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its expandable but you need an external amp.

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It's nice to read the 11.2 in print, but the press release only mentioned the AVR being 9.2. However, it would be nice if it was expandable to 11.2. I'll have to keep an eye on this.


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The 11.2 is nice, along with not needing an ipod dock, but I actually use THX Ultra2 and that missing put me over the edge for the Onkyo. I also like the ability to turn off the pre-amp, but from what I read it is all or nothing with the Denon instead of individual amps per speaker and that does me no good. If you have the room for 11.2 I'd say go for the Denon, but I don't have the room for 9.2 let alone 11.2 in my current room.

I think the 3008 will be just as successful as the 3007 with some nice added features. I will post some pics if it does indeed show up tomorrow afternoon.
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I'm torn too between the 3008 and the 4311.

Denon 4311

- 11.2 capable
- Pre Amp Mode
- Cheaper Retail Price
- Runs cooler (at least the 4310)
- 3 Year warranty

Onkyo 3008

- 16lbs heavier (not sure if that really means anything or just heavier is stronger mindset)
- THX ULTRA Select 2 Cert (not sure if this is something that i would use if I use height setup)

Those are the things i notice right off the top without digging into the types of audio/video processors

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ordered a 3008 today, hoping it doesn't take too long to get here. onkyo has been like a drug for me, first an 805 at release then i defected for a denon3808, switched back to onk with an 807 then 1007 then 3007 now 3008, if they make them look different then my wife will figure out that it has changed 4 times in a year
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I'm torn too between the 3008 and the 4311.

Denon 4311

- 11.2 capable
- Pre Amp Mode
- Cheaper Retail Price
- Runs cooler (at least the 4310)
- 3 Year warranty

Onkyo 3008

- 16lbs heavier (not sure if that really means anything or just heavier is stronger mindset)
- THX ULTRA Select 2 Cert (not sure if this is something that i would use if I use height setup)



Those are the things i notice right off the top without digging into the types of audio/video processors


And out comes Yamaha with the RX-A2000/3000 with HQV Vida processor, auto HQV and HQV streamclean, not sure what it does but am straight back on the fence.......
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And out comes Yamaha with the RX-A2000/3000 with HQV Vida processor, auto HQV and HQV streamclean, not sure what it does but am straight back on the fence.......

I was going to dismiss this one quickly till i saw with an amp you can expand this system with 11.2. Not that I am going to run that many speakers but I do like options. Do you know if the 3000 will have the feature of the Denon where you can turn off the receiver's amps when you are using an external amp?

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NR3008 has arrived and unboxed. Weight for weight it feels identical to my NR3007 and nothing visually has changed other then a big sticker on the front of the unit. I was hoping they would of done something with the ugly green glow on the remote but it is the same

The receiver does have XT32 so everyone can stop worrying about that. I have a dedicated AS-EQ1 from SVS that I am going to be putting it up against and plotting graphs with REW to see if XT32 is a big improvement or not.

I will post some pics and a mini-review a little later once I get everything setup. I am heading to the gym now before I get too deep into this.
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Small update, I am noticing some nice differences here already between this and the 3007. One being IPhone/IPOD is supported out of the box with no dock on the NR3008. I plugged it into the front of the Onkyo and it started playing no problem. I am not 100% sure this wasn't the case on the NR3007 but I never could get it to work directly hooked up without a dock to the front USB port. In extended mode you have full control over the Ipod and it puts the device into accessory mode. I have a 4G Iphone and it is working great.

Very excited to finally be able to use my iphone without a stupid dock. It even charges the phone
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Any chance you have 2 displays you can test the dual hdmi out with? I'm dying to know if it will output 2 different input signals at once...
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Any chance you have 2 displays you can test the dual hdmi out with? I'm dying to know if it will output 2 different input signals at once...
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Any chance you have 2 displays you can test the dual hdmi out with? I'm dying to know if it will output 2 different input signals at once...
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I haven't seen an AVR yet that can do that..
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Any chance you have 2 displays you can test the dual hdmi out with? I'm dying to know if it will output 2 different input signals at once...
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I don't have 2 HDMI devices I could output to right now to test this. If that changes I'll let you know.
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I don't have 2 HDMI devices I could output to right now to test this. If that changes I'll let you know.

Unless I read his question wrong, I think he wants to know if you can send two different inputs to the two outputs simultanously.

i.e. HDMI in 1 to HDMI out 1 and HDMI in 2 to HDMI out 2 at the same time.

Without two completely separate HDMI paths, it cannot be done.

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Any chance you have 2 displays you can test the dual hdmi out with? I'm dying to know if it will output 2 different input signals at once...
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vxaxv17,

I'm going to venture a guess that no consumer grade AVR or PrePro has this functionality. If any of the current Onkyo's could do this it would have been mentioned prominently in the press release and on this thread. The 1st manufacturer who can implement this functionality will probably hold a press conference.


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I decided to replace my older Rotel RSX-1065 with the TX-NR5008.. I figured since my Rotel had a toroidal transformer I would go with another High current receiver. The 5008 should be here by Friday Sept 3rd I hope...

I have no concerns, however I'm not sure what one person said in this thread about 11.2? Maybe I just don't understand what it is? I have 2 zones (garage and patio) Running off two old NAD power envelope 2100 amps that I have had for years, so is the user saying there are no pre-outs for 11.2?

So I guess my question is whats the point of 11.2? Only to add more speakers to the surround correct?

I will try to review the 5008 ASAP. My system is pretty simple so I'm not sure what I would say in a review besides it sounds good..So if there are any questions please let me know I will run through the thing and give you answers.
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I guess ill be going with a matrix switch then. At least it will give me the functionality to do what I'm trying to acomplish. Thanks for all the info.
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Well I have good news and bad news.

The good news is that XT32 is definitely better (in my ears and my setup) vs the AS-EQ1 and just regular MultEQ XT. I was hearing things from my subs I've never heard before and the bass slam I was complaining about returned after I re-did the setup. I would say if you have 2 subs you are OK to run them both into your 9.2 receiver and let XT32 do its thing.

Now the bad. XT32 does horrible, horrible things with my mains. I don't know what is happening or WHY it is happening, but it makes every speaker I own sound dull and like they are in a tin can. The first time I heard them I was stumped at the loss of sound output, today I focused on loss of clarity and how everything sounds like it is literally being spoken through a tin can inside a tunnel. I tried every sound DSP mode and putting the speakers into All Channel Stereo was the only way to remove it with Audyssey. When I turned Audyssey off, the sound returned to normal. I did not try this with another input device outside the PS3 so I will try my DirectTV later to verify.

I've re-tried setting them up 4x today and the end result is the same. Unfortunately I either have a bad receiver, Onkyo screwed up somewhere with this receiver line, or I just am not going to like what XT32 is doing to my room. I guess I will have to try another receiver to find out.

I will be boxing it up and shipping it out this week for a replacement and also pick up the Denon to compare.
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Jmalto - If you have a 3D tv can you let us know if using a HDMI connection for Directv to Onkyo AVR to TV retains 3D and audio? Thx! Which Denon will you be trying?

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Do you know if the 3000 will have the feature of the Denon where you can turn off the receiver's amps when you are using an external amp?

It looks as if Yamaha has removed this feature from the new line up.
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It looks as if Yamaha has removed this feature from the new line up.

ty for the info. Looks like back to deciding between the Onkyo 3008 and the Denon 4311.

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ty for the info. Looks like back to deciding between the Onkyo 3008 and the Denon 4311.

Price wise the Onk will be at least $500 less
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Price wise the Onk will be at least $500 less

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Based on what.



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Just a final update in this thread, I am returning the Onkyo. Chris with Audyssey was thinking I had a blown speaker/tweeter and XT32 was EQing around it but I am 99.9% positive none of my speakers are blown.

I tried my AS-EQ1 MIC as a last resort and it still sounds horrible. Everything sounds like it is being played in a tunnel and very "tinny" sounding. I never had this issue with my NR3007 & MultEQ XT so I refuse to believe my speakers are messed up until I try another receiver.

I am going to pick up the new Denon when it comes out and give that a shot so I will let you guys know how it sounds vs the Onkyo.
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Based on what.



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Just to give everyone something to think about. Check out Hi-Fi Heaven's 5008 prices. They are on Onkyo's authorized vendor list. Makes it hard for me to wait on the Denon 4311 or Integra 70.2.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ht_1060wt_1128

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Just to give everyone something to think about. Check out Hi-Fi Heaven's 5008 prices. They are on Onkyo's authorized vendor list. Makes it hard for me to wait on the Denon 4311 or Integra 70.2.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ht_1060wt_1128

Actually over the weekend Newegg.com had comparable pricing on both 3008 and 5008.

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Hello,
That is a killer price and really has me considering returning my 3007 that I just purchased. However, I was able to get my 3007 for an amazing price and the 5008 would cost twice as much. If I was using the Amplification in the AVR's, I would be more inclined to do so.

With HDMI 1.4 not really exciting me in the slightest, oddly 1.3 caused me to change out my Processor, BDP, and TV. I just do not care about 3D and while there are other new Features with 1.4, 3D is the main attraction.
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I am hoping that the relay clicking is addressed with the new units.

Me too. How about the speaker static so many folks are reporting on the 3007 & 5007?

Is anyone experiencing speaker noise/static on the 3008 or 5008?
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Well I have good news and bad news.

The good news is that XT32 is definitely better (in my ears and my setup) vs the AS-EQ1 and just regular MultEQ XT. I was hearing things from my subs I've never heard before and the bass slam I was complaining about returned after I re-did the setup. I would say if you have 2 subs you are OK to run them both into your 9.2 receiver and let XT32 do its thing.

Now the bad. XT32 does horrible, horrible things with my mains. I don't know what is happening or WHY it is happening, but it makes every speaker I own sound dull and like they are in a tin can. The first time I heard them I was stumped at the loss of sound output, today I focused on loss of clarity and how everything sounds like it is literally being spoken through a tin can inside a tunnel. I tried every sound DSP mode and putting the speakers into All Channel Stereo was the only way to remove it with Audyssey. When I turned Audyssey off, the sound returned to normal. I did not try this with another input device outside the PS3 so I will try my DirectTV later to verify.

I've re-tried setting them up 4x today and the end result is the same. Unfortunately I either have a bad receiver, Onkyo screwed up somewhere with this receiver line, or I just am not going to like what XT32 is doing to my room. I guess I will have to try another receiver to find out.

I will be boxing it up and shipping it out this week for a replacement and also pick up the Denon to compare.


Kinda lost me.....Is it the mains or every speaker? Is it the speakers or how XT32 is equalizing your room? What mains are you using? Is TV and PS3 your only sources? I should get the 5008 soon as it is in transit via FedEx. I will listen for this tunnel effect, I wonder if you got a bad unit or not. Post as soon as you try another receiver, hopefully another receiver with XT32..Also isn't this problem fixable with a firmware update? I know the unit is new with no support yet, but if XT32 truly is a problem can't it be fixed with an update?

I returned an Integra 50.2 due to the video stutter while the OSD was active as I need the OSD to see where the unit is set. I liked the sound of it though. The 50.2 didn't have XT32, so I hope your unit was a fluke...
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Price wise the Onk will be at least $500 less

Yeah on the Onkyo 3008 is 2099.99 and the Denon is 1999.99. Thanks to that posted pick I am happy the Denon is 4 Ohm Certified as two of my speakers are 4 Ohms.

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