 2010/20-15 are the same chip, with the 2015 adding keystoning and 12bit/xvycc support
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furby076 -

1. HD Radio does not require a subscription although you do need to be near radio stations that are broadcasting in digital otherwise the signal will revert to analog.

2. If you will NEVER use a 7.1 setup the the Zone 2 pre-outs are not required as they allow you to run speakers to another room while using a 7.1 setup in your main room. If you're only using a 5.1 setup, then you can use the on board rear surround speaker posts for Zone 2 if you should ever want to set up speakers in another room.

3. If you won't be placing speakers in another room, then you don't need to worry about any Zone 2 features.

5. The CI models include a RS-232 jack which in addition to allowing custom installers to program the AVR also allow you the owner to install any firmware updates that are provided by Denon rather than having to ship it to a repair center (to date the 2310 has had 3 firmware updates). If you've got a local Denon Authorized repair center nearby (ie so it won't cost you for shipping charges) then this feature is not necessary.

Although possible, it's unlikely the price difference would be greater than the MSRP $100 difference as for the most part they are identical.

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Thanks for the info. It seems for $100 more I will get HD radio (I live in center city philadelphia so I think I would be close enough to get that) plus I can do firmware updates if needed without shipping out.

Anyone know when the 2311 will be released? I see 891 available on google, but nothing for 2311.
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It has a June release date so likely anytime now .. keep checking the Denon authorized e-tailers (Electronics Expo, 6Ave, J&R, etc.) as that's where your best buys will likely be had. FYI - a decent HD radio would normally cost about $75 anyway so if you want the HD radio feature, the 2311 is definitely the better buy (especially for firmware updates).

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I will most likely go that route. I figure it's a dumb question, but I can still use my Bose Acoustimass 5.1 system with this yes? The speakers are still great, just embedded into the walls so removing them would require some extra construction (not worth it at this point).
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As long as the speakers are designed to run from a regular AVR as my understanding is that some Bose speakers are designed to run specifically from the Bose base only.

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I'm about to buy my first Denon receiver, and unsure if to go with a 1910 or the new 1911. I have gone through the differences, noticed a lot of analog inputs were stripped on the 11 which doesn't bother me, and also noticed the addition of a USB port. That sounds nice for using with an iPod, but I plan to stream music via HDMI using a networked media tank, so I guess this feature would be useless then.

Any recommendations for one or the other?
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If you don't need the extra features offered on the 1911, then stick with the 1910 and save yourself some money. In the states, there's currently a $200 difference between the two. The 1911 has the same power supply and same Audyssey MultEQ so audio fidelity will be the same.

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As long as the speakers are designed to run from a regular AVR as my understanding is that some Bose speakers are designed to run specifically from the Bose base only.

The Bose Acoustimass 10 is specifically designed to work with a stand alone receiver, the speakers do all work and connect thru the base module (subwoofer) and then out to the receiver. I have such a system set up at work for demonstrations, though not on a Denon receiver :-(

The other Bose systems are dependent on their own head units.

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