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I completely missed the "veil."

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Well to be honest going from the 706 to a non "upgraded" 5508 should give improvements in SQ if you are familiar with both processors. To be honest if you were just interested in opinions of others going from one processor as the 706 to the 5508 there was no need to mention TUC or burn in time. You chose to mention that and with TUC's "colorful" history here on AVS you would understand my "veiled jocular cynicism".

Not to be combative but I will never understand why anyone would have an audio component "modded" without even listening to it. By doing this one has no way of knowing if the "mods" done have improved SQ in the least. Doesn't make any sense to me at all.

I will now put my veil and jock back on.

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The mention of TUC/burn in was to id the specifics of the switch. I agree, but there were other considerations other than SQ. I have tried to stay on the "side" and learn from you guys but my attempt to confirm the reality of my exuberance over immediate SQ difference got me into this. I guess that if a platform that is "built to a price point" is so well accepted, there may be the possibility of not reaching "zero sum gain" by investing in "modding" it. To some no sense at all but to others long term investment sense.
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I have no doubt that it sounds stunning!

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Thanks for the reply guys, it is not getting to me dropping the 4311 (despite the nice GUI, I think I can live without it) and deciding between 3008 (to save some cash) or the 5508...provided that I can find a dealer who offers me a good price. I am talking about a $400 - $450 (or less of course ) price difference between the 3008 and 5508.
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I minimize relay clicks on my 5508 by setting the listening mode preset to "Direct" mode for 2 channel audio. My UVerse DVR is nasty at doing audio dropouts for non HD channels.
It seems Uverse and DirecTv have the biggest problems with dropouts and relay clicks. I would switch out of Directv but the NFL Sunday ticket has me by the short hairs.

I tried all the suggestions to alleviate the problem but after awhile I gave up and went back to my 886 which is as quiet as a church mouse.

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It seems Uverse and DirecTv have the biggest problems with dropouts and relay clicks. I would switch out of Directv but the NFL Sunday ticket has me by the short hairs.

I tried all the suggestions to alleviate the problem but after awhile I gave up and went back to my 886 which is as quiet as a church mouse.

Interesting ...all this clicking being talked about
Surely Onkyo has to realize that this is an issue
Perhaps an upgrade they will include in the next series?

I have Direc TV as well...and have the 885
The 5508 is on my short list...but the information I am hearing makes me think if I am going to buy it...and live with its faults..it need to be under $1K


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Interesting ...all this clicking being talked about
Surely Onkyo has to realize that this is an issue
Perhaps an upgrade they will include in the next series?

I have Direc TV as well...and have the 885
The 5508 is on my short list...but the information I am hearing makes me think if I am going to buy it...and live with its faults..it need to be under $1K


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If it's far enough away from the main LP or in an enclosed cabinet then it's not a big deal. My 80.1 was about 15 feet away from my LP and the clicking was way too loud for me. My friend uses the 80.1 and also has DirecTv but he doesn't have the same trouble but his components are in a closet.

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Interesting ...all this clicking being talked about
Surely Onkyo has to realize that this is an issue

Here's something else: using Pandora built into the 5508, Pandora clicks between every song. But, when I listen to Pandora on my WDTV Live Hub (which is connected to the 5508 through HDMI) there is no clicking whatsoever.
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it's either an earthing issue or it's a source issue with playback..

i'd say look at your signal from cable box, I suspect click might be due to signal quality of service, or it's the constant back and forth motion from 5.1 channel 2.0 stereo mode, you'll need to make a choice use standard audio codecs or choose to run plIIx as this may correct any trouble you are having watching tv station that have adverts on them..
if you're goign to watch dedicated movies you can always switch it back, with cd and dvd media you're pretty much in the of the reproduction process of the disc itself. poor quality disc expect to hear pits and whistles in playback..
same with blue ray. quality can be hit and miss pretty much...
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I have an Integra DHC 80.2 and am wondering if anyone has had a chance to compare it to the SC5508.
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I have an Integra DHC 80.2 and am wondering if anyone has had a chance to compare it to the SC5508.
Would you really expect any difference between the 2?
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I have an Integra DHC 80.2 and am wondering if anyone has had a chance to compare it to the SC5508.
There should be no difference at all. The only difference I can think of is the 5508 has a Pure Audio mode that the 80.2 does not have. I could never understand why the Onkyos have the Pure Audio mode and the Integras do not.

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I have an Integra DHC 80.2 and am wondering if anyone has had a chance to compare it to the SC5508.

The 5508 is better. On the 80.2 thread, the 80.2 is better.
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Would you really expect any difference between the 2?

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Of course, there's a huge difference between the two prepros.








The Integra has a silver volume knob and the Onkyo has a black volume knob!!

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The Integra has a silver volume knob and the Onkyo has a black volume knob!!
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I have read a silver volume knob will add increased clarity and a broader soundstage over a black volume knob. Thats why I painted my 886's volume knob silver. It makes a huge difference IMO.

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I have read a silver volume knob will add increased clarity and a broader soundstage over a black volume knob. Thats why I painted my 886's volume knob silver. It makes a huge difference IMO.

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Thought I got on a comedian forum when I read all the replies. Don't lose your day jobs guys. The Upgrade Company's website claims that the 5508 is built to "Pro" standards unlike the 80.2. I was curious if anyone had a chance to compare the two. Tough crowd.
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The Upgrade Company's website claims that the 5508 is built to "Pro" standards unlike the 80.2.

Well, the 5508 does have that front panel door.............

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I have read a silver volume knob will add increased clarity and a broader soundstage over a black volume knob. Thats why I painted my 886's volume knob silver. It makes a huge difference IMO.

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I am looking at getting the following:

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Choice A

Onkyo PR-SC5508- THX Ultra2 Plus Certified, 9.2-Channel Network A/V
PA-MC5500- THX Ultra2 9-Channel Power Amplifier

Retail: $3898.00

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Choice B

TX-NR5008- THX Ultra2 Plus Certified 3-D Ready 9.2 Channel Network Receiver

Retail $2700

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I just CAN'T decide if the separates are worth the extra $1300. Other than weight the specs are IDENTICAL. Same features, same power, etc.

So what do I get for the $1300 AND well I ever be able to tell the difference? I like the simplicity, one box solution vs two, and the lack of hook-up cables for the receiver. Also, it seams you will get a "cleaner" signal by not having to use RCA cables to hook up the amp.

Lastly, should I use XLR or RCA cables? The XLR are nearly twice as much as RCA. Any difference? I highly doubt either unit is truly balanced end to end.

Please help me decide!

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So what do I get for the $1300 AND well I ever be able to tell the difference? I like the simplicity, one box solution vs two, and the lack of hook-up cables for the receiver. Also, it seams you will get a "cleaner" signal by not having to use RCA cables to hook up the amp.

Lastly, should I use XLR or RCA cables? The XLR are nearly twice as much as RCA. Any difference? I highly doubt either unit is truly balanced end to end.

Please help me decide!

The only time balanced lines are needed are for long runs and/or in high RF/EMI environments. Absent those, you are wasting your money. I will add that some people cite the more positive locking mechanism of XLR connectors, but my reply is that I rarely move my gear so that's not an issue for me.

Cables between pre/pro and power amp vs. internal wiring? Well, I know my cables are well made and shielded. I'd guess that a high end AVR is properly designed as well, but I don't know for sure.

That's my take on your issues.

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I just CAN'T decide if the separates are worth the extra $1300. Other than weight the specs are IDENTICAL. Same features, same power, etc.

Brian,

The 5008 is a fine AVR. I would suggest if you are leaning towards separates look at amps from Emotiva or used on Audiogon. No real need to match the 5508 with the Onkyo amp unless you want the look of matched components.

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The only time balanced lines are needed are for long runs and/or in high RF/EMI environments. Absent those, you are wasting your money. I will add that some people cite the more positive locking mechanism of XLR connectors, but my reply is that I rarely move my gear so that's not an issue for me.

Cables between pre/pro and power amp vs. internal wiring? Well, I know my cables are well made and shielded. I'd guess that a high end AVR is properly designed as well, but I don't know for sure.

That's my take on your issues.

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Internal connections may be subject to RF pickup. In addition power supplies for receivers are almost never as robust as separate amps. You will need to look at the 7 or 9 channel all on spec to make comparisons
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I was trying to be Fair and Balanced.
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I was trying to be Fair and Balanced.

you were being fair and balanced.


I thought I was providing some more details so that a fair and balanced study would lead perhaps to an accurate assessment.

Is there an AVR on the market that can drive 7 speakers at once at 200 watts with less than 0.1 thd distortion?
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you were being fair and balanced.


I thought I was providing some more details so that a fair and balanced study would lead perhaps to an accurate assessment.

Is there an AVR on the market that can drive 7 speakers at once at 200 watts with less than 0.1 thd distortion?

I don't think I've ever seen the power amp sections of AVRs tested/rated the way component power amps are. To me, that speaks volumes.

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yup sadly i would have to say a power amp is vastly superior to what avr amp section, as most 7.x channel use a 3x4 2 toroidal amp configuration.

maybe if they used 1 toroidal per speaker you may see a better comparison between a power amp and avr's amp section, until that happens we will continue to see full rate of power vs half to 3 quarters power driven over seven channels... loosing between 15-25 watts per channel all channels driven..
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The only time balanced lines are needed are for long runs and/or in high RF/EMI environments. Absent those, you are wasting your money. I will add that some people cite the more positive locking mechanism of XLR connectors, but my reply is that I rarely move my gear so that's not an issue for me.

Cables between pre/pro and power amp vs. internal wiring? Well, I know my cables are well made and shielded. I'd guess that a high end AVR is properly designed as well, but I don't know for sure.

That's my take on your issues.

I have a Oppo BDP-95 connected to a 5507 preamp with both the RCA and XLR connections. For 2 channel music, they sound different. A bit better bass extension with the XLR. I do not think it has anything to do with the cable, my guess is the Preamp is handling them differently.

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I have a Oppo BDP-95 connected to a 5507 preamp with both the RCA and XLR connections. For 2 channel music, they sound different. A bit better bass extension with the XLR. I do not think it has anything to do with the cable, my guess is the Preamp is handling them differently.

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They operate at different signal levels .. balanced is 6dB higher. I would have thought that that would have been compensated for, but maybe not and that would result in the balanced being louder and account for the fuller sound.

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They operate at different signal levels .. balanced is 6dB higher. I would have thought that that would have been compensated for, but maybe not and that would result in the balanced being louder and account for the fuller sound.

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The levels are compensated for.
However, the signal paths are different. Listening modes can be applied to the XLR but not the 7.1 analog. That would suggest that the 7.1 could be cleaner since the signal cannot be digitized.

This is a noticeable but small difference. My point is that these can sound different for many reasons and probably not the cable.

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while you might not to much from player to processor, from processor to amp you will notice it more.. pending on the speaker you're driving and speaker configuration you're using..


xlr will be better in the long run, given it has a ground wire..

you may even get a better sound if you go xlr to the speakers

though the amp you use will need to support xlr output
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How is that better than the grounded shield of an unbalanced cable?
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