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Old 08-24-2015, 11:44 AM
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If you are buying today you should just get a SC-85 or higher.

Just looked at the current Elite AVRs. They have significantly cut down on legacy inputs. I would need an outboard composite/stereo switch box to fit in my components - laserdisc, VCR, external tuner, external phono preamp, cassette deck, DVD recorder, CDR. Looks as though I keep my SC-37 until it breaks, then look away from Pioneer.
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Most manufacturers are dropping legacy inputs. Make sure whatever you choose has everything you need, or that you have another solution (like the switch box).

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Just looked at the current Elite AVRs. They have significantly cut down on legacy inputs. I would need an outboard composite/stereo switch box to fit in my components - laserdisc, VCR, external tuner, external phono preamp, cassette deck, DVD recorder, CDR. Looks as though I keep my SC-37 until it breaks, then look away from Pioneer.
Not to be harsh but most of the technology you are trying to keep around if now pretty dated, you likely already know this. Considering the AVR is mean to be on the cutting edge I would expect that you will lose most of those imports. "Composite" will certainly be the first to go away.

Not to judge but what are you using a cassette deck for at this point?
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Not to judge but what are you using a cassette deck for at this point?[/QUOTE]


Now and again, I find a cassette that I cannot find in other formats, especially older private issues from concerts. In order to play and copy it to CDR, I need a cassette deck. The same is true for the laserdisc player and VCR, have many discs and tapes that never made it to DVD, hence need for laserdisc player,VCR and DVR.


Same for phono. Ever try to find E. Power Biggs recordings on CD? Very little of his vast vinyl catalog was issued on CD (never transferred Daquin and Sweelinck to mention a couple favorites) and many of the CD transfers do not sound as good as the LP, which is why I need an external phono preamp. CDR transfers of LPs never seem to sound as good as the LP.
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Not to judge but what are you using a cassette deck for at this point?

Now and again, I find a cassette that I cannot find in other formats, especially older private issues from concerts. In order to play and copy it to CDR, I need a cassette deck. The same is true for the laserdisc player and VCR, have many discs and tapes that never made it to DVD, hence need for laserdisc player,VCR and DVR.


Same for phono. Ever try to find E. Power Biggs recordings on CD? Very little of his vast vinyl catalog was issued on CD (never transferred Daquin and Sweelinck to mention a couple favorites) and many of the CD transfers do not sound as good as the LP, which is why I need an external phono preamp. CDR transfers of LPs never seem to sound as good as the LP.[/QUOTE]


So you are in fact using this tech because it is completely necessary. I would maybe work on building a conversion solution and switch away but that might be more work than it is worth. The LP(maybe get one with the phono inside it, in case that gets dropped?) should always be functional, I don't see how RCA sound can go anywhere as it is still a very professional format. The conversion rate is not high enough would be the reason for the CDR to not sound as good.

If you can get a audio interface that can record 96kHz at 24 bit then you will get 100% of the LP(sure LP might still have more but you can't hear it and more importantly speakers can't even output that digital sound, it's beyond their capability.) I have a M-Audio ProFire 610 that can do this.

Also as for your LaserDiscs, you could capture card it and using Adobe tools up convert it to HD. Sorry not saying you want help or ideas on how to move away from old tech but somethings seem pretty static like LD's as far as whats out there.
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Now and again, I find a cassette that I cannot find in other formats, especially older private issues from concerts. In order to play and copy it to CDR, I need a cassette deck. The same is true for the laserdisc player and VCR, have many discs and tapes that never made it to DVD, hence need for laserdisc player,VCR and DVR.


Same for phono. Ever try to find E. Power Biggs recordings on CD? Very little of his vast vinyl catalog was issued on CD (never transferred Daquin and Sweelinck to mention a couple favorites) and many of the CD transfers do not sound as good as the LP, which is why I need an external phono preamp. CDR transfers of LPs never seem to sound as good as the LP.
Don't see a need to justify this; just shows a good long time of enjoying music and video.

It's what you need and dumping a whole lot of good content to chase an ephemeral improvement is useless.

There's plenty of content that is either nonexistent or worse in current tech given the loudness wars, the vagaries of recording studio techs, changing tastes, etc. I'm still doing vinyl despite my NAS, so keep on with your setup, sounds good to me.
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Don't see a need to justify this; just shows a good long time of enjoying music and video.

It's what you need and dumping a whole lot of good content to chase an ephemeral improvement is useless.

There's plenty of content that is either nonexistent or worse in current tech given the loudness wars, the vagaries of recording studio techs, changing tastes, etc. I'm still doing vinyl despite my NAS, so keep on with your setup, sounds good to me.
I did not think I was justifying my needs, just answering what I took to be a real question, not a snarky comment. Took a while to respond, was on extended travel with no LPs, cassettes or laserdiscs, just online streaming, which made me miss cassettes nothing like hotel wifi hesitations for buffering to break up musical flow.
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Just as a FYI, I have upgraded or whatever...to a SC-85...ATMOS time.
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Just as a FYI, I have upgraded or whatever...to a SC-85...ATMOS time.
You should got the SC-95
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You should got the SC-95
Sure...but I got a deal for $630 bucks on the 85.
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Sure...but I got a deal for $630 bucks on the 85.
I see what you say when 4k goes full bloom especially for Blu-ray and today I listen to SC-95 and 99 the highs on 99 are awesome the design center in my area have them.
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I see what you say when 4k goes full bloom especially for Blu-ray and today I listen to SC-95 and 99 the highs on 99 are awesome the design center in my area have them.
4K for me will require a whole new investment as I am running a projector on a 125" screen. I don't see myself going away from projection.
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4K for me will require a whole new investment as I am running a projector on a 125" screen. I don't see myself going away from projection.
Sony have 4k projector's and JVC will too.
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Sony have 4k projector's and JVC will too.
When will come with 4K and 3D for under a grand...I think we are going to be waiting a few years....likely 2018, just a guess.
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When will come with 4K and 3D for under a grand...I think we are going to be waiting a few years....likely 2018, just a guess.
You always buy HDfury for 199.99 so you can keep your receiver just buy new projector.
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Now and again, I find a cassette that I cannot find in other formats, especially older private issues from concerts. In order to play and copy it to CDR, I need a cassette deck. The same is true for the laserdisc player and VCR, have many discs and tapes that never made it to DVD, hence need for laserdisc player,VCR and DVR.


Same for phono. Ever try to find E. Power Biggs recordings on CD? Very little of his vast vinyl catalog was issued on CD (never transferred Daquin and Sweelinck to mention a couple favorites) and many of the CD transfers do not sound as good as the LP, which is why I need an external phono preamp. CDR transfers of LPs never seem to sound as good as the LP.
There are lots of RCA -> HDMI adapters out on the market nowadays. If all you need is playback those should work very well.
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There are lots of RCA -> HDMI adapters out on the market nowadays. If all you need is playback those should work very well.

Do any of the adapters sound good? If I had to replace all my analog sources with HDMI, I would need 3 audio only and another 3 composite/audio adapters. I suspect adapters that did not degrade the source information would cost more than the $20-30 ones all over Amazon and Ebay. Then I would either need an HDMI switcher or a preamp/AVR with 9 HDMI inputs. This would get pretty messy.


I fear that the mainstream is deserting me, forcing me to stay in the used market for future replacements. The SC-97/99 has just one analog stereo input and just 7 rear HDMI inputs, would not meet my needs without external swtchers. I suspect the new tuners and phono preamps are no better than those in the SC-37, whose bad sound forced me to get a good external tuner and preamp to get sound up to the quality of the power amplifiers. The internal tuner is particularly bad; the phono preamp is just mediocre.
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I'm not sure how they work, but likely there is an ADC in there converting those analog signals into something that makes sense in HDMI. IMO DACs & ADCs have been around so long and are so incredibly good even cheap ones will do the trick, but you'll probably disagree. You'll have to do some research to find pricier alternatives.

The mainstream is most definitely deserting you, because you like obscure stuff that isn't being released in mainstream formats with acceptable quality. You have upscale tastes, and will now need to pay upscale prices because you represent such a small market. It's actually a pretty good argument for going to separates, because while I bet RCA-free receivers are only a few years away, there will always be niche manufacturers willing to cater to those who can't or won't update their equipment.

The resurgence of vinyl tells me anything is possible, so who knows? In five or ten years the trends may reverse and we'll have lots of lower-cost gear that'll work with RCA again.

I'm not counting on it, though.
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Still an amazing receiver. Movies sound potent and dynamic after owning it for 4 years. I did put a new amp in last year, so that should extend the life even further.

You're not going these kind of power ratings these days without spending alot-

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Mine only lasted 14 months before it blew. I have had a SC-61 for about 3 years now.

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Pioneer's own class D design, which premiered with the SC-5x series and I think is basically unchanged to this day, is well regarded and seems to be durable and powerful. Works for me.

Enjoy yours.
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Has anyone compared the SC--37 B&O class-D power amplifier with the newer Pioneer design? I am happy with the sound of the B&O sourced power amplifier, mates well with my Spendor speakers.


Several people have had failures with the SC-37, giving me pause about its ultimate reliability. At 5+ years of use mine has had no problems that could not resolved with a power cycle and those have been rare, maybe 3 times. From historical electronics reliability curves, it is well past the infant mortality spike, probably now past the low failure plateau and might now be in the rising part of the failure curve. On the other hand I have some electronics gear that is over 15 years old with no failures, so the SC-37 might last me the rest of my life.
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Has anyone successfully programmed the remote to control their AppleTV via RF?

Mine is perfect for IR, but in RF, the signal for "Menu" is always sent twice. Every other command is flawless, except "Menu."

I have tried longer and shorter hold sequences when "code learning" but it made no difference. Anyone have any tips?
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I think the number of people who successfully programmed AppleTV RF is about the same number as have compared the old and new Class-D amplifiers. Either that or this thread is dead. My guess is the latter. To quote McCoy "He's dead, Jim."
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