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yes the weight difference is big, everything else specwise seems to be the same. really dont know what the weight is that the 708 is missing, or the 808 gains.

The 808 only gained .6 lbs compared to it's predecessor, the 807. The 708 lost .2 lbs to the 707. The biggest loser is the 1008, down 10.8 lbs to the 1007.

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Its been a while since I've checked in this thread, but has anyone yet pointed out that the 1008 is listed as having Audyssey MultEQ-XT, not the plain MultEQ like originally thought?

http://www.onkyousa.com/model.cfm?m=...s=Receiver&p=f
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Its been a while since I've checked in this thread, but has anyone yet pointed out that the 1008 is listed as having Audyssey MultEQ-XT, not the plain MultEQ like originally thought?

http://www.onkyousa.com/model.cfm?m=...s=Receiver&p=f

Just a carry over typo from the 1007 spec page......it's been downgraded to MultEQ in the 1008.

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yes the weight difference is big, everything else specwise seems to be the same. really dont know what the weight is that the 708 is missing, or the 808 gains.



POWER, 808 rated at 135 watts per, thats 25 more than the 708, thats alot and you can hear it when you turn-up the music.
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well as far as actual rated power is concerned thats gonna be a debatable subject ^^^ let's hope it makes a difference because typically real world tests rate the actual continuous power being substantially less when all 5-7 channels are being used...but I would have to assume even then that the 808 should have the edge.....

on another note...just got an email telling me my 808 from abt has been shipped...delivery date planned of 7/6..so tuesday...so for those of you anticipating that...looks like we aren't far behind the 708s after all
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well as far as actual rated power is concerned thats gonna be a debatable subject ^^^ let's hope it makes a difference because typically real world tests rate the actual continuous power being substantially less when all 5-7 channels are being used...but I would have to assume even then that the 808 should have the edge.....

on another note...just got an email telling me my 808 from abt has been shipped...delivery date planned of 7/6..so tuesday...so for those of you anticipating that...looks like we aren't far behind the 708s after all

debatable More clean power is always better, how could it not be.
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The 808 only gained .6 lbs compared to it's predecessor, the 807. The 708 lost .2 lbs to the 707. The biggest loser is the 1008, down 10.8 lbs to the 1007.

still dunno whats the weight diff for 807 to 707 attributed to. i think the specs were similar bet. both just as they are bet. 808 to 807.
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POWER, 808 rated at 135 watts per, thats 25 more than the 708, thats alot and you can hear it when you turn-up the music.

percentage wise, weight diff of 27lbs vs 40lbs is what, 7lbs over in making it being a 50% diff if it was 20 vs 40. but the wattage diff bet 135 vs. 110 is not the same diff. (also 25more watts is 'alot' do you really feel so?) sure, case is bigger for the 808 and that is some weight. maybe that's all it is, the watts, but wondering if there is a sound difference, not meaning max loudness. paying over100$ more over the 708 for +25watts.
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Looks like the 708 and 808 are in stock and shipping from the egg and crutchfield. I was looking at the 608 originally, but am interested in the front usb and the multieq and having the network connectivity is always nice. However, I have a ps3 slim that I would be streaming through for the most part. So, looking at this objectively, and keep in mind that I am a total noob, I am seeing the only differences between the two are 10 watts, phono input, s-video, front usb, ethernet and the Audyssey 2EQ. Is the Audyssey 2EQ that good? Worth the extra $350? I'll be powering Def Tech Procinema 800 setup.
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yes the weight difference is big, everything else specwise seems to be the same. really dont know what the weight is that the 708 is missing, or the 808 gains.

The weight difference is mainly in power supply. Digital chips weigh little. Bottom line - Sound is not just reading specs but hearing from ears.

807 has deeper and cleaner sound stage, tighter base and better dynamics than 707.

When on sale, the difference in sound may worth the difference in price.
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still dunno whats the weight diff for 807 to 707 attributed to. i think the specs were similar bet. both just as they are bet. 808 to 807.

Heavier power supply components.

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The weight difference is mainly in power supply. Digital chips weigh little. Bottom line - Sound is not just reading specs but hearing from ears.

807 has deeper and cleaner sound stage, tighter base and better dynamics than 707.

When on sale, the difference in sound may worth the difference in price.

yep, i have not heard either of last yrs 807 and 707, and sound was the only thing i was wondering/hoping? there'd be a difference, else why the weight and price diff. So I take it you've listened to both and speak of the cleaner sound stage, base, and dynamics differences??

interesting, wish i could hear side by side the 807 and the 707, but my real interest has been the 808 vs. 708, both new models... 40lbs vs 27lbs respectively... i guess as both these are the 2010 models of the 807 and 707, then the diff. between both are about the cleaner soundstage, tighter base, and better dynamics as well.
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Most Best Buy Maglonia has 3007, 807 and 707 side by side. Go out, spend some time and give them a try. I usually do two-channel music for easy comparison.
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The 808 only gained .6 lbs compared to it's predecessor, the 807. The 708 lost .2 lbs to the 707. The biggest loser is the 1008, down 10.8 lbs to the 1007.

Its just that the 708 is the new entry on the network side of onkyo where as the 807 was the entry level network receiver last year..But back to my point in the previous post, the 1007, 708, and 807 are just between 899-699 respectively, im wondering should i take advantage of a closeout on the 07's?The side by side comparisons would definitely help...In a perfect world I would have just streamed my internet radio thru PS3 or my HTPC into an 805 with an emotiva amp and call it a day...I am fearful that Onkyo gave us too much new unproven innovation (1.4a for 3d), extra HDMI ports, and took away some sound essential specs that cats in this forum know and love...I mean for crying out loud we really never gave 1.3 a chance to breathe and now we doing 3d 1.4a. Reading this forum last year on some selections you would have thought you were futureproof, well you might have been right...future proof from stingy specs!
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percentage wise, weight diff of 27lbs vs 40lbs is what, 7lbs over in making it being a 50% diff if it was 20 vs 40. but the wattage diff bet 135 vs. 110 is not the same diff. (also 25more watts is 'alot' do you really feel so?) sure, case is bigger for the 808 and that is some weight. maybe that's all it is, the watts, but wondering if there is a sound difference, not meaning max loudness. paying over100$ more over the 708 for +25watts.

Im not all that sure if we could tell the difference at 135/7ch and 110/5ch..I mean bigger "sounds" better, but if that were the case can't we just get an old 807 for the same price presently roughly? Just a thought. Im in Panama currently for the week so I didnt look at the 708 specs hard enough..but is there a trigger for an amp on the 708? If so, then the money saved could go into an amp, if so desired. Also keep in mind the speakers you are using. 110w on one brand might sound like 90 on another,and the channels being put out..One thing Ive learned is that the wattage is something I dont put a top priority on, IMHO.
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Just heard the 608, 708 and 808 today at Fry's where they set up the 808 tonight. In my quick 5 to 10 minute test, they sounded similar. The 808 did have a little bit more power ie the volume control was about 3 dB lower for about the same loudness. Luckily, all were connected to Polk's LSi25 floorstanding speakers, at 4 ohm. I have the LSi15s, so I am familiar with the sound.

All three sounded good, clean, tight. The 608 and 708 sounded extremely close, and the 808 had a bigger sound, more base, but perhaps less clean (?).

Inspite of what I have read on these forums, all of them performed fine with 4 ohm speakers even at high volumes. I couldnt hear any distortion, or clipping etc. I set them for 5 channel stereo in Music mode.

I also compared them to Denon's 791 and 891. Those two sounded identical, no difference at all ! Unfortunately, they were in a different room, with different speakers (8 ohm this time). Not sure if they were set up wrong, but they sounded just a little bit thinner than the HK 1600/2600/3600 set up in the same room. I have the HK635 currently, so I know its sound.

I am impressed by these new Onkyos. Even the 608 could play these 4 ohm speakers at fairly loud volume, at about -10dB setting, leaving enough headroom for high dynamic range peaks.



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I just received my 708 yesterday and the network is pretty bad.

I can get it work work if I switch to the network input, unlug the network, then plug it in within a few seconds after switching.

Otherwise, it just blinks.

I was able to stream some CD's from my server and it sounded great.

I do not know if this is a lemon or it just has software bugs.

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They have it for 699.99 with free shipping. Iam still on the fence, however good price if you did not pre-order one.
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I also compared them to Denon's 791 and 891. Those two sounded identical, no difference at all ! Unfortunately, they were in a different room, with different speakers (8 ohm this time). Not sure if they were set up wrong, but they sounded just a little bit thinner than the HK 1600/2600/3600 set up in the same room. I have the HK635 currently, so I know its sound.

I am impressed by these new Onkyos. Even the 608 could play these 4 ohm speakers at fairly loud volume, at about -10dB setting, leaving enough headroom for high dynamic range peaks.

I heard and felt the same way, Denon sounds lighter and thinner than the Onkyos, I feel the onkyo's amps are abit better to my tasts than most AVRs in this mid price range.
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well as far as actual rated power is concerned thats gonna be a debatable subject ^^^ let's hope it makes a difference because typically real world tests rate the actual continuous power being substantially less when all 5-7 channels are being used...but I would have to assume even then that the 808 should have the edge.....

on another note...just got an email telling me my 808 from abt has been shipped...delivery date planned of 7/6..so tuesday...so for those of you anticipating that...looks like we aren't far behind the 708s after all

Let me know what you think of 808 when it comes in. Mine is still on order from ABT. Hopefully it will ship this next week. I sold my 804 over 2 months ago originally to purchase the 608, but once I heard the 808 was coming out I decided to wait. It has been a long wait!

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The cost cutting bandits hit Onkyo's line again...

gone during the transition from 1007 to 1008
1. MultEQ XT to standard MultEQ
2. THX Ultra2Plus to Select2Plus

Thanks Onkyo but I will contine to hold onto my trusted 805.

Agreed! My 805 is holding up well over the years. Never had an issue. Best bang for your buck, back in the day.
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Let me know what you think of 808 when it comes in. Mine is still on order from ABT. Hopefully it will ship this next week. I sold my 804 over 2 months ago originally to purchase the 608, but once I heard the 808 was coming out I decided to wait. It has been a long wait!

I'm a little anxious..unfortunately I have to wait until Thursday/Friday to set it up at my condo where I'm at during school. The unit is being shipped to my parents house. I will have a decent comparison though as I owned the 805 and 806...I liked the 805 more than the 806, but the lag was unacceptable for the gaming systems. Then theres the problem with the blue dots on the 806...I dunno why I'm even buying onkyos anymore since my yamaha had no problem...but I've got my fingers crossed this year! I'm sure there will be a few previews before I get mine set up, but I'll make sure to give my input anyway if the others can't give the same direct comparison I can.
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I'm a little anxious..unfortunately I have to wait until Thursday/Friday to set it up at my condo where I'm at during school. The unit is being shipped to my parents house. I will have a decent comparison though as I owned the 805 and 806...I liked the 805 more than the 806, but the lag was unacceptable for the gaming systems. Then theres the problem with the blue dots on the 806...I dunno why I'm even buying onkyos anymore since my yamaha had no problem...but I've got my fingers crossed this year! I'm sure there will be a few previews before I get mine set up, but I'll make sure to give my input anyway if the others can't give the same direct comparison I can.

yeah, whats the rush on your part to get the onkyo's coming out, dont get me wrong, i'm sure onkyo loves you, but unless you dont have a avr right now, and i know, the preorder price from some these vendors is gone once they start stocking the item, but if you wait until the winter of this yr, there will be evaluative info out there about these avrs, and holiday time the avrs can get down to these preorder prices.
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yeah, whats the rush on your part to get the onkyo's coming out, dont get me wrong, i'm sure onkyo loves you, but unless you dont have a avr right now, and i know, the preorder price from some these vendors is gone once they start stocking the item, but if you wait until the winter of this yr, there will be evaluative info out there about these avrs, and holiday time the avrs can get down to these preorder prices.

I returned the 805 for full retail back a few years ago...bought the 806 refurbished on sale from onkyo...and was happy enough with it until I started getting the blue dots a few months ago...got someone who doesn't use HDMI who wouldn't mind to buy it off of me...so leaves me where I am now....I suppose the early adopter bug bites me a bit too often as well..which is why I also have a nice Xbox 360 S that will be hooked up to it as well I know sensibly it would be better to compare and wait, but those dots are driving me insane..I can't hold out any longer!
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Hi All,

Sorry if this has been addressed before but can anyone please tell me which of these new receivers allows for:

1) Simultaneous running of Audyssey DSX in BOTH "Wide" & "Height" modes?

2) Simultaneous running of Audyssey DSX "Wide" AND Dolby Pro-Logic IIz "Height" modes? (Is it possible to do this since the receivers offer both formats & this way one can utilise both Height & Wide channels in a different way than with both running under DSX or if the receivers do not offer the option above)

3) User switching between Audyssey "Height" & Dolby Pro-Logic IIz "Height" modes so one can compare the two or be able to select between the two depending on material & preferences at the time?

4) As there will be (I presume) only one set of speaker terminals for the L&R "Height" Channels, can one connect two sets of speaker cables (one for DSX Height & the other for DPLIIz Height) to these terminals?

I ask as the two formats will most probably require placing of the Height speakers in two different locations plus I would rather not have to get up and go to the back of the receiver & disconnect/reconnect cables each time I wish to switch between formats - that would be a real pain!

Many Thanks,

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ABT Still has them on preorder but for a good price. I just ordered at 708. You need to call as the website doesn't list it.
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I heard and felt the same way, Denon sounds lighter and thinner than the Onkyos, I feel the onkyo's amps are abit better to my tasts than most AVRs in this mid price range.

"Lighter and thinner" ummmmm.sure. Are we talking beer or av receivers?
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Hi All,

Sorry if this has been addressed before but can anyone please tell me which of these new receivers allows for:

1) Simultaneous running of Audyssey DSX in BOTH "Wide" & "Height" modes?

2) Simultaneous running of Audyssey DSX "Wide" AND Dolby Pro-Logic IIz "Height" modes? (Is it possible to do this since the receivers offer both formats & this way one can utilise both Height & Wide channels in a different way than with both running under DSX or if the receivers do not offer the option above)

3) User switching between Audyssey "Height" & Dolby Pro-Logic IIz "Height" modes so one can compare the two or be able to select between the two depending on material & preferences at the time?

4) As there will be (I presume) only one set of speaker terminals for the L&R "Height" Channels, can one connect two sets of speaker cables (one for DSX Height & the other for DPLIIz Height) to these terminals?

I ask as the two formats will most probably require placing of the Height speakers in two different locations plus I would rather not have to get up and go to the back of the receiver & disconnect/reconnect cables each time I wish to switch between formats - that would be a real pain!

Many Thanks,

Bazzy!

The 708 has 11 speaker connections, as well as two jacks for sub-woofers. Only 7 of the 11 speakers can be powered at the same time, but all of the configurations you're asking about can be set up at once. Zone 2 can't be used if you do this, as it needs to use the Front Wide connections.
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The 708 has 11 speaker connections, as well as two jacks for sub-woofers. Only 7 of the 11 speakers can be powered at the same time, but all of the configurations you're asking about can be set up at once. Zone 2 can't be used if you do this, as it needs to use the Front Wide connections.


Hi!

Many thanks for the reply! I am very novice at these things so please take that into account & forgive any ignorance! It's just that I wish to set things up as best and future proofed as I can the first time as changing things afterwards will pose real problems & nightmares!

I have figured that I will indeed need to utilise 11 Channels:- L/C/R (3), Rear Surrounds (2), DSX Wides (2), DSX Heights (2) & DPLIIz (2) = 11. If I get the 708 which allows powering of only 7 speakers, can I connect an external power amp(s) for the 4 remaining channels which will need powering and get everything to work that way?

May I ask, is it definitely possible to run DSX Wides & DPLIIz Heights at the same time? If so, I would benefit by being able to run both Height & Wide Channels at the same time utilising both formats. Also, if I do have to set up for two different sets of Height speakers fro each format, can I run them both by connecting the DSX & PLIIz cables together for each channel together and then connect them to the dedicated L&R Height Channel on the back of the AV Receiver? (so that would mean 2 cables in each of the L&R Height Channel Amp Terminals).

Ideally, I would like a single Receiver that will allow connection for for both DSX Wides AND Heights PLUS DPLIIz Heights but the choice seems very limited and the very few currently available are very high end models running into many thousands$$!

Many Thanks,

Bazzy!
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