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I am thinking on upgrading to an 2311ci or 3311ci from an 1909,there is only a 235 dollar price difference between the two,would it be worth it to go for the 3311,or just maybe settle for the 1911??

Really depends on whether you want the additional features offered in the 3311 or the GUI offered in the 2311 (over the standard OSD on the 1911).

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Really depends on whether you want the additional features offered in the 3311 or the GUI offered in the 2311 (over the standard OSD on the 1911).

The gui is different on the 3311??? I notice some power differences too...what about the internal sound/video processors and such??
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As expected, although vendors are listing the 3311 at MSRP on their websites, they will quickly reduce that in the coming weeks if not already lowered .... Electronics Expo already discounting by 20% off MSRP (Jason x152). Regardless of what any vendor's website shows though, always call to find out the vendor's best price.

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The gui is different on the 3311??? I notice some power differences too...what about the internal sound/video processors and such??

AFAIK, the GUI on the 2311 and 3311 are the same, the 4311 will have a more advanced GUI. I was simply mentioning the GUI if you wanted to drop down to the 1911 which has no GUI, rather simply the archaic white text on black background OSD. Power differences are moot between any of these AVRS. The 3311 offers the more advanced Audyssey MultEQ XT as well as the ability to add an external amp via a full set of pre-outs (not avail on the 2311). If your speaker set is < $1000 MSRP, I'd probably just stick with either the 1911 or 2311.

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The gui is different on the 3311??? I notice some power differences too...what about the internal sound/video processors and such??

1911 has basic black/white OSD with no overlay

2311 and 3311 have the nicer video processor with GUI and overlay

the 2311 and 3311 have IDENTICAL video processing and GUI

the 3311 adds several features over the 2311, including MultEQ XT (instead of regular MultEQ), pre-outs for all channels, Audyssey DSX, networking, and 3-zone support. It is a bit more of an "audiophile" unit too for critical 2ch music buffs, with a PHONO input, AL24+ processing on the front channels, and assumedly slightly better DAC's and analog components.

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1911 has basic black/white OSD with no overlay

2311 and 3311 have the nicer video processor with GUI and overlay

the 2311 and 3311 have IDENTICAL video processing and GUI

the 3311 adds several features over the 2311, including MultEQ XT (instead of regular MultEQ), pre-outs for all channels, Audyssey DSX, networking, and 3-zone support. It is a bit more of an "audiophile" unit too for critical 2ch music buffs, with a PHONO input, AL24+ processing on the front channels, and assumedly slightly better DAC's and analog components.

That means that will sounds better than the 2310? can somebody help me? or the AL24bit doesn't make any difference in sound quality?


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1911 has basic black/white OSD with no overlay

2311 and 3311 have the nicer video processor with GUI and overlay

the 2311 and 3311 have IDENTICAL video processing and GUI

the 3311 adds several features over the 2311, including MultEQ XT (instead of regular MultEQ), pre-outs for all channels, Audyssey DSX, networking, and 3-zone support. It is a bit more of an "audiophile" unit too for critical 2ch music buffs, with a PHONO input, AL24+ processing on the front channels, and assumedly slightly better DAC's and analog components.

If it were you,which would you get?
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Front HDMI was a factor for me wanting the 3311 over the 2311.

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If it were you,which would you get?

As mentioned earlier .. which you get depends on how much you can afford to pay as well as the quality of your speakers and what you need in an AVR. Only you can decide that. Your 1909 is only 2 years old ... think about why you want to upgrade the 1909 and what a new AVR must have to meet your new requirements. We generally suggest buying the lowest level AVR that meets your requirements and spending the savings on upgrading or adding speakers.

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I have a 1909 so a 1911 would be no upgrade,but I need 3d passthrough,if I am going to upgrade from that 1909 I should make it worth it,like I said 235 is the difference between the 2311 and 3311,the 3311 seems to have the upgraded dacs and processing and more power,but is it worth the 235 more?
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Front HDMI was a factor for me wanting the 3311 over the 2311.

The front hdmi`s are out or in???
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I have a 1909 so a 1911 would be no upgrade,but I need 3d passthrough,if I am going to upgrade from that 1909 I should make it worth it,like I said 235 is the difference between the 2311 and 3311,the 3311 seems to have the upgraded dacs and processing and more power,but is it worth the 235 more?

What speakers do you have? How much is your speaker setup worth? What are your requirements? You're asking for us to decide for you when we have no clue what you want other than HDMI 1.4. If you don't need networking ... go with the 2311 ... if you do, go with the 3311.

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The front hdmi`s are out or in???

The single front HDMI is IN.

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4 pl-66`s,2 p362`s and a pc350,also what could I get for my like new 1909??
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Given that speaker setup, I'd stick with either the 1911 or 2311. The only reason to upgrade to the 3311 is if you need the networking or other features offered. IMHO your money is much better spent upgrading your whole speaker setup.

Given the 1910 is selling for near $350 or so, you could probably get at least $200 for the 1909.

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On the subject of front HDMI: I find it a bit irritating that only high-end models have the front HDMI input. I’m sure that will eventually change, but honestly, more and more (even low-end) consumer electronics come equipped with HDMI. I have a camcorder and even a compact still camera with HDMI. Heck there are now smartphones with HDMI. Don’t get me wrong, I like the 3311, and would still be considering it if all the xx11 models had front-HDMI, but I just find it a bit sad that they don’t. I know you can just wrap a cable around from the back, but that is not ideal.

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Which is why we say to focus on your "requirements" and not so much on the audio with the 33XX and below models (although this year the 3311 now has the more advanced MultEQ XT which is indeed an upgrade to be considered). Some folks upgrade from the 19XX to the 23XX purely for the nicer GUI so they can see the volume overlay on the TV (even at a MSRP cost difference of $300!). If there's any desire to ever add an external amp, the 3311 is also the lowest level model with pre-outs. Again, first determine your requirments and go with the lowest level AVR that offers those requirements.

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Given that speaker setup, I'd stick with either the 1911 or 2311. The only reason to upgrade to the 3311 is if you need the networking or other features offered. IMHO your money is much better spent upgrading your whole speaker setup.

Given the 1910 is selling for near $350 or so, you could probably get at least $200 for the 1909.

Whats wrong with another 35 watts per channel? What about the upgraded dacs and processing,not worth it? Pre outs for xtra amps?
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The question is whether you personally would notice any difference in audio fidelity with those speakers with the 3311 vs. either the 2311 or 1911 (which we can't answer). The 35W difference between the 1911 (90W) and 3311 (125W) would amount to about a 1db difference in volume. It generally takes about 3db difference for the average person to notice the volume has even changed. Look, if the 3311 is within your budget and you expect to use an external amp at any point down the road, then get the 3311.

Also worth noting ... at average room volume those P362's (very efficient at 93db) are only using about 2-3W, not even coming remotely close to an AVR's marketing level maximum.

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The question is whether you personally would notice any difference in audio fidelity with those speakers with the 3311 vs. either the 2311 or 1911 (which we can't answer). The 35W difference between the 1911 (90W) and 3311 (125W) would amount to about a 1db difference in volume. It generally takes about 3db difference for the average person to notice the volume has even changed. Look, if the 3311 is within your budget and you expect to use an external amp at any point down the road, then get the 3311.

1db per speaker or total? I was thinking on adding amps in the future,but seems like a hassle since I have never really dealt with adding amps to home recievers,just car audio,but the option is nice,what would I expect to pay for a 3311?
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Per speaker ....

Guess you missed my post #93 above ....

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If it were you,which would you get?

it doesn't matter what I would get, I'm not getting any of them.

it matters what YOU NEED or WANT. that's it!

stop asking if model X or Y is "worth it"! YOU are the only one who can answer the question, because YOU are the one who has YOUR needs and YOUR budget.

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Per speaker ....

Guess you missed my post #93 above ....

Thats 7 db total for 7.1,correct?
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1db per speaker or total? I was thinking on adding amps in the future,but seems like a hassle since I have never really dealt with adding amps to home recievers,just car audio,but the option is nice,what would I expect to pay for a 3311?

MSRP is $1,199. You may or may not be able to find a better price.

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That means that will sounds better than the 2310?

maybe.

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or the AL24bit doesn't make any difference in sound quality?

it should... theoretically. so should MultEQ XT. on paper, the 3311 should sound a bit better than the 2310.

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can somebody help me?

please realize, as we repeat over and over again, sound quality differences are relatively minor among models. you get to the point of "diminishing returns" fairly quickly and, at a certain point, you are paying a lot more primarily for FEATURES and for potentially minor gains in sound quality. whether or not you actually hear a big difference in sound quality will depend on YOUR ears and YOUR speakers and how they sound in YOUR room. It's impossible for us to predict....

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it doesn't matter what I would get, I'm not getting any of them.

it matters what YOU NEED or WANT. that's it!

stop asking if model X or Y is "worth it"! YOU are the only one who can answer the question, because YOU are the one who has YOUR needs and YOUR budget.

Sorry for buggin eveyone I just try to get ALL the facts before buying,I can get 30% off the 3311 and 20% off the 2311 but only 10% off the 1911 from the authorized dealer I buy from too.
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if you want facts, ask for facts

"is it worth it?" is not a factual question.

the factual differences between the 1911 and 2311 are comprehensively listed in the fourth post of that owner's thread. the factual differences between the 2311 and the 3311 are:

- slightly more power
- dual HDMI outputs
- front HDMI input
- different front cosmetics with flip-down door concealing the buttons
- MultEQ XT (instead of regular MultEQ)
- pre-outs for all channels
- Audyssey DSX
- networking
- 3-zone support.
- dual 12V trigger outs (instead of just one on 2311)
- Sirius tuner input
- It is a bit more of an "audiophile" unit too for critical 2ch music buffs, with a PHONO input, AL24+ processing on the front channels, and assumedly slightly better DAC's and analog components.

if you WILL use those features.. and you can afford the extra money... then YES it is worth it. If you will NOT use the extra features, then it isn't

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Thanks so much. That makes more sense to me.
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Thats 7 db total for 7.1,correct?

Will I get 7db gain total with 7 speakers,and I wonder why the discount is bigger with the higher models?
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Your effective gain is only 1db for each speaker, which as I said before would be undetectable by you, not to mention you would likely NEVER even get to that volume level. The discounts are likely higher because the profit margin is greater with the more expensive AVRs. Seeing as your discount on the 3311 is the greatest, just go out and get the 3311 and start enjoying your new AVR rather than being so nit picky about it. At the rate you're going .. you'll still be here on labor day wondering which model to get.

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But... excuse me, but I don't understand... jajajja, if my 2310 is 105 x 7, and the 3311 is 125 x 7... we are talking about 20% (almost) more power... how can it be almost the same?



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