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2. The 3311CI can only operate 7CH (5.1+FH/FW/SB). You must upgrade to the X4200W (7CH expandable to 9CH using 2CH amp).

Edit: Front Wide is no longer supported on the 2016 models, so the X4300H would not work for your use case.

3311CI to my knowledge is also 7 channels avr expandable to 9CH using 2CH amp. And I did use an external amp and still, I only could get either Front Wide or Front Height but not 4 at all the same time, even with an external amp. So something is odd, I even tried to set-up all that manually without surround back speakers (set to none in manual setup) but still could not get Front Wide and Front Height play at all the same time. One or other pair (FW or FH) played but not both at the same time. And on top of that SB still played !!! What gives ? How can I only play get Front Wide and Front Height at a the same time. Can I setup my system with only these 4 speakers FW and FH) only - forget all other surround. By the way I also have x4200w and I believe that it has the exact same specs as 3311CI which is (7CH expandable to 9CH using 2CH amp)

I am a bit confused here , sorry

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3311CI to my knowledge is also 7 channels avr expandable to 9CH using 2CH amp. And I did use an external amp and still, I only could get either Front Wide or Front Height but not 4 at all the same time, even with an external amp. So something is odd, I even tried to set-up all that manually without surround back speakers (set to none in manual setup) but still could not get Front Wide and Front Height play at all the same time. One or other pair (FW or FH) played but not both at the same time. And on top of that SB still played !!! What gives ? How can I only play get Front Wide and Front Height at a the same time. Can I setup my system with only these 4 speakers FW and FH) only - forget all other surround. By the way I also have x4200w and I believe that it has the exact same specs as 3311CI which is (7CH expandable to 9CH using 2CH amp)

I am a bit confused here , sorry

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The 3311CI was released in 2010 and cannot expand beyond 7CH. In fact the first successor model to the 3311CI that can expand is the 2014 X4100W.
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The 3311CI was released in 2010 and cannot expand beyond 7CH. In fact the first successor model to the 3311CI that can expand is the 2014 X4100W.
So what's advantage of adding external amp to 3311CI - none ? Also, are you saying that x4200w with an external amp that has 2 channels, can do what I described - playing both FH and FW at the same time ? If so, what surround mode could I achieve with that - would that be Audyssey DSX driven for all channels ?

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So what's advantage of adding external amp to 3311CI - none ? Also, are you saying that x4200w with an external amp that has 2 channels, can do what I described - playing both FH and FW at the same time ? If so, what surround mode could I achieve with that - would that be Audyssey DSX driven for all channels ?

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1. A more powerful external amp (eg. Emotiva XPA-2 @ 300W) would provide more power than the AVR internal amps.
2. Correct. The X4200W could use either Audyssey DSX or DTS Neural:X for a 7.1.2 configuration (ie. 5.1 + FW + FH).
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1. A more powerful external amp (eg. Emotiva XPA-2 @ 300W) would provide more power than the AVR internal amps.
2. Correct. The X4200W could use either Audyssey DSX or DTS Neural:X for a 7.1.2 configuration (ie. 5.1 + FW + FH).

Thanks JD , one more clarification then - when I look at the back of my 4200w I see that there are 13.2 preouts plus additional pre-outs for zone 2 and 3. So if I am not mistaken, analog preouts are live at all times so which channels I am getting on these 13.analog preouts if I only can get 7.1.2 or 9.1 with this avr with an external amp ?


Is the only way to have 11.2 channels playing at all times is the get the 630H model ?

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Thanks JD , one more clarification then - when I look at the back of my 4200w I see that there are 13.2 preouts plus additional pre-outs for zone 2 and 3. So if I am not mistaken, analog preouts are live at all times so which channels I am getting on these 13.analog preouts if I only can get 7.1.2 or 9.1 with this avr with an external amp ?


Is the only way to have 11.2 channels playing at all times is the get the 630H model ?

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1. Although you can connect up to 13 speakers, only 9 of them will operate at any one time depending on the surround mode that is selected.
2. Again, if you want to use Front Wide speakers, they are not supported on the 2016 models (X4300H, X6300H), rather you would have to purchase the X6200W (9CH expandable to 11CH using 2CH amp) if you want the AVR to operate 11 speakers in the main zone to include Front Wide speakers.
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Pull the cable from the sub pre-out and rub your finger over the tip of the cable. Hear static from the sub? If no, either the cable or the sub is defective. Use a different cable to test (can use a red/white/yellow composite video cable for testing).
Ended up running a new cable from my AVR-991 to my sub, still doesn't work. I feared it was the AVR as I have dual subs, I didn't think that both would stop at the same time. Bites that this receiver only lasted 6 years. My previous receiver, a Sony STR-DA30ES which I bought back in 2000 is still working as my garage receiver feeding my outdoor speakers.
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1. Although you can connect up to 13 speakers, only 9 of them will operate at any one time depending on the surround mode that is selected.
2. Again, if you want to use Front Wide speakers, they are not supported on the 2016 models (X4300H, X6300H), rather you would have to purchase the X6200W (9CH expandable to 11CH using 2CH amp) if you want the AVR to operate 11 speakers in the main zone to include Front Wide speakers.

OK so if I bought X6200W (9CH expandable to 11CH using 2CH amp), then I could operate (playing sound though them) 11 speakers , right ?


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OK so if I bought X6200W (9CH expandable to 11CH using 2CH amp), then I could operate (playing sound though them) 11 speakers , right ?


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Right .... as long as you added a 2CH external amp.
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