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But if I want a 7.1 setup what would I need? After posting the original question I did some some research and a cheap amplifier may be all I need. Something like this!

http://www.amazon.com/Pyle-PCA4-2x12.../dp/B0036VO6G4

I don't know for sure, but I think the 708 has the necessary connections for you to run 7.1 in your home theater and then pre-amp for your patio speakers.
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Bi-amping is where you run two channels to one speaker for the purpose of providing twice the power. My understanding is this receiver is capable of powering 7 channels at one time so you could configure 5.1 and bi-amp the front left and right, but then you wouldn't get front high, wide or rear surround.

No, bi-amping doesn't necessarily double your power. You split a single speaker by cutting or removing the connection between the high and low frequency drivers and connecting a separate channel from the amp to each half of the speaker.
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Just received this from Onkyo tech suppt & thought it could be of use to those programming universal remotes.

I found earlier versions in other threads, but this one adds support for the 708 and includes discretes for the picture settings/aspect ratio as well as the universal port.

 

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I'll soon be using a 708 (tomorrow) and have a dumb question. Can the 708 normalize cable TV audio? It's so annoying when commercials jack up the volume 500 decibels and scare the crap out of us.

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I'll soon be using a 708 (tomorrow) and have a dumb question. Can the 708 normalize cable TV audio? It's so annoying when commercials jack up the volume 500 decibels and scare the crap out of us.

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Hi MDMurdock, yes by setting Dynamic Volume under Audyssey in Source Setup menu.
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For those who have used them, in your opinion what is the best extra channels to use? Front High, Front Wide or Surround Back?
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Awesome, thanks!
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From what I have read, using the additional fronts rather than the backs is the way to go. most folks prefer the heights over the wides.
My room is narrow and deep so I only used one back surround with my old Denon 7.1 receiver. I am going to most likely set up a pair of height speakers since my room is too narrow for wides, and leave the single back surround hooked up. The beauty of the 708 (and above??) is you can hook up all three pairs of speakers (back, wide, & height) and then select which pair to be active depending on what your source material is.

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I have a question, a few of the posters have mentioned that the Onkyo TX-NR808 can upconvert component video...does that mean it will upconvert my wii to 1080p?
I know an upconverted signal isnt a true 1080 signal, but if it can make a little improvement, its worth it for me. (then I can play my Wii more:P)

thanks for the answers in advance
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My NR708 'upconverts' my Xbox 360 720p signal (using the PC VGA input) to 1080p resulting in a slightly 'cleaner' looking picture on my 58" Samsung
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I have a question, a few of the posters have mentioned that the Onkyo TX-NR808 can upconvert component video...does that mean it will upconvert my wii to 1080p?
I know an upconverted signal isnt a true 1080 signal, but if it can make a little improvement, its worth it for me. (then I can play my Wii more:P)

thanks for the answers in advance
The 708 can also upconvert an incoming component video signal, but the output from the 708 to your TV has to be connected via HDMI.

The 808 can upconvert via HDMI to your TV as well as component out to your TV. So, if you have an old projection TV or something similar without HDMI then it's a nice feature.

I have the Wii hooked up to my Onkyo 708 and it certainly looks a little better upconverted to my TV.
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I have a question, a few of the posters have mentioned that the Onkyo TX-NR808 can upconvert component video...does that mean it will upconvert my wii to 1080p?
I know an upconverted signal isnt a true 1080 signal, but if it can make a little improvement, its worth it for me. (then I can play my Wii more:P)

thanks for the answers in advance
I believe the upconverting over component that the 808 has over the 708 refers to the ability to output upcoverted video over component vs only over HDMI like the 708. I believe both will upconvert a component input and output over HDMI. I could be mistaken.
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I believe the upconverting over component that the 808 has over the 708 refers to the ability to output upcoverted video over component vs only over HDMI like the 708. I believe both will upconvert a component input and output over HDMI. I could be mistaken.
That's correct. Both will take component (or any) input & upconvert it, but the 708 only outputs the upconverted signal over hdmi, while the 808 will output over hdmi or component.
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thanks, I have a 2 part question now...
I have a 2008 Mits 73" tv, and I have a NES/SNES/N64/Wii/PS3 hooked up to it
so I could upconvert all of these with either the 708 or 808, huh?
If I hook up the RF connector (i think that's what it was called) of the NES and SNES into the antenna labeled connector in the back, that would try to upconvert it too right?


and second, I'm looking at buying the EMPTEK E55Ti Tower Speakers (http://www.emptek.com/e55ti.php) and Hsu Research VTF-15H Sub (http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-15h.html)
would the extra 25 watts per channel make a noticeable difference in those speakers?
Does it mean I can make those speakers louder without losing quality or how does the wattage determine the performance?

thanks for the help, I think I'm going to order one of these 2 receivers today
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I have an upconvert question too! I'm a new 708 owner and loving it so far. I have it paired with a Panny TC-P50G20. Do most of you 708 owners upconvert all signals to 1080p? I was playing with the settings and have a hard time seeing the difference between a cable 1080i signal to 1080i straight though picture and a 1080i to 1080p upconvert.
Any suggestions or tips?

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I have an upconvert question too! I'm a new 708 owner and loving it so far. I have it paired with a Panny TC-P50G20. Do most of you 708 owners upconvert all signals to 1080p? I was playing with the settings and have a hard time seeing the difference between a cable 1080i signal to 1080i straight though picture and a 1080i to 1080p upconvert.
Any suggestions or tips?

Thanks!

No, I do not upconvert any signals. I run my Xbox 360 (older model w/no HDMI) through the 708's component input, along w/my Super Nintendo through the 708's S-Video input and run both to my TV via the 708's HDMI out in "through" mode, where the signal goes untouched. I let my TV do the work with any upconversion.
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thanks, I have a 2 part question now...
I have a 2008 Mits 73" tv, and I have a NES/SNES/N64/Wii/PS3 hooked up to it
so I could upconvert all of these with either the 708 or 808, huh?
If I hook up the RF connector (i think that's what it was called) of the NES and SNES into the antenna labeled connector in the back, that would try to upconvert it too right?

You should get a cheap S-Video cable for your SNES and N64. The best connection for these old systems, find em cheap on eBay, just use a keyword such as, "S-Video SNES" in your search. Run em through the 708's S-Video inputs, and out to your TV via the 708's HDMI out for best picture/results.
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I have an upconvert question too! I'm a new 708 owner and loving it so far. I have it paired with a Panny TC-P50G20. Do most of you 708 owners upconvert all signals to 1080p? I was playing with the settings and have a hard time seeing the difference between a cable 1080i signal to 1080i straight though picture and a 1080i to 1080p upconvert.
Any suggestions or tips?

Thanks!

Your TV is likely de-interlacing the 1080i signal when you pass it through untouched. So long as your TV does this as well as the 708, you wouldn't notice a difference. It's just a matter of which device you find does the conversion best.
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thanks, I have a 2 part question now...
I have a 2008 Mits 73" tv, and I have a NES/SNES/N64/Wii/PS3 hooked up to it
so I could upconvert all of these with either the 708 or 808, huh?
If I hook up the RF connector (i think that's what it was called) of the NES and SNES into the antenna labeled connector in the back, that would try to upconvert it too right?


and second, I'm looking at buying the EMPTEK E55Ti Tower Speakers (http://www.emptek.com/e55ti.php) and Hsu Research VTF-15H Sub (http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-15h.html)
would the extra 25 watts per channel make a noticeable difference in those speakers?
Does it mean I can make those speakers louder without losing quality or how does the wattage determine the performance?

thanks for the help, I think I'm going to order one of these 2 receivers today

If you are not planning on adding a power amp, then I'd definitely go for the 808. Yes, the amp section is better. The EMP speaker need a little more power being rated at 88db.
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No, bi-amping doesn't necessarily double your power. You split a single speaker by cutting or removing the connection between the high and low frequency drivers and connecting a separate channel from the amp to each half of the speaker.
I find that bi-amping my fronts improved clarity. It may depend on the type of speakers you have.

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For those who have used them, in your opinion what is the best extra channels to use? Front High, Front Wide or Surround Back?
For a 7.1 configuration, Audyssey recommends the following:

"One key finding from the research is that first side wall reflections play a great role in determining subjective impression. The most important direction of reflected sound was found to be ±60° relative to the front. Audyssey DSX provides a pair of Wide channels (LW and RW) at ±60° with appropriate frequency response and perceptual processing to match these requirements of human hearing.

These Wide channels are much more critical in the presentation of a realistic sound stage than the Back Surround channels found in traditional 7.1 systems.

Adding surround channels behind the listener has a very small impact compared to the increase in envelopment and sound stage width that the Wide channels provide. The next most important acoustical and perceptual cues come from reflections above the front stage. Audyssey DSX provides a pair of Height channels (LH and RH) that should be ideally positioned at a 45° elevation angle.

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Your TV is likely de-interlacing the 1080i signal when you pass it through untouched. So long as your TV does this as well as the 708, you wouldn't notice a difference. It's just a matter of which device you find does the conversion best.

Speaking of, which device would be better at up-conversion, the processor in the 708 or the one in a TV like the Panny TC-P65VT25 or the 75" Mitsu Laservue (the 2 TVs I'm agonizing over)?
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Speaking of, which device would be better at up-conversion, the processor in the 708 or the one in a TV like the Panny TC-P65VT25 or the 75" Mitsu Laservue (the 2 TVs I'm agonizing over)?
If you are agonizing over those two TV's, I'd consider something a lot better than the 708. :-)
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If you are agonizing over those two TV's, I'd consider something a lot better than the 708. :-)
The 708 does pretty much everything I need an AV receiver to do. But for the sake of discussion, what other receivers would you suggest that would better match the capabilities of said TVs?
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First of all you should know that I am somewhat high tech challenged. I can eventually get things figured out but it aint always easy. I am buying the 708 for the phono inputs. A lot of the other discussions in this thread kind of scare me a little, I do believe that with the help of this thread, I can do the updates OK. The audyssey feature sounds interesting and I do like some of the other features.
SPEAKERS. I would like to make use of what I have until the audio budget gets a built up again. What I have, I would like to make use of a set of vintage AR 91 speakers (4 ohm, another reason for the 708) that I plan on restoring, the 12 woofers need refoaming, help with this would be greatly appreciated. I also have a pair of Pro Dynamic Elite 901's that are 4 ohm. They don't sound to bad. Sitting in the basement are a pair of old Sony and a pair of old Mitsubishi Three ways. Both are in fine working order and are 8 ohm. I also have a set of Sony 5.1 surround speakers with a subwoofer that I was never to happy with. These are left over's from a Sony STR-K7200 AVR that the Onkyo is replacing. The room this system is going in is 12X20 and fully carpeted. The room also opens to two other rooms that are not very big, both rooms have pocket doors to isolate the AV room. I'm an old, play it loud rocker, Santana, The Boss, Stones, etc. that would like to achieve that good old thumping clean sound with the LP's, CD's and Tapes. But I also very much enjoy the high tech surround sound of today's TV, mostly sports, and Movies. (Yes I do listen to internet radio).
How can I best incorporate the 4ohm speakers in a 5.1, 5.0, 7.1, or 7.0 systems?
Which would be better for listening to LP's, CD's, and Tapes?
I like what I read about the front wide and front high feature that this receiver has. Are there any economy 4 ohm speakers out there that would work well with the ones I have for high speaker placement? How about Subs.? Maybe I should just build a couple of good 4 ohm speakers for the highs or wides? Or should I just forget about using the old stuff and stick with the cheap Sony system I have until I can get a new more modern set of speakers? I did order a new Polk CS-10 center speaker thinking I could use that with the old stuff. It could be returned or I could use it with the Sony speakers.
Do I have to give up the Rock sound to get a good Surround Sound?

Hey, I want to thank you for taking the time to read and respond to this post.
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Thanks

I feel as though I need to apologize to all of you who took the time to read this post pre-edit. I have downloaded the owner's manual and have had a chance to look at it a little. It seems as though I need to come up with a 4 ohm center speaker if I want to use the two sets of 4 ohmers that I have. The above post has been modified because I re-learned some stuff I seem to have forgotten. The Basis is the same though; I am struggling over speaker selection. Thanks again.

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Ok, so I have my 708 hooked up with all my sources, and I'd like to try the internet radio features. Problem is, my router is all the way in the den & I'd rather not run cable or set up a switch.

Has anyone tried hooking up the Onkyo using a media server or another device as a bridge? The manual only shows it hooked up directly to the router, but is has options for manual dhcp setup. I imagine I'd need a crossover ethernet cable, & I'd have to configure the other device as well.

Is this possible? And if so, would I take too much of a hit on the performance for it to be worth it?
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Ok, so I have my 708 hooked up with all my sources, and I'd like to try the internet radio features. Problem is, my router is all the way in the den & I'd rather not run cable or set up a switch.

Has anyone tried hooking up the Onkyo using a media server or another device as a bridge? The manual only shows it hooked up directly to the router, but is has options for manual dhcp setup. I imagine I'd need a crossover ethernet cable, & I'd have to configure the other device as well.

Is this possible? And if so, would I take too much of a hit on the performance for it to be worth it?

Buy a wireless-ethernet bridge or a wireless gaming adapter. Hook the receiver via straight Ethernet to the bridge/adapter and configure it for your wireless network.
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Buy a wireless-ethernet bridge or a wireless gaming adapter. Hook the receiver via straight Ethernet to the bridge/adapter and configure it for your wireless network.

Yeah, I was thinking that would be the recommendation... I just thought, since the computer is sitting right there next to the receiver anyway...

Guess I could start researching adapters (but I'm supposed to be spending Black Friday buying gifts for OTHER people!).
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Yeah, I was thinking that would be the recommendation... I just thought, since the computer is sitting right there next to the receiver anyway...

Guess I could start researching adapters (but I'm supposed to be spending Black Friday buying gifts for OTHER people!).

Computer is sitting next to it?

You can get a cheap Network card and install it or a USB->Ethernet and hook up the Onkyo directly via a cross-over Ethernet cable.

That's the easy part. Configuring the networking in windows to bridge the connection will be a bit harder, but you can get this done for less than $30, probably less than $20.
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Computer is sitting next to it?

You can get a cheap Network card and install it or a USB->Ethernet and hook up the Onkyo directly via a cross-over Ethernet cable.

That's the easy part. Configuring the networking in windows to bridge the connection will be a bit harder, but you can get this done for less than $30, probably less than $20.

It's a laptop, so cards are out... but it has an ethernet port, that'll work, yeah? Then all I should need is the crossover cable & setup, right?
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