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I have a recent quote under $1650 for the TX-NR5008 and they have stock now, already this conflicts with release date being changed to "coming soon"?
The prices dropping and the changed release dates concern me that maybe something is really wrong with them?

Hello,
That is an amazing price. Especially if from a Canadian Dealer. I have not read anywhere of there being problems with the 3008/5008. Rather, I was just surprised to see Onkyo's US Website changing the Release Date on the Models.
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Does anybody actually own a TX-NR3008 receiver????

I'm in Canada, and I am VERY impatient on getting one...

My other option was a Pioneer Elite SC-37 which is already available, but I'm waiting for either Onkyo TX-NR3008 or Integra DTR-70.2...

The Pioneer Elite lacks the Audyssey processing (MulteEQ XT, dynamic volume, dynamic EQ, etc) which I feel is a great thing...

Would anyone recommend getting the Pioneer over Onkyo/Integra?
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No way in hell I would pay a high price for any of Onkyo's current flagship receiver's with their cute little engine that couldn't amp sections.

Asinine post. First, you can be all but assured that this is/will be one of the most powerful AVR's on the market, and further, that it will replicate reference-level SPL's in rooms 3000 cubes or less, hence the THX ULtra designation.

Please keep these inane, baseless amplifier comments to your threads. We all know by now that you "require" 400 watts per channel and lease-breaking SPL's.

Well, at least one of those parameters are completely doable with this unit.

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Hi,

The 5008 User Manual can be found here, click on "Manual".

And contrary to the 5007, for the 5008 the Audyssey DSX W+H operation is confirmed. BUT this is just in a 9.2 configuration, as when W+H speakers are used, BS speakers are automaticaly set to "none" (p.51 EN Manual)...

Anyway I ordered mine here in France and it should arrive by early September.

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No way in hell I would pay a high price for any of Onkyo's current flagship receiver's with their cute little engine that couldn't amp sections.

I think you are overestimating what many standalone amplifiers are capable of delivering. Sure for your lower cost AVR $200 to even the low $1k models, the amplifiers may not be ideal. But did you ever think that those lower cost amplifiers are using the same power supplies that that are being used in those AVRs that you quickly discount.

If your going to go with separates the only way to do it is to go with a single high current amplifier for each channel. And even then do you really think that you are gaining much. I have to laugh when I see snobbish audiophile bragging about all this power they have available and they you see them running 5 monoblocks plus their component through one power conditioner connected to a single 15A circuit.

In reality 10wpc channel can deliver a high SPL. All the extra power really does is give headroom for those dynamics that make listening an enjoyable experience.

The newer Onkyos tested lower because of certain settings in the unit and power limiting that would most likely not kick in during normal listening. Also those magazine reviews have to be taken with a grain of salt. They are basically high gloss ads for the companies that spend the most advertising.

I am sure other AVRs and amps for that matter look pretty bad with all channels driven and the 4-ohm setting engaged. Current limiting is the same for a standalone amp if they want a UL symbol.

I have a fairly decent sized room 12x25x7.5. My 1007 has no problem with delivering uncomfortable sound levels in a 7.1 setup with great dynamics.

See the Onkyo 1007. The newer Onkyos are dropping into lower power modes when not being driven hard (limited dynamic range recordings and lower listening levels). And again 68wpc... looks small but even a standalone 200w amp delivering a real 140w (amp companies overstate power capabilities also) would only deliver about in an additional 3dB of headroom or dynamics. IOW, it is going to be barely noticeable.

Unless you are trying to fill an auditorium with a large SPL... most AVR amps are more than adequate for our relatively small environments.

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Asinine post. First, you can be all but assured that this is/will be one of the most power AVR's on the market, and further that it will replicate reference-level SPL's in rooms 3000 cubes or less, hence the THX ULtra designation.

Please keep these inane, baseless amplifier comments to your threads. We all know by now that you "require" 400 watts per channel and lease-breaking SPL's.

Well, at least one of those parameters are completely doable with this unit.

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I put my name on a notification list from Vann's for when the 5008 became available. I just received an e-mail from them indicating that it is now in stock. Thier price is $2299 with free shipping. I am going to get one. Now all I have to do is figure out what to do with the 5007 I bought in May.

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Hi,

The 5008 User Manual can be found here, click on "Manual".

And contrary to the 5007, for the 5008 the Audyssey DSX W+H operation is confirmed. BUT this is just in a 9.2 configuration, as when W+H speakers are used, BS speakers are automaticaly set to "none" (p.51 EN Manual)...

Anyway I ordered mine here in France and it should arrive by early September.

Hugo

Also looks like digital inputs aren't supported on Zone 2/3. PG 84
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No way in hell I would pay a high price for any of Onkyo's current flagship receiver's with their cute little engine that couldn't amp sections.

Hello,
As was stated in the Sound & Vision Review of the 5007, they selected the 4 Ohm Setting for Bench Testing 5 and 7 Channels. Given that this setting greatly reduces output, it honestly makes no sense.

From the Review: "Output at clipping (1 kHz, 8/4 ohms, both channels driven): 174/148*** W (22.4 /21.7 dBW)
***Power into 4-ohm loads was limited by onboard protection circuits to approximately 150 watts with software impedance switch at 6 ohm, and to about 65 W with the switch at 4 ohm.
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I just sold my NR3007 to pick up the NR3008 because I was under the impression it has the new MultEQ XT 32, but everything I am seeing says MultEQ XT for the US models. Has it been 100% confirmed the 3008 and 5008 have the new Audyssey in them?
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(possibly) No Aud MultEq XT 32?
No (still) support for digital audio inputs in the 2nd and 3rd zones.
No 11.X capability.

All big losses to Denon afaic. And this is from a fan of Onkyo. None of the above should be expected on entry or mid-line models, but these are flagship products.


disappointing.

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Hello,
I was not aware that Onkyo was definitely not offering MultEQ XT 32 with these Models. I have read elsewhere that they were going to be equipped with it. If the ROW Models are going to offer it, I would be shocked if the US Versions did not have it. (JDM excluded)

I suppose we will know once the first units are Shipped. Given Onkyo really being out front with most Features, I still hold hope.
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I just sold my NR3007 to pick up the NR3008 because I was under the impression it has the new MultEQ XT 32, but everything I am seeing says MultEQ XT for the US models. Has it been 100% confirmed the 3008 and 5008 have the new Audyssey in them?

What's the concern about MultEQ XT? That is, what benefit does it have over the current implementations on the 3007/5007?

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Per the manual : 5008/3008 will have audyssey xt 32
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Per the manual : 5008/3008 will have audyssey xt 32

brando9401,

Thanks for the info. They added the manual to the US site today. I was at Fry's today and they had a TX-NR1007 on dislpay and I was amazed at how hot the top of this unit was. Do Onkyo AVRs tradtionally have heat issues without adding fans, etc.? I presently have a Marantz SR7002 and previously had a Denon AVR-3802 and those AVRs would only be warm after extensive use. This Onkyo was nearly hot enough to burn.


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I just pulled the trigger on an NR3008. Since I just bought a TV from Crutchfield, they gave me a 10% discount. I was on Amazon looking at images of the front panel. If you zoom in a couple times, you will indeed see the XT32 logo. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/ima...ctronics&img=0
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No need to zoom in to a blurry logo, as XT 32 operation is detailed in the 3008/5008 manual
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I just pulled the trigger on an NR3008. Since I just bought a TV from Crutchfield, they gave me a 10% discount = $190. That kinda makes me wonder how much these things are marked up. I was on Amazon looking at images of the front panel. If you zoom in a couple times, you will indeed see the XT32 logo. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/ima...ctronics&img=0

Electronics MSRP usually includes 50% markup thats why it's easy for most retailers to offer 30% - 40% discounts on package deals.

I have a quote of $1630.oo $USD for an Onkyo TX-NR5008 from an authorized Onkyo dealer in the US.

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Electronics MSRP usually includes 50% markup thats why it's easy for most retailers to offer 30% - 40% discounts on package deals.

I have a quote of $1630.oo $USD for an Onkyo TX-NR5008 from an authorized Onkyo dealer in the US.

Woody,

I sent you a PM a few days ago looking for some details about the pricing you are talking about, but I got no response. Is this deal an exclusive?


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Great deal on the 5008, well done.

I'm moving on guys, although I'm glad you're getting the XT32, I need (lol) 11.X capability, and I like my digital in my music room and patio.

This WILL be the last AVR for a good long while and I'm takin all I get.

Good luck and enjoy these machines!

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Great deal on the 5008, well done.

I'm moving on guys, although I'm glad you're getting the XT32, I need (lol) 11.X capability, and I like my digital in my music room and patio.

This WILL be the last AVR for a good long while and I'm takin all I get.

Good luck and enjoy these machines!

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Moving on to the Denon 4311/4811?

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Electronics MSRP usually includes 50% markup thats why it's easy for most retailers to offer 30% - 40% discounts on package deals.

I have a quote of $1630.oo $USD for an Onkyo TX-NR5008 from an authorized Onkyo dealer in the US.

Just wondering if you could PM me who quoted you this price. I'm in BC as well and am very interested. Does the price include shipping to Canada or the US? Point Roberts I'm assuming?
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Moving on to the Denon 4311/4811?

Yep, the 4311 (it appears there won't be a 4811, btw).

Not to blast the thread, but the 4311 appears to be one of those rare products that's bringing everything to the table, including all of the above features/technologies I listed.

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Am i missing something or is the 4311 only 9.2?
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Am i missing something or is the 4311 only 9.2?

vxaxv17,

You may be missing something. According to this First Look review at audioholics.com the 4311 will be expandable to 11.2.

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/r...-avr-4311ci-fl


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Ah yes, sorry. I only looked at the specs (which state 9.2) and did not read the article itself (which claims the expandability to 11). Thanks for clearing that up.
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Ah yes, sorry. I only looked at the specs (which state 9.2) and did not read the article itself (which claims the expandability to 11). Thanks for clearing that up.

vxaxv17,

It's nice to read the 11.2 in print, but the press release only mentioned the AVR being 9.2. However, it would be nice if it was expandable to 11.2. I'll have to keep an eye on this.


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I just pulled the trigger on the 3008, I got it shipped overnight Sat delivery so I will have it tomorrow. Let me know if you guys want to know anything in particular. I've owned the last 4 yrs of Onkyo models in a row.

That Denon does look nice though.
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I just pulled the trigger on the 3008, I got it shipped overnight Sat delivery so I will have it tomorrow. Let me know if you guys want to know anything in particular. I've owned the last 4 yrs of Onkyo models in a row.

That Denon does look nice though.

Awesome. I'd really like to know if that simultaneous part of the dual hdmi outputs is only 1 source to both outputs or if it lets you do 2 separate sources to 2 displays at the same time. I dont simply want the same thing on both displays, i want different sources simultaneously.
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