Originally Posted by spike9876
I'm really leaning towards the 5508 but wanted to get some opinions...
When you say better movie performance... Are you referring to sound or picture quality ?
By the way, I would like to check out prices... can anyone point me to a online retailer that I can purchase online ?
Just to be clear I have not compared the 5508 to the 4311, rather it was a comparison between the 4311 and the Onkyo 886 pre-pro that I had on hand.
Musically they are very similar but for movies the SQ of the 886 was better than the 4311 in that it was more dynamic with a bigger soundstage. It was very easy to hear the difference and they were both connected via the same RCA cables and all other components were the same, the only difference was the 4311 vs the 886.
I do know that Chris from Audyssey mentioned that manufacturers are able to implement Audyssey into there products in regards to x-overs. This is why he has said to go back and change the x-over back to 80hz all around once the calibration is done. I do not know exactly what else the mfg. can control but I can tell you for sure that Audyssey in the Denon 4311 and Onkyo 886 are just different in regards to the EQ applied to the subs. My normal routine is to set my SMS-1 with all the EQ levels 0 and Polarity + and Phase at 0 so it is out of the equation. With the Denon 4311 I have to go back after XT32 does it's things and tweak it out with the SMS-1 after to get it flatter. With the Onkyo 886 it surprised me in that it hardly needed any additional EQ from the SMS-1, I really could have just removed the SMS-1.
Now before everyone asks I did follow the procedure for Audyssey calibration using the handy Audyssey guide here at the AVS. I used a mic boom arm and measured the maximum 8 locations at ear height and followed the same routine for both the 4311 and 886 which were both in my rack at the same time to facilitate comparison. I did go back after Audyssey calibration and set all my speakers to 80hz and the sub x-over to 80hz as well then used my Galaxy CM-140
to verify a 75db level for all my speakers and subs. I even went as far as using the Dayton Omnimic
I had at the time to verify levels when I was going back and forth between the 4311 and 886. The dynamic impact of the 886 for movies was enough for me to even use the available test discs I had on hand to check levels coming out of my Oppo BDP-83 for all the channels to make sure the Onkyo was not boosting the HDMI signal.
After all that I just couldn't keep the 4311 even though it had the more advanced Audyssey XT32 and better ergonomics than the 886. I am not arrogant enough to say that the 4311 won't be better than the 886 or 5508 in someone else's system. I am just fortunate enough to be able to try what I want in my own system and make up my mind for my-self.
The only reason I have not bought the 5508 yet is because in my current system it would be close enough that any relay clicks would be too annoying. I had a Integra 80.1 for about a month that I had to get rid of because the relay clicks were too much to handle. I am in escrow on a new home that would have a dedicated space for a HT and a room next to it to hide the components. This is when I will get the 5508 as relay clicks won't be a problem in another room.
From all the comments I am really looking forward to getting the 5508. Just in case though, I am not selling my 886 until I know for certain that it has been replaced for good.
As far as video I didn't notice a difference besides the fact that the 4311 switch inputs faster than the 886. I am more of an audio guy though, video is secondary to me.