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On the market for a $600-700 3D receiver for my HT. The living room dimensions are about 18'W x 45'L x 12'H (a long room with the HT set up in the middle). Here's my setup (all Klipsch, used for ~80% TV/movies & 20% music):

2 WF-35s (mains, 150W @ 8 ohms)
WC-34 (center)
WS-24 (surrounds)
XW-500d (sub)
& last but not least,
Panasonic P65VT25 plasma 3DTV

I'm not sure how much juice I'll need to power the system, but I'm guessing at least 120+W/channel. Ideally, I want HDMI 1.4 inputs for 3D, MultEQ XT (or atleast MultEQ & Dynamic EQ), and THX Ultra2 Certification (given the size of the room).

I've been looking at the Onkyo NR808 (no MultEQ XT or Ultra2), Onkyo NR1007 (no HDMI 1.4/3D), and the Denon AVR-991 (too expensive), but each of them is problematic in some way.

Please help! After many hours of rummaging through the threads & deal sites, any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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I thought the 1007 didnt have MultEQ XT. Just MultEQ.

In your price range try for a used Onkyo 876 or a 875/905. You might get lucky & find a used 906 in that price range as well. Another option is a used Denon 3808ci.
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The 1007 is going to be your best deal for MultEQ XT. Since it's last years model it doesn't have the HDMI 1.4 spec your looking for. If that's not a must is an excellent choice.

It's been a trend in the last couple of years that manufacturers are moving MultEQ XT to the higher tier receivers so if you want the 1.4 spec with MultEQ XT you're going to have to up the budget quite a bit.
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@tboo - I think the 1007 does, or at least that's one of the specs listed on amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-NR100.../dp/B002M78EPC). Is there somewhere that I can find used receivers other than ebay or craiglist?

@ Jakeman02 - I think HDMI 1.4 is more important to me than MultEQ XT (I can do with just MultEQ & Dynamic EQ).
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@tboo - I think the 1007 does, or at least that's one of the specs listed on amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-NR100.../dp/B002M78EPC). Is there somewhere that I can find used receivers other than ebay or craiglist?

@ Jakeman02 - I think HDMI 1.4 is more important to me than MultEQ XT (I can do with just MultEQ & Dynamic EQ).

You can get refurbed and sometimes new Onkyo's and Marantz's at accessories4less. Since HDMI 1.4 seems to be more important than the THX cert. you may want to also give a look at the H/K 1600/2600/3600. These don't use THX certs. or do they have HDMI 1.4, but all of them will 3D upgradeable in September with a firmware(free) upgrade from H/K. The 876 mentioned is not HDMI 1.4 either, although it does have everything else you want. So far this year there are few AVR's that will meet your requirements with the exception of the Pioneer Elite SC models. Both of those are problably out of your price range. Those H/K's will easily meets their specs and in some cases exceed them as for their power ratings. If previous test reports are to be believed they will easily exceed those specs and would qualify for that THX certification. Give those a serious look and google for the best prices.
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@tboo - I think the 1007 does, or at least that's one of the specs listed on amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-NR100.../dp/B002M78EPC). Is there somewhere that I can find used receivers other than ebay or craiglist?

@ Jakeman02 - I think HDMI 1.4 is more important to me than MultEQ XT (I can do with just MultEQ & Dynamic EQ).

You have to wait until 2011 when the 2010 products get cheaper because those are the only products that have HDMI 1.4 (I think?)

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@phantom52 - I'm guessing that the H/K 1600/2600/3600's don't have enough juice since they only put out 50/65/85W.

@penngray - I actually don't have a receiver right now, so I'm not sure if I can go without sound until 2011 haha.

Is the NR808 my best option for bang for buck (hoping there's not too big of a difference between THX Ultra2 and Select2)?
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@phantom52 - I'm guessing that the H/K 1600/2600/3600's don't have enough juice since they only put out 50/65/85W.

@penngray - I actually don't have a receiver right now, so I'm not sure if I can go without sound until 2011 haha.

Is the NR808 my best option for bang for buck (hoping there's not too big of a difference between THX Ultra2 and Select2)?

Those numbers you are getting from H/k are with ALL channels driven not just one or two as others rank theirs. If you look at that last few years test reports you will find that H/K is the ONLY one that does indeed meet their specs and in most bench test easily surpass them. Not Yamaha,Onkyo,Denon, or Pioneer. The 808 will not meet its specs either. If you look at the 807 bench test you will be very surprised at what it did with all channels driven. The 808 is on the same chasis, same power supply,same amps. Upgraded to HDMI 1.4 is about all. The 1008? Same thing.
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@phantom52 - I'm guessing that the H/K 1600/2600/3600's don't have enough juice since they only put out 50/65/85W.

@penngray - I actually don't have a receiver right now, so I'm not sure if I can go without sound until 2011 haha.

Is the NR808 my best option for bang for buck (hoping there's not too big of a difference between THX Ultra2 and Select2)?

Don't be fooled by the Harman Kardon's seemingly low power figures. HK has traditionally provided their power specs with "all channels driven". The 3600 is more than able to keep up with an Onkyo 708 with 110wpc or whatever it quotes for power. The Onkyo spec will almost certainly be 2 channels driven. Harman Kardon has always had outstanding amp sections. They have had some problems with HDMI connectivity in past models but the newer X600 models seem to be working fine.

The Onkyo NR808 would be an excellent choice - wait for the weekend and check NewEgg for a price drop.

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Ic. So the HK 3600 will have ample power for my 150 W mains? And will that be a better bargain than the NR808, which I can get for about $65 less?

Also, I'm assuming there's no workaround to use HDMI 1.4 with 1.3 inputs, since it is a hardware issue, correct?
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Ic. So the HK 3600 will have ample power for my 150 W mains? And will that be a better bargain than the NR808, which I can get for about $65 less?

Also, I'm assuming there's no workaround to use HDMI 1.4 with 1.3 inputs, since it is a hardware issue, correct?

judging from the specs of your speakers, WAY more than enough power...

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haha I guess I'm significantly overestimating how much power I need for my receiver. I'm not really sure how much I'll need.
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If you HDTV is not 1.4 then u have no need for a 3D receiver. in which case get the 1007.
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I have a 3DTV (specified above) with HDMI 1.4 inputs
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haha I guess I'm significantly overestimating how much power I need for my receiver. I'm not really sure how much I'll need.

well, just running a quickie calculation based only on the specs i looked at for the mains (97db sensitivity) and assuming the other 3 are somewhere in the same neighborhood and somewhat "normal" room positioning, if you applied 120 watts to them, the spl at a listening position 20 feet away would be 112db...

with 50 watts, it would still be 105db...

heck, with 1 watt, it would still be 88db...

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I have a 3DTV (specified above) with HDMI 1.4 inputs

If you are indeed interested in the H/K's I would contact them and ask exactly what their update to this line of AVR's will do. Their website states that a firmware update will be available in September that will make their current AVR's(1600/2600/3600/7550HD) 3D capable. They are at this time the only one capable of doing this. How, I don't know. As for the power from these AVR's, yes they are capable of driving most speakers. The lowest model along this line I would go for if you doubt their capability would be the 3600. These can be bought online for ~the same price or less in some cases as the Onkyo 808. They will deliver as promised. If you read owners post about their service it is second to none. There are many reports here and elsewhere about one of their components failing within warranty periods and those units being replaced with AVR's of a newer model. I have a H/K 3390 that is an awesome 2 channel receiver. I haven't had it long but it plays flawlessly and is powering 2 Paradigm Ref 40's without a hint of problems.
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