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Is it confirmed (besides jasons post) that the new elites will be using burr-brown DAC's instead of wolfson?

If true, whats the reason for the change, is BB cheaper?

When you're charging $2200 for a receiver, one would hope that is not the issue.
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This is good. Guess I will buy the SC-37 after all. Everyone please keep your fingers crossed for me. I'll be lucky if the unit is even in the box. I'm not even joking.

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Whats good?

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The Burr Brown DACS. Like it.
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Did you get other confirmation that the 37 will use it?

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Can you really tell that much of a difference between Wolfson and Burr-Brown?
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I emailed pioneer asking why all models don't matrix the surround back with dts HD ma.

They replied......

'Thank you for contacting Pioneer Electronics, Inc.
On the SC-37 Dolby Prologic IIx is available with all multi channel audio sources, if all the speakers are attached. '

Can anyone confirm this. If true SWEEEEET.
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Our company gets Employee pricing directly from Pioneer. I am surprised as you since I received an email last week saying that it will be shipped the 2nd part of July but the package arrived today. I'll post pictures as soon as I get home. Hopefully they didn't send the wrong receiver.

This pisses me off that you can get employee price and get the item 2 weeks ahead of schedule. What the hell? I guess if you are not going to post employee price you should message me and tell me, also on the sc-35. I work at BB and need one NOW!
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This pisses me off that you can get employee price and get the item 2 weeks ahead of schedule. What the hell? I guess if you are not going to post employee price you should message me and tell me, also on the sc-35. I work at BB and need one NOW!

This response sounds about right for a 12 year old.

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I emailed pioneer asking why all models don't matrix the surround back with dts HD ma.

They replied......

'Thank you for contacting Pioneer Electronics, Inc.
On the SC-37 Dolby Prologic IIx is available with all multi channel audio sources, if all the speakers are attached. '

Can anyone confirm this. If true SWEEEEET.

Unless the email is written in Japanese, I won't trust them.
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If anyone that has a SC-37 can confirm that you can use Dolby IIx to matrix the back speakers with a DTS-HD MA bitstreamed soundtrack without using THX mode I'll go ahead & order one.

Please let us know as soon as possible so I can place my order.
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I know this is an issue for lower end AVRs and my existing Denon 4306 (which I will be replacing) has this problem as well.

I want to use the Zone 2 input for a digital source (apple airtunes) via fiber to use the internal DACs as a pre-amp to external 500W 2 CH amp. I have this set up today but with an analog output from the airtunes device (using the cheap built in DACs in the airport).

Also, I see this unit also supports flac decoding but only at 16bit ?? It supports 24 bit in other formats but not flac. I'm curious why?
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Does anyone know if this receiver can do 9.1 if an external amp is used for 2 channels. ie can the preamp section do 9.1 or is it limited to 7.1?


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<<I am pretty sure it does not have the processing nor the preamp outputs to go to 9.1.>>

Edit: I was wrong again, see below and it's even listed in the latest product sheet:

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/ep...iles/SC-37.pdf

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Does anyone know if this receiver can do 9.1 if an external amp is used for 2 channels. ie can the preamp section do 9.1 or is it limited to 7.1?

http://www.abt.com/images/products/P...C37_manual.pdf

Page 36 shows pre-outs for 9.1 if I am reading it correctly. If you're asking do you also have an amp left for zone 2 stereo, I doubt it.

As for my earlier question about digital source for zone 2.. I think that I'm fine but as I've been bitten by this one before I thought I ask for confirmation.
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Here is the email I got back from Pioneer about matrixing the rear channels for a bitstreamed DTS-HD MA soundtrack without using THX mode.

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From everything I am reading and testing products it seems that the SC-37 and 35 will work the same for decoding DTS-MA as last years SC-25 and 27 which what I used to test your question.

We should be getting an SC-35 or 37 within a week or two. You may want to shoot this email again later on so that we can test this with the exact model you want. I say this because with the new VSX-1020 when I tried that unit I was able to add the PL IIx Movie decoding to matrix the surround back channels with a movie that was decoded in DTS-MA 5.1. So it may be able to be done with the sew SC series.

They state the VSX-1020 will do it like I also confirmed the VSX-9040 would matrix the rears without being in THX mode.

If anyone confirms the SC-37 can matrix the rears without adding THX mode please post so I can place my order.

I'll also let you guys know if Pioneer answers back. If they don't in a couple of weeks I'll shoot them another email to see if they tested one if no one posts the answer in the meantime.

I'm anxiously waiting for the answer.
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Does the SC-37 display volume changes, format changes, etc. via an OSD during playback? The most important to me is volume level as it is very difficult to see the current volume on the receiver's front panel and it would be nice to see it on your TV as you make any changes. I know their previous model years did not have an OSD for these functions.

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If anyone that has a SC-37 can confirm that you can use Dolby IIx to matrix the back speakers with a DTS-HD MA bitstreamed soundtrack without using THX mode I'll go ahead & order one.

Please let us know as soon as possible so I can place my order.

Yes you can. I have a SC-25 and all my DTS-HD MA blu-rays play matrixed through the rear channels as long as I use the "Direct" mode on the receiver. I don't even need to use Dolby IIx...The SC-35 and 37 will do the same. On my VSX-94 I would have to use the THX Select 2 cin mode. I have an Oppo BDP-83 player.
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Yes you can. I have a SC-25 and all my DTS-HD MA blu-rays play matrixed through the rear channels as long as I use the "Direct" mode on the receiver. I don't even need to use Dolby IIx...The SC-35 and 37 will do the same. On my VSX-94 I would have to use the THX Select 2 cin mode. I have an Oppo BDP-83 player.

Great!!

I'll definitely be placing an order for one.

By the way what is Direct Mode & what does it do?

Hopefully it doesn't do any processing like the THX mode does.

Does the SC series sound better than the VSX-94TXH? That will be what I am replacing.
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If Direct Mode works like in my SC-27 (probable), it removes all but MCACC processing (no surround fields, concert hall effects, etc.) Pure Direct is without any processing -- input bits to DACs (or analog in to analog out).

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Sounds like it is simply doing a channel dupping, i.e. duplicate the two surround channels to surround rear channels. If that's the case, many BD players already can do that when decoding DTS-HD MA.

I'd still like the DPLIIx processing better.
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Great!!

I'll definitely be placing an order for one.

By the way what is Direct Mode & what does it do?

Hopefully it doesn't do any processing like the THX mode does.

Does the SC series sound better than the VSX-94TXH? That will be what I am replacing.

Direct is pure PCM without any processing. I don't really hear a differnce between the 94 and the SC-25...If anything, I think the 94 is a bit more powerful...It doesn't shut down when pumped at 0 plus...the SC-25 will shut down if pushed hard past -10 using 6 ohm speakers in both cases.
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If Direct Mode works like in my SC-27 (probable), it removes all but MCACC processing (no surround fields, concert hall effects, etc.) Pure Direct is without any processing -- input bits to DACs (or analog in to analog out).

When you have it in Direct Mode does it still show as DTS-HD MA on the receiver?

Sounds like the Direct Mode will do what I am looking for it to do to matrix the rear speakers to the back speakers.

Are you able to use Dolby IIx to matrix the back speakers for bitstreamed DTS-HD MA or just by using the Direct Mode?
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Direct is pure PCM without any processing. I don't really hear a differnce between the 94 and the SC-25...If anything, I think the 94 is a bit more powerful...It doesn't shut down when pumped at 0 plus...the SC-25 will shut down if pushed hard past -10 using 6 ohm speakers in both cases.


What do you mean by shutting down?

I have 8 ohm 150 watt speakers.

Do I have to worry about the receiver shutting down at loud volumes? I haven't heard anything about that.

I usually run my 94 at about -8 on bitstreamed DTS-HD MA. If I push it further it gets too loud.
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What do you mean by shutting down?

I have 8 ohm 150 watt speakers.

Do I have to worry about the receiver shutting down at loud volumes? I haven't heard anything about that.

I usually run my 94 at about -8 on bitstreamed DTS-HD MA. If I push it further it gets too loud.

No, with 8ohm speakers you should be fine up to reference level 0 after that the unit may shut down on real strong DTS-HD-MA tracks. Go to the Pioneer site and read about it under info for the SC-37...
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When you have it in Direct Mode does it still show as DTS-HD MA on the receiver?

Sounds like the Direct Mode will do what I am looking for it to do to matrix the rear speakers to the back speakers.

Are you able to use Dolby IIx to matrix the back speakers for bitstreamed DTS-HD MA or just by using the Direct Mode?

Yes, it says DTS-HD-MA on the receiver using Direct mode....you don't need any THX or Dolby IIx modes.
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What do you mean by shutting down?

I have 8 ohm 150 watt speakers.

Do I have to worry about the receiver shutting down at loud volumes? I haven't heard anything about that.

I usually run my 94 at about -8 on bitstreamed DTS-HD MA. If I push it further it gets too loud.

Somewhere on the Pioneer site under info for the SC-35/37, It had this....

"My AV receiver says OVERLOAD and shuts off, what should I do?
Poor wiring connections, bad wires or a bad speaker may cause this. As you increase the volume, you will increase the amount of current you are drawing from the receiver. To troubleshoot this issue, try the following:

1.Disconnect each speaker wire connection. Inspect for any frayed or damaged wiring and replace it.
2.Check the impedance of the speakers; make sure they are properly rated for your stereo. In most cases, they need to be 8 ohms. Only a few Pioneer receivers will support lower impedance.
3.If the problem still continues, try these steps:
1.Turn the receiver off.
2.Remove one speaker.
3.Turn the receiver on.
4.Increase the volume.
If the receiver overloads, repeat steps 1-4 (selecting a different speaker each time). If you disconnect a certain speaker and the receiver no longer overloads, have this speaker checked at a service center. It could have a bad speaker component, like a tweeter, sub-woofer, or even a bad crossover."
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Somewhere on the Pioneer site under info for the SC-35/37, It had this....

"My AV receiver says OVERLOAD and shuts off, what should I do?
Poor wiring connections, bad wires or a bad speaker may cause this. As you increase the volume, you will increase the amount of current you are drawing from the receiver. To troubleshoot this issue, try the following:

1.Disconnect each speaker wire connection. Inspect for any frayed or damaged wiring and replace it.
2.Check the impedance of the speakers; make sure they are properly rated for your stereo. In most cases, they need to be 8 ohms. Only a few Pioneer receivers will support lower impedance.
3.If the problem still continues, try these steps:
1.Turn the receiver off.
2.Remove one speaker.
3.Turn the receiver on.
4.Increase the volume.
If the receiver overloads, repeat steps 1-4 (selecting a different speaker each time). If you disconnect a certain speaker and the receiver no longer overloads, have this speaker checked at a service center. It could have a bad speaker component, like a tweeter, sub-woofer, or even a bad crossover."
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So does anyone that owns a SC-27 had any problems with the receiver shutting off at loud levels?

I had a problem with my VSX-94TXH shutting down at loud volumes so I rewired all my speakers & went to banana clips & haven't had any problems with it shutting down anymore.

I do run my receiver pretty loud since I can with my speakers.

I take it the shutdown was because of exactly what Pioneer was saying on the website. It could have been speaker wires touch or just a bad speaker wire.

Everything is okay since I rewired everything & went to banana clips.
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So does anyone that owns a SC-27 had any problems with the receiver shutting off at loud levels?

I had a problem with my VSX-94TXH shutting down at loud volumes so I rewired all my speakers & went to banana clips & haven't had any problems with it shutting down anymore.

I do run my receiver pretty loud since I can with my speakers.

I take it the shutdown was because of exactly what Pioneer was saying on the website. It could have been speaker wires touch or just a bad speaker wire.

Everything is okay since I rewired everything & went to banana clips.

Well, I think the ice amps are just a bit more touchy with higher volume levels...I have never had an issue with any of the high end Pioneer Elite models until they started using the ice amps...I have had issues with it shutting down at levels that would not shut down on the 94. If you go deep into the threads of the Official Pioneer Elite SC-25/27 thread, you will see there are a few of us that have had issues...do a google search intitled "my Pioneer Elite shuts down during movie" you will see some folks reporting this issue. Sensitivity relays on the new power supply force the unit to shut down during high load demand while watching movies with strong DTS-HD-MA sound tracks.
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Well, I think the ice amps are just a bit more touchy with higher volume levels...I have never had an issue with any of the high end Pioneer Elite models until they started using the ice amps...I have had issues with it shutting down at levels that would not shut down on the 94. If you go deep into the threads of the Official Pioneer Elite SC-25/27 thread, you will see there are a few of us that have had issues...do a google search intitled "my Pioneer Elite shuts down during movie" you will see some folks reporting this issue. Sensitivity relays on the new power supply force the unit to shut down during high load demand while watching movies with strong DTS-HD-MA sound tracks.

So is there a better receiver that is at least 140 watts per 7 channels that will not shut down at loud levels.

I usually run my receiver at really loud volumes & add treble & bass to the tone control.

I have 6 tower speakers that have 300 watt subs in each of them so I like it loud but I don't want to have to worry about the receiver shutting off.

Does the Onkyo's have the same problem? Or any other receiver. I was unaware of this. My 94 was shutting down at high volumes. I thought it was something wrong with the receiver?

What receiver should I get that doesn't shut down at high volumes.
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