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Be prepared to be delighted.

I have a 5508 on the way as well...to replace an 885

I am also selling my 2 channel ( for music only) preamp

I will report back after I install and report if I am "delighted"


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Onkyo has released a new firmware update for 3008/5008/5508 today. Can't wait to get back home and resume my Audyssey Pro calibration! I hope this firmware resolves my issues.
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Onkyo has released a new firmware update for 3008/5008/5508 today. Can't wait to get back home and resume my Audyssey Pro calibration! I hope this firmware resolves my issues.

Were your issues related to AudysseyPro? If so, how?

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Were your issues related to AudysseyPro? If so, how?

I have been getting communication issues with Audyssey Pro mic and the 5508, and was told that the new firmware would address those issues. I have read the release notes on the new firmware, but, do not see anything about communication issues. Will know if it works (or not).
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I have been getting communication issues with Audyssey Pro mic and the 5508, and was told that the new firmware would address those issues. I have read the release notes on the new firmware, but, do not see anything about communication issues. Will know if it works (or not).

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Onkyo has released a new firmware update for 3008/5008/5508 today. Can't wait to get back home and resume my Audyssey Pro calibration! I hope this firmware resolves my issues.

The update was a breeze. I just downloaded and completed it via online connection and it took a total of about 3 minutes to download and write to the 5508. I am surprised. When I got it about 6 weeks ago and tried it it the process froze. I ended up doing via USB which was very quick also. Between the two, over the network is faster.

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What was improved in this release? Anyone tried already?
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What was improved in this release? Anyone tried already?

It was just to make setting internet stations easier from wat I read.

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The update was a breeze. I just downloaded and completed it via online connection and it took a total of about 3 minutes to download and write to the 5508. I am surprised. When I got it about 6 weeks ago and tried it it the process froze. I ended up doing via USB which was very quick also. Between the two, over the network is faster.

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My 5508 froze after the upgrade and I'm getting a message 'MMPU setting' on the front channel. Hard reset does not seem to work as well. I tried with net first and then tried USB. What did you do to unlock it in your case? Onkyo support asked me to get a replacement from the dealer, but I would rather not go thru that process.
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My 5508 froze after the upgrade and I'm getting a message 'MMPU setting' on the front channel. Hard reset does not seem to work as well. I tried with net first and then tried USB. What did you do to unlock it in your case? Onkyo support asked me to get a replacement from the dealer, but I would rather not go thru that process.
THanks..

I pulled the power plug in the rear. Let it sit for a minute and plugged it back in. When you do it just reverts back to the previous settings.

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It was just to make setting internet stations easier from wat I read.

Ha. Not worth the effort then
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Ha. Not worth the effort then

I found the link I read reffering to this update. Here it is: http://www.eu.onkyo.com/press/press_...n_8752804.html

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The service area link did not provide any more info on what is in the firmware but it did give some good precautions. Turning off rihd is important as well as not using the device for hdmi at time of update.
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From some "unofficial" sources here in Europe, it appears that the next:

- 3009 will be a 9 channels receiver, bur with a 11.2 processing capacity,
- 5009 will be a 11 channels receiver,
- 5509 wil be a 11 channels processor.

Now concerning this last 5509 product, it is still unclear if it is going to be 'Installer Ready", meaning if it will be compatible with the use of the Audyssyey Pro kit, the way a 5508 is.

Now if this capacity was omitted on the 5509, that would simply be a shame on part of Onkyo...

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Hi Hugo,

Thanks for the information.

If I were a betting man I would bet that the upcoming Integras and Onkyo prepro have 11.2 channels. It has been announced that the Denon flagship prepro will be upgraded to add this capability, and that should serve as incentive to Integra/Onkyo. Conversely while it is unclear whether Denon will also be offering DTS Neo:X, Denon can read Integra/Onkyo's plans as we can so I doubt they would pass on adding this feature.

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The service area link did not provide any more info on what is in the firmware but it did give some good precautions. Turning off rihd is important as well as not using the device for hdmi at time of update.

Service link? The link In the post above yours only mentioned Internet radio. And I'd guess we won't get Kal to divulge what he knows ...
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Sorry about that, but after reading all about DTS Neo:X on the DTS site, I guess I did the wrong thing by assuming it would be 11.2 capable (using 2 external Amps) after seeing Onkyo's claim about it being the first AVR to support DTS Neo:X. Clearly, now that I have seen the brochure, it is only 9.2.

DTS Neo:X was designed for 11.1, so Onkyo have made a huge mistake here, again.

Hi,

Well, if Hugo's information is correct there will be other receivers and prepros that have 11.2, so don't dispair.

I recently upgraded to a 3D projector. I bought an inexpensive, but very capable HDMI switch so I can bypass my current Onkyo PR-SC886 prepro when I view 3D Blu-rays. This permits me to defer upgrading my Onkyo until I see a compelling collection of new features, in addition to of course HDMI 1.4a switching. Nonetheless, it seems that upgrading is inevitable sooner or later. The following new features interest me.
  • Audyssey MultEQ XT32
  • Sub EQ HT
  • 11.2 channels with both DSX and DTS Neo:X

Also I believe that soon DTS will be offering its competing room correction processing. It will be interesting to see which preamplifier is the first to offer it. Whereas its feasible to offer both Audyssey DSX and DTS Neo:X surround processing in the same device, I doubt two room corrections processes would be feasible.

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Also I believe that soon DTS will be offering its competing room correction processing. It will be interesting to see which preamplifier is the first to offer it.

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DTS is coming out with a room correction product? Geez, no wonder Audussey is pushing into other products. RC is about to be commoditized.

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DTS is coming out with a room correction product? Geez, no wonder Audussey is pushing into other products. RC is about to be commoditized.

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Hi Jeff,

Yes, I think so. As you know historically DTS hasn't developed proprietary products to be exclusively installed in their own hardware, as is the case with say Harman, Yamaha, Pioneer, etc. So if we get an indication that DTS is entering the room correction market we can reasonably assume that there is now another major player in the licensed room correction product market. Whereas I doubt that Harman would ever use someone else's room correction, I can envision a situation where Yamaha and Pioneer might want to get out of developing and maintaining room correction processing if it turns out there are now two competing products that can be licensed. For manufacturers such as Denon and Onkyo/Integra I think it will be difficult for DTS to dislodge Audyssey, but the proof is in the pudding and if DTS is more effective, faster, more customizable, etc. then who knows.

Here's the abstract of an AES paper that James Johnson presented this month. When a commercial product will actually be available for licensing is unknown, but this should be considered a warning shot in front of the Audyssey ship's bow.

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DTS Multichannel Audio Playback System: Characterization and Correction

Room correction methods are commonplace in the home audio-video equipment. One goal of these systems is to correct frequency deviation of loudspeaker/room response from some desired target curve. Unfortunately this frequency correction may be appropriate only in small area around the microphone location. Some room correction algorithms capture the room responses at multiple locations and combine them to obtain a representative response used for frequency correction. We will present a loudspeaker / room correction system that achieves perceptually appropriate frequency correction in a wide listening area by using closely spaced non-coincident multi-microphone structure placed in a single location in the room. By use of special probing signals we achieve our goal within short measurement period.

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Hi Kal,

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I have been getting communication issues with Audyssey Pro mic and the 5508, and was told that the new firmware would address those issues.

If this is to be correct and I have no doubt that it is... Kal, next time something like that happens, could you please, just try to test this type of product a bit earlier... as I also have no doubt that your findings/problems where decisive in Onkyo finally providing a solution to this potential Audyssey Pro access problem on the 5508...

Hopefully all this won't be forgotten on the 5509...

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. RC is about to be commoditized.

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It already is IMO

For those that have a desire for 11.2

what are you looking to utilize in 11.2?

I can see 7.1 and then the second zone....and I guess there are about 10 movies( to date) in 7.1. I do understand planning ahead but

why the drive for 11.2?.... is it just to run multiple zones

Generally speaking...I don't like to listen to any movie or music other than the way it was encoded

I know there was a big deal made about the new Dolby system to make older stereo and prologic recordings sound better. I was never on that band wagon..meaning I never thought it was all that great

also..and this may have been addressed before
Has anyone ever A/B'ed the Onkyo 5508/Integra 80.2 and the corresponding Onkyo/Integra receivers( utilized as preamps) to see if there was any real difference in sonic quality?

It seems that a lot of people in these forums buy a higher end receiver with the sole intention of using it as a preamp


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Go to menu in the link. Go to service. Go to firmware. Note precautions for this update but no new info
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Hi Larry,

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*Audyssey MultEQ XL32

You probably meant MultEQ XT32...

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*11.2 channels with both DSX and DTS Neo:X

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In my opinion the initial concept of DSX was never meant to be 11.2. The best example being what Chris has always said: DSX only adds W+H channels...

Meaning though that if a signal (which is the case in 99% of cases) is 5.1, DSX only knows to process 9.2 (W+H). And if one wants the "full glory" of 11.2, this can only be obtained through a hybrid configuration, incorporating DSX associated with DPL IIx or DTS Neo... An experience that I personnaly made (when I had an Denon A100) and that I didn't like.

So this new DTS Neo X is really innovative per se, as we are now offered for the first time, a complete 11.x processing... And this is maybe why Onkyo limited its previous series to only 9.2 processing... But now with Neo X why not go further as this is a completely "integrated" (at least ?) 11 processing...

Now somewhere here on AVS, Roger D. has stated that the approch/process of creating the W+H channels is different between DSX and DTS. I'm though very interested to hear this new product, as in my opinion DSX 9.2 W+H gives a VERY impressing result (with the 5508), so let's see now what will be the DTS's added value with this full 11.2 processing.

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  • Audyssey MultEQ XL32

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Hi Larry,



You probably meant MultEQ XT32...

Hi Hugo,

Haven't you heard?





Audyssey is soon to release the new and improved eXra Large version of MultEQ?

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My problems with Audyssey pro continue. I still get the mic not connected message even after the firmware update.

How do I rule out that the problem is not with Audyssey? Or if it is?
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My problems with Audyssey pro continue. I still get the mic not connected message even after the firmware update.

How do I rule out that the problem is not with Audyssey? Or if it is?

You could try using the mic as a source. Leave it connected to the input used for setup - turn the volume way down - and select that input. If you can tap the mic and hear it from the left front channel, then the mic/preamp is working.
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What do you mean "communication issues?"

Well two issues:

1. I cannot connect with the USB. The only way to connect is using the network (LAN)
2. The microphone is not being detected during the calibration. I get an alert saying that mic not found or something like that.

Issue 1 I can live with since I anyway use the network to connect pro. However issue 2 is a show stopper and it's been almost 3 weeks since I raised this issue with Audyssey and Onkyo. I was told to wait till the firmware was released and see if would resolve my issues.

I am getting frustrated by all this to say the least.
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Now somewhere here on AVS, Roger D. has stated that the approch/process of creating the W+H channels is different between DSX and DTS. I'm though very interested to hear this new product, as in my opinion DSX 9.2 W+H gives a VERY impressing result (with the 5508), so let's see now what will be the DTS's added value with this full 11.2 processing.

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Hi Hugo,

Here?

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Neo:X (like PLIIz) does not synthesize new sounds--all the outputs are extracted from the source. DSX generates room reflections that were not present in the original recording.

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Well two issues:

1. I cannot connect with the USB. The only way to connect is using the network (LAN)
2. The microphone is not being detected during the calibration. I get an alert saying that mic not found or something like that.

Issue 1 I can live with since I anyway use the network to connect pro. However issue 2 is a show stopper and it's been almost 3 weeks since I raised this issue with Audyssey and Onkyo. I was told to wait till the firmware was released and see if would resolve my issues.

I am getting frustrated by all this to say the least.

Jeff ' suggestions are good; make sure the cable from the preamp is in the correct RCA in put and attached to the preamp out. Make sure the cable from the mic goes to the pre amp in. Then tune to the correct input and see if you hear the mic when you clap.
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Service link? The link In the post above yours only mentioned Internet radio. And I'd guess we won't get Kal to divulge what he knows ...

What I know now is that the issue I am dealing with has not been addressed in this update. I will remain obscure until I have something explicit to report.

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Here's the abstract of an AES paper that James Johnson presented this month.

Reminds me of Trinnov's mic array.

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