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A friend of mine just picked up a 791 from our local Best Buy. It was causing me no small amount of grief in that it seems to be very picky about PCM coming into the HDMI ports. Some of the equipment we hooked up worked fine, others just wouldn't work regardless of what we tried. Swapping out HDMI cables did not affect the results below.

Toshiba HD-A1 - Worked
Toshiba HD-A20 - Video OK, no audio detected
ACRyan Playon!HD - Worked
XBMC with Nvidia ION - Video OK, no audio detected
Playstation 3 - Worked

All devices were tried with both Auto and fixed PCM modes where available. Being mainly a Yamaha guy I went through the book and did some Google/AVS searches but I failed to find any possible solution. Any thoughts from the Denon gurus?
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Kinda disappointed on the 2311, no passive in or pre outs, the amp looks so empty on the back, not that it matters, but the passive in imo is a big drawback, as for future going with an external amp with the preouts. The choice is clear for me now, 2310 seems to offer what i need. Thanks jdsmoothie/batpig for all your efforts and answers.
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Abula -

Keep in mind that although the 2310 offers the EXT IN jacks, you must upgrade to the 3310/3311 to get a full set of pre-outs.

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I've been perusing the manual for the 791 and it looks like it has pretty much everything I need, but I've yet to determine if it allows for passing through HDMI video. It doesn't explicitly say that it does this in anywhere in the manual that I can find. Can any of you owners (or Denon experts) confirm this?


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If you're referring to passing HDMI audio/video while the AVR is in Standby, then it does indeed (as do all these Denon AVRs) under the HDMI Control setting (p. 55) and HDMI Standby Source setting. If you're referring to passing through HDMI video "untouched" (e.g from Blu-Ray player) it can do that as well by simply turning the i/p Scaler (p. 45) setting to OFF.

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If you're referring to passing HDMI audio/video while the AVR is in Standby, then it does indeed (as do all these Denon AVRs) under the HDMI Control setting (p. 55) and HDMI Standby Source setting. If you're referring to passing through HDMI video "untouched" (e.g from Blu-Ray player) it can do that as well by simply turning the i/p Scaler (p. 45) setting to OFF.

Thanks for that info. I am more interested in not having my HDMI sources scaled while the receiver is in-use - to fight video processing delay. If I'm reading the manual correctly, I can control the i/p setting for each source, correct?


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Abula -

Keep in mind that although the 2310 offers the EXT IN jacks, you must upgrade to the 3310/3311 to get a full set of pre-outs.

i thought by this pic that says pre out, it had. What does those conection do then?
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Fairly significant in fact, including Audyssey DSX (height or wide speakers) and Audyssey MultEQ XT as well as networking capability. The upgrade to MultEQ XT will improve the audio fidelity of your speakers due to more advanced filters being used then the standard MultEQ version used in the 2311. As far as future proofing, having better components and the ability to network allows Denon to provide both upgrades and fixes whereas with the 2311, only firmware fixes can be provided. However, if don't need these extra features, then the 2311 would be a good choice for sure.

Thanks for the reply jdsmoothie. However what are your thoughts on 2010 or earlier models. Would it make sense to get the 2010 models or wait for the price drop on the earlier models. Any big issues for which I should surely look into the 2010 models?
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Hi,

I've had my Denon AVR-2807 for a number of years now (since shortly after it was released), thanks to guidance from this board. I wouldn't be looking for a new receiver except for the fact that my video (HDMI or Component Video to my 1080i Sony TV) receiver has started dropping out more and more. At first I thought it was the cable, but now I'm pretty well convinced that it is not. I'd like to replace it with something that will allow me to update my other components at a future date, so I'm not looking to simply match the units I have now. I presently only have a 1080i TV, but eventually would like to get 1080p (I doubt I'll get 3D, but who knows).

My current components are:
TV - Sony TV (KF-50WE610)
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Infinity bookshelf front & center speakers. Polk bookshelf rear. Velodyne 12" subwoofer

PS3, Tivo, and Wii are connected to my gigabit LAN, including an Ubuntu Server running TwonkeyMedia server and Slim Server, and a Mac running NullRiver Media Server.

I'm looking at this Denon unit (791) or the Pioneer VSX-1020K at this point. I'm really, really confused. I need to move quickly as the TV is pretty much unusable at present.

Please help!! Any assistance you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

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i thought by this pic that says pre out, it had. What does those conection do then?

look at the power plug -- that is the EU model. USA / north american 2310's do NOT have pre-outs.

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I'm looking at this Denon unit (791) or the Pioneer VSX-1020K at this point. I'm really, really confused. I need to move quickly as the TV is pretty much unusable at present.

Please help!! Any assistance you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

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Ed - I didn't see a question hard to help when we don't know what the issue/confusion is!

Anyway, either unit (791 or Pio 1020) will be a step down in power/quality from your AVR 2807, which as you know was a $1200 receiver. However, you may not notice the drop-off depending on how loud you like to listen... at moderate volume the newer, lower-end units like the 791 will actually sound BETTER thanks to Dynamic EQ / Volume. On the other hand, if you are an "audiophile" type who likes to crank the movies loud in a big room, or do critical music listening, you will probably miss the higher-end "audiophile street cred" of the much better built 2807 model.

Depending on your thoughts on the above, if you don't care about 3D you may actually be better served getting a discount on a higher-end model that is on closeout pricing, like the AVR 990/3310...

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Thanks batpig.

I guess the question was regarding which of those two units might be better for me. We rarely listen to things at higher volume levels, and when we do, it is still probably not what most of you would consider high volume

I'm mostly concerned about compatibility at this point along with reliability and ease of use (for the wife). The units both seem to have enough inputs for what I need at this point - which was a major reason I went with the 2807 when I did - inputs rather than pure power. I note that the Pioneer does have more inputs though I'm not sure what I'll need them for. I'd also like to understand more what the Pioneer's Ethernet Port is intended for.

We do have a Logitech Harmony 800 which works well to keep things simple for my wife, although I'm hoping that the Tivo remote (which we both still use in preference to the Harmony for watching TV) will be able to control the volume on either of these units. That's actually a somewhat important feature, though I suppose I could always order a new Tivo remote that would have that compatibility. Is there any way to find that out in advance??

Thanks again for your reply.

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Hi guys,

I've ordered the B&W MT-25 speaker package. Now I'm deciding between 1911 and 2311 AV amps. The prices are 499 for 1911 and 890 for the 2311 model. I'm wondering if an extra 400 justifies the 2311 model?
I'll have a PS3 and PC connected to it. Will use it mostly for watching movies.
For now I'm slightly more convinced of buying the 1911 and I can later switch to a better model...or is the sound difference so big that I should consider the 2311?
Thanks for your answers.

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every year we have the question of whether to get the new model or the higher-end model from last year on closeout pricing....

basically, the only new features worth noting are (1) HDMI 1.4 with 3D / ARC support and (2) the USB input on the front that is compatible with direct ipod connection.

in all other respects, the 3310/990 from last year should be superior. You get way more legacy inputs, pre-outs for all channels, DSX (optional with the $100 upgrade), networking... it's just a more flexible, better equipped model, more "room to grow".

Along these Lines...it looks like I'll opt for another 2310 CI as I need HDMI to HDMI video conversion (1080 24p -> 1080 60p), but do to my IR Repeater remote situation...I have been looking hard at a Pioneer VSX-920-K. Do you have an opinion either way?

Both receivers have an ABT video scaler, both have a full color gui, and both should have different IR remote codes! Also the Pioneer (at the time of this post), is $100 cheaper than the 2310 CI (new or used).

EDIT: I'm not so sure the Pioneer can do 1080 24p --> 1080 60p after looking at the specs of the 1120k which specifically mentions 24 fps
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For now I'm slightly more convinced of buying the 1911 and I can later switch to a better model...or is the sound difference so big that I should consider the 2311?

there is no sound difference! as we always say, the only reason to step up one level is if you want the extra features.

the 2311 offers more 2 more HDMI inputs, many more legacy inputs, dual subwoofer outputs, better multizone flexibility, a better video processor, and GUI / volume graphics that can overlay on top of your video sources (the 1911 just has a basic black/white OSD that cannot overlay).

only buy the 2311 vs the 1911 if those extra features sound like they are worth the money to YOU.

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This may be an odd question, but with the 891, I know you can have the volume show on your monitor, but can you have it not show? I prefer the wife to not see my slowly increasing the volume during movies

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yes, you can turn off the volume display

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Does anyone know if the avr-2311ci has an anchor bay chip for upscaling?
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have you read the thread? you only would have needed to make it to page 2: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post18715827

answer is YES, the AVR 2311/891 uses the ABT-2015 chip.

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I currently have a harman kardon avr 635, rated at 75 Watt/channel. Its plenty loud for me. Do you think the Denon 791 will provide equal power when running 5.1 ?
Also, I run 4 ohm speakers. Fronts are Polk LSi15 floorstanding, center and rears are M&K bookshelves also at 4 ohm. The HK AVR 635 can play them just fine.



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Ed - I didn't see a question hard to help when we don't know what the issue/confusion is!

Anyway, either unit (791 or Pio 1020) will be a step down in power/quality from your AVR 2807, which as you know was a $1200 receiver. However, you may not notice the drop-off depending on how loud you like to listen... at moderate volume the newer, lower-end units like the 791 will actually sound BETTER thanks to Dynamic EQ / Volume. On the other hand, if you are an "audiophile" type who likes to crank the movies loud in a big room, or do critical music listening, you will probably miss the higher-end "audiophile street cred" of the much better built 2807 model.

Depending on your thoughts on the above, if you don't care about 3D you may actually be better served getting a discount on a higher-end model that is on closeout pricing, like the AVR 990/3310...

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the amps in these models cannot hold a candle to your HK 635. If you were running efficient 8-ohm speakers it would be one thing, but not for 4-ohm high end speakers.

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the amps in these models cannot hold a candle to your HK 635. If you were running efficient 8-ohm speakers it would be one thing, but not for 4-ohm high end speakers.

So quick question - what do you think is better the Denon 2311CI or the Harman Kardon AVR 2600/3600???

Starting September 10th all harman kardon 2600/3600 will include hdmi 1.4 and 3d compatibility.

EDIT: HK is also offering the upgrade to existing 2600/3600 owners in september...is the difference from the current HDMI to hdmi 1.4 and 3d compatibility only software? It's not hardware at all?
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I saw it go to page 2 and from my experience page 2 on a web forum is like page 2 on Google...lost...unless your looking for porn torrents...then you want page 15
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there is ZERO need to ever bump a Denon owner's thread, people are on these regularly AVS is not like most websites, and the owner's threads get constant traffic.

also, since the 2311CI isn't even out yet nobody's going to be able to say which is "better"

in general, receivers in a given price bracket are all excellent. Denon is good, Onkyo is good, Yamaha is good, HK is good.... Neither is going to be "better", it's just different... read the owner's threads, see what features each have and how people are enjoying them (or not!) and then make your decision. There is no objective answer to the "better" question....

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Fair enough - i will take my HK question to another thread to not clutter this one
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This might be a "no no," but where is a good source for an 891 right now? Also, are both of the component inputs on the 891 assignable or only one of them?

I'm considering either a 891 or an Onkyo 608 but I haven't been able to find a good enough source for the 891 to do a decent price comparison.

Thanks!
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...Also, are both of the component inputs on the 891 assignable or only one of them? Thanks!

Hi leftnose, yes both Component Inputs are assignable.
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With my price range in the $500-700 range, I'd much rather have the phono input and step up of the 2310 vs the hdmi 1.4 of the 1911 (and maybe even the 3310), unless I hear a compelling case for 1.4.

From what I can tell, the differences in the new 1.4 hdmi spec are:

1. 3D Over HDMI (don't care)
2. Ethernet Channel
3. Audio Return Channel (nice but meh)
4. 4k × 2k Resolution Support

Can someone elaborate on what the benefits of the ethernet channel and the 4k resolution support offer? Is it too new to know whether it lessens the handshake problems I've hear about?

Thanks in advance. . .
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