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post #481 of 2743 Old 02-18-2011, 02:44 PM
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I believe the Audyssey definetly has a greater affect on the midrange of the speakers. The dialogue was good before but is much more pronounced. The surrounds seem to be a little bit livlier also. I only have 1 sub in my system but am going to connect the second sub output to my built-in subs in my Definitive mains and see how that sounds. I am not an avid music listener but this could definetly change my mind. The vocals seem so much cleaner and have that "right there in the room" sound. Plus, even in stereo mode, which is how I mostly listen to music, the two speakers fill the room versus the 885.
As far as the 2 dynamic volumes, personally I don't use. I usually listen at reference levels. I also like the fact you can update the firmware via ethernet or USB. All-in-all, this unit surprised me. I understand the diminishing returns but I see enough difference to be very happy. It also helps ABT gave me a very good deal. Great service too.
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I believe the Audyssey definetly has a greater affect on the midrange of the speakers. The dialogue was good before but is much more pronounced. The surrounds seem to be a little bit livlier also. I only have 1 sub in my system but am going to connect the second sub output to my built-in subs in my Definitive mains and see how that sounds. I am not an avid music listener but this could definetly change my mind. The vocals seem so much cleaner and have that "right there in the room" sound. Plus, even in stereo mode, which is how I mostly listen to music, the two speakers fill the room versus the 885.
As far as the 2 dynamic volumes, personally I don't use. I usually listen at reference levels. I also like the fact you can update the firmware via ethernet or USB. All-in-all, this unit surprised me. I understand the diminishing returns but I see enough difference to be very happy. It also helps ABT gave me a very good deal. Great service too.
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I'm glad to hear you are happy with the SQ of the 5508 when compared to the 886. I have the 886 and I am very happy with it although I am looking to the future and the 5508 looks like it will be the one.

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I believe the Audyssey definetly has a greater affect on the midrange of the speakers. The dialogue was good before but is much more pronounced. The surrounds seem to be a little bit livlier also. I only have 1 sub in my system but am going to connect the second sub output to my built-in subs in my Definitive mains and see how that sounds. I am not an avid music listener but this could definetly change my mind. The vocals seem so much cleaner and have that "right there in the room" sound. Plus, even in stereo mode, which is how I mostly listen to music, the two speakers fill the room versus the 885.
As far as the 2 dynamic volumes, personally I don't use. I usually listen at reference levels. I also like the fact you can update the firmware via ethernet or USB. All-in-all, this unit surprised me. I understand the diminishing returns but I see enough difference to be very happy. It also helps ABT gave me a very good deal. Great service too.
Hi,

Thanks for the response.

I gather, that you are not interested in DSX, but regardless, you've changed your mind and plan to keep the 5508?

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Yes, I finally demoed enough material back and forth that convinced me. I may end up using the DSX but for right now, no. The rear surrounds will stay.
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Just placed my order for the 5508 and the 5500 amp.

Had a question for all the owners.. i plan to use my 5508 mainly as a switcher for different HDMI sources (video processing will be turned off)

If someone can please confirm that if i use the 'pure audio' mode, the audessy settings/DSP will still be in effect?
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If someone can please confirm that if i use the 'pure audio' mode, the audessy settings/DSP will still be in effect?

If you use the Pure Audio or Direct mode Audyssey and DSP modes can not be used.

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But you can use the through mode for minimal video processing whilst retaining Audyssey There is a straight decode mode for audio that works well with blu rays and Audyssey.
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Thanks for the info Bill.

What would be the ideal listening mode if i wanted to have the same sound as the source (for example, bluray film with DTS-HD ..listening mode would be? ) and get the audesy calibration effect?
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What would be the ideal listening mode if i wanted to have the same sound as the source (for example, bluray film with DTS-HD ..listening mode would be? ) and get the audesy calibration effect?

Straight decode with the BlueRay player sending bitstream.
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Thanks for the info Bill.

What would be the ideal listening mode if i wanted to have the same sound as the source (for example, bluray film with DTS-HD ..listening mode would be? ) and get the audesy calibration effect?

I use DTS-HD for DTS-HD audio and the same for TrueHD. Although some like the THX listening modes but I have never tried them. I must add that I do not have the 5508 but the 886. When you get the 5508 you can try different listening modes and then determine which ones you like best.

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from the manual: The “Straight Decode” option means that straight decoding listening mode (Dolby Digital, DTS, etc.) is selected. Basically it reads the bitstream and automatically selects the matching decoding process.
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thanks for the info Hulkss.. thats exactly what i was looking for.. something i can set on the processor to automatically select the same listening mode as the source coming in and still get the effect of Audyssey

THANKS EVERYONE!!
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Whenever I press the THX-button (under "Listening Mode") on the remote control an error message shows up ("mode unavailable" or something like that). I haven't found any explanation in the manual as to why this might happen.

What am I missing here? Any help would be appreciated.
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Whenever I press the THX-button (under "Listening Mode") on the remote control an error message shows up ("mode unavailable" or something like that). I haven't found any explanation in the manual as to why this might happen.

What am I missing here? Any help would be appreciated.

what source?
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what source?

Here's the info about the source:

Hardware: Oppo BDP-83 SE
Software: Universal Soldier 3 (Blu-Ray movie)
Audio: DTS-HD MA (I believe it's 7.1)

I haven't tried other movies yet.
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Another thing:

What is the easiest way to completely bypass the 5508's video processing? I've used the "DVD + Return"-button combo to disable the video processing and set video resolution to "Through", but I'm not sure if more things need to be done. I have an Oppo 93 and I don't want the AV processor to mess with the video signal.
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With video set to through I was under the impression all processing was bypassed.

"Unplugging the signal cable is pretty much the ultimate in component isolation. Now if you removed the AC power and it still did it you should look for the little blond girl saying "they're he-re."
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Here's the info about the source:

Hardware: Oppo BDP-83 SE
Software: Universal Soldier 3 (Blu-Ray movie)
Audio: DTS-HD MA (I believe it's 7.1)

I haven't tried other movies yet.

That mode should be available. Have you looked at the Listening Modes section of the setup menu?

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With video set to through I was under the impression all processing was bypassed.

I thought that as well. Now I am getting the impression that even "through" is not a straight wire.

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I thought that as well. Now I am getting the impression that even "through" is not a straight wire.

My 5008 blocks audio even though HDMI is set to 'through', maybe this is similar.
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That mode should be available. Have you looked at the Listening Modes section of the setup menu?

Yes, I've actually tried every combination, but the THX-modes are not available. I've also tried different movies and 5.1 sources.
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I thought that as well. Now I am getting the impression that even "through" is not a straight wire.

I wish there was a FAQ for the 5508. I find it odd that it's so difficult (or unclear) to simply turn off or bypass the video processing.

On my previous Denon 4810 it's clearly explained how to bypass the videoprocessor. A few years ago I also had a THX Ultra 2 Denon preamp/processor and I had no problem enabling THX modes on that equipment. In my opinion, the Onkyo documentation is really bad. I received my Oppo 93 today, and the user manual for this player is exemplary, and represents a huge contrast to the Onkyo documentation.
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You aren't using the analog outputs of your Oppo are you? If you are, post processing cannot be used.
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You aren't using the analog outputs of your Oppo are you? If you are, post processing cannot be used.

No, I'm using HDMI (the audio is bitstreamed to the Onkyo)
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What is the small connector on the back panel between the HDMI OUT SUB jack and the PC IN port?
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What is the small connector on the back panel between the HDMI OUT SUB jack and the PC IN port?
M a n u a l.
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I don't see it in the manual that's why I'm asking here.
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I don't see it in the manual that's why I'm asking here.

Indeed, it's shown on the rear diagram in the manual and visible in all of the pictures, but there is no label on it or any mention of it anywhere. It looks a bit like a mini-USB, but since it has no labels maybe it has some service function and is not for users.
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Indeed, it's shown on the rear diagram in the manual and visible in all of the pictures, but there is no label on it or any mention of it anywhere. It looks a bit like a mini-USB, but since it has no labels maybe it has some service function and is not for users.

I don't see it in the diagram in the manual? It is in the pictures on the Onkyo website and on pictures of the Integra 80.2. There is another (but different) mystery connector between the ground screw and the Phono inputs.
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I don't see it in the diagram in the manual? It is in the pictures on the Onkyo website and on pictures of the Integra 80.2. There is another (but different) mystery connector between the ground screw and the Phono inputs.

Not in the diagram, but in the pics. Along with the new one you just mentioned. They look like they are in the same "family" .. I'll bet that they are for something a tech would do.

Or maybe you could stick a small screwdriver in and see what happens?

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