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Interesting
I would have thought..based on some comments that you had made that you had demo'ed them

But anyway
IMO..you should go to a dealer that sells both and listen to them and see if you have the same outlook
My thought is you won't...though I understand more is typically at play than just what you think is better....usually there is something else($$$) involved
Otherwise I would have an Anthem D2V in my family room vs the Onkyo 5508

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IMO you should go to a dealer that allows you to audition the D2V at home. How can you tell if the difference your hearing is the room, speakers, amps and what not if your comparing a pre-amp at a dealers showroom?
Unless the pre-amps are in the same showroom, hooked up to the exact same equipment and the levels are exactly the same then any comparisons are going to be flawed.

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My dc-1 is in another room it is the latest model of that era with dts. I have it in the living room with my b&w801s- same era and a carver 1.5t

For chamber music the dc-1 does a very credible job. Of course the speakers are very good as well.

However xt32 with 2.2 martin Logan vantage + two subs is much better for blues and choral. So the 80.2 gets most of our serious listening these days

Neat that the old system is still humming along though.

I thought the lexicon products got way over priced and not competitive in the late 90's. The remarketing of the oppo blu ray was a bad joke
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IMO you should go to a dealer that allows you to audition the D2V at home. How can you tell if the difference your hearing is the room, speakers, amps and what not if your comparing a pre-amp at a dealers showroom?
Unless the pre-amps are in the same showroom, hooked up to the exact same equipment and the levels are exactly the same then any comparisons are going to be flawed.
Understood
And to add to that..I also need to bring home the 80.2..because I really can't be certain it sounds like the 5508
So..I am really dealing with more variables than you mentioned

The rooms at the dealers showroom were identical in size and room treatments....different sides of the hallway
But...different amps...and there were various sets of speakers in each room

As I said before...what I heard in HT( from the Integra) was 90% of the Anthem...music was 60% of the Anthem


But more than likely... better speakers , better room treatments, and better amps etc could make both unit sound better than I heard them

But I think the difference, using the same connected equipment, would keep the percentages of difference between the two..the same

Then there is that big $$$ difference issue
As I mentioned before the D2V is not affordable at this time as the dealers want full retail. Its not a 35-45% off retail deal like the Onkyo's.
Like you stated in another post, if I see a deal on one I am
" there"....and now I know what to expect( for the most part) from it sound wise

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My comments have consistently mentioned the difference between the 885 and 5508, not how the 5508 fits into the grand scheme of A/V gear. Since I can't afford an Anthem, I really don't see any reason to seek out a dealer and take his time.

Believe me, I accept that the Anthem sounds better than the 5508, as do a number of other uber-expensive pieces.

Jeff

I had thought I saw you post that the Onkyo/Integra models have 97% of the performance of those units...and how those companies have done a good marketing job and you questioned if I knew that there were actually two different Anthem preamps..??

I assumed that meant you had listened to one

Even if that is not the case...you seem to be an AV enthusiast and that being so would have to be curious performance differences
Honestly...if you are not demoing pieces how would you have any gauge of performance?

As I recall you mentioned that I would be "delighted" from the 885 to the 5508
I honestly can't say that
HT is a definite improvement. Music is average...I thought it was poor with the 885
I paid almost 3x for the 5508 as I paid for the 885...should I be delighted?
Don't get me wrong..I am not disappointed with the 5508 and as I said before it was at a price that would allow me to make a move quickly..if another deal arises

I always look for other items with better performance
I always most certainly want to know what performance the top players offer and why they are called reference pieces

IMO..its the desire to see and hear the new technology and what makes it better..and of course form the opinion if I think it truly is
Really...even at the $1500 price point of the 5508...you could spend a lot less money and have a very capable receiver.

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I had thought I saw you post that the Onkyo/Integra models have 97% of the performance of those units...and how those companies have done a good marketing job..??

I assumed that meant you had listened to one
Even if that is not the case...you seem to be an AV enthusiast and that being so would have to be curious performance differences
Honestly...if you are not demoing pieces how would you have any gauge of performance?
I think your mixing up pepar with fitzcaraldo215 who has mentioned a few times that he has demoed his Integra 80.2 with Pro calibration against Anthem D2's and prefers the Integra.

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Really...even at the $1500 price point of the 5508...you could spend a lot less money and have a very capable receiver.

Warren

For example???

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Really...even at the $1500 price point of the 5508...you could spend a lot less money and have a very capable receiver.
There are plenty of capable AVRs out there under $1500.00. But will you get the features and PQ/SQ of the 5508?

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I think your mixing up pepar with fitzcaraldo215 who has mentioned a few times that he has demoed his Integra 80.2 with Pro calibration against Anthem D2's and prefers the Integra.
Not really
I can post the quotes if you are really interested
The "Anthem Marketing" was the most recent comment..probably made in the last 10-15 days..right around the time I was posting comments about listening to the 80.2 and Anthem statement pieces at a local dealer.

But..really...no worries. Not worth the time
I will file this under lessons learned....don't make assumptions that anyone has listened to the piece by the comments they make about it

On the other note..I never saw any comments about the Anthem D2 and Integra 80.2..preferences
Its all subjective I guess...if I were to speculate I would imagine that gentleman would be in the small minority

I for one would not make that decision based on the demos I heard...if the two units were anywhere near the same price there is no doubt what my purchase would have been

But since they are not..its a moot point ..made even further moot by the fact that I can't imagine that a typical buyer is looking at these two options seriously

Almost like does the Mercedes buyer look at many Chevrolet

Nothing wrong with either one

But..really...I don't think its the same person



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For example???
again..its the subjectivity thing
I brought this up before

could you really tell a huge difference buying an Onkyo 3008 receiver( run as a preamp)...its 30% less money

or could you buy a 5008(for about the same price as the 5508)..again run as a preamp...and would there be much difference?

you then have a piece that has amps( internally) should you go another direction

Now..I won't go into the reliability of recent Onkyo receivers as its not been a strong point

But ..lets assume equal reliability

Especially in the 3008 situation
are you getting 30% more going to the 5508?

In the 3008/5008 receiver forum I have seen statements about if anyone would notice the difference in the two in a blind test...their amps are identical
The 5008 has better DACs...which I believe are shared with the 5508

Does it sound 30% better?


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There are plenty of capable AVRs out there under $1500.00. But will you get the features and PQ/SQ of the 5508?

Bill
the Onkyo 3008 receiver, at $500 less, would be a pretty compelling example

assuming run as a preamp....would you get 95% of the performance of the 5508 for a 30% financial savings?

By the way...I have not heard nor do I own a 3008 receiver.
It seems quite popular and unmatched , in features, for its price point

I am assuming some of the same weak points as the 5508..musicality being the big one

But..if that is an Achilles heel then neither unit is likely going to work for you anyway


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the Onkyo 3008 receiver, at $500 less, would be a pretty compelling example

assuming run as a preamp....would you get 95% of the performance of the 5508 for a 30% financial savings?

By the way...I have not heard nor do I own a 3008 receiver.
It seems quite popular and unmatched , in features, for its price point

I am assuming some of the same weak points as the 5508..musicality being the big one

But..if that is an Achilles heel then neither unit is likely going to work for you anyway


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I'm kind of curious as to why you are pointing out the 3008 when you have already bought the 5508? Buyers remorse maybe? I agree that the 3008 would be an excellent alternative to the 5508 but if one is set on having a prepro (as you have) the additional cost is worth it IMO. Either the 3008 or the 5508 would work quite well for me as an upgrade to my 886 so no Achilles heel there.

From what I have read the 5508 is an improvement over the 885/886 as far a music listening is concerned. Would it be improved enough for me to remove my Parasound 2100 from my system? That would be something I would have to find out for myself if I buy the 5508. Right now I'm quite happy with the 886/2100 combo but if the 5508 hits shoponkyo all bets are off.

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By the way...I have not heard nor do I own a 3008 receiver.
It seems quite popular and unmatched , in features, for its price point

I am assuming some of the same weak points as the 5508..musicality being the big one

But..if that is an Achilles heel then neither unit is likely going to work for you anyway

First, there's a whole lotta assuming goin' on with your stream of recent buy-a-3008-get-95%-of-the-5508-for-30%%-less posts. And, where did you even get the 95% performance number? How would that be determined anyway?

Second, if one is .. like me .. coming from something like the 885, then the 5508 is w-a-y more musical. Beyond that, I see no weak points. Could you elaborate, or are you just generalizing?

If I was as bedeviled by Anthem as you are, I'd have one and not whiz all over the 5508/80.2 for what it is not, as this is a unit that many people are enjoying tremendously. And if I couldn't afford an Anthem, but still couldn't appreciate what I could afford, I'd consider hypnotherapy to get it out of my head.

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From what I have read the 5508 is an improvement over the 885/886 as far a music listening is concerned. Would it be improved enough for me to remove my Parasound 2100 from my system? That would be something I would have to find out for myself if I buy the 5508. Right now I'm quite happy with the 886/2100 combo but if the 5508 hits shoponkyo all bets are off.
Bill, I considered my 885 an excellent unit for multichannel theater, and as I have said, I did not listen to any CD's on that system. Not only am I now re-enjoying my CD collection, the 5508's increased sound quality shines through for movies and concerts, too. Delicate detail isn't only a benefit for music; it makes ambient sounds in any movie environment more real.

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Anybody seeing any Deals Pop up on the 5508, with the anouncement of the new models ?
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Warren,

Your really enjoy making assumptions and asking questions that no one can have an answer for. Why don't you go ahead and purchase the 3008, 5008 and 5508 and answer the % question your-self.

I would not be surprised if the Anthem D2 is better musically than the 5508 but until I have them both in my system to compare at the same time I am not going to assume it's so. I would also not be surprised if the Classe SSP-800 is more musical than both the Anthem and Onkyo but that too would only be an assumption.

It doesn't make sense for you to come on here and constantly bash the 5508 based only on assumption. Sack up and buy the Anthem to finally ease your mind from the mistake you made in buying the 5508. Then you can bother the Anthem people when you hear a Classe SSP-800 in a dealers showroom and regret the Anthem purchase.

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Are we feeding a troll here?

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Anybody seeing any Deals Pop up on the 5508, with the anouncement of the new models ?
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Is there a official announcement of the 5509? Tried googling it but didn't find anything official.

PM me for a place to get a good deal, Pepar clued me in so I am happy to pass on the info.

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Are we feeding a troll here?

No, Warren is not a troll.

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I'll be surprised if these fall much in price as they are so popular. There are some refurbs that are popping up ...

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Hi, I'm quite "green" on this field, but I have a question anyway, if I have a pr-sc5508 processor, and let's say a Velodyne dd10 sub, is it then possible to adjust the sub with audyssey in the processor, or will I get a better result with the Velodyne SMS-1, ?? Kindly , Jan

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That would best be answered under the official Audyssey thread. It lists the proper procedure using the two processes in conjunction with each other.
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Hi, I'm quite "green" on this field, but I have a question anyway, if I have a pr-sc5508 processor, and let's say a Velodyne dd10 sub, is it then possible to adjust the sub with audyssey in the processor, or will I get a better result with the Velodyne SMS-1, ?? Kindly , Jan

It depends what you mean by "adjust". XT32/Sub EQ HT will give you better results than an SMS-1 without the need to adjust it afterwards.
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Okay, thank you, just what I needed to hear, because then I don't have to buy the SMS-1, because the 5508 can do the same in it's audyssey "adjustment "/ calibration :-) I have A LOT to learn when I get my 5509 and hopefully a velo sub :-) kindly, Jan

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^Just to be clear, the Velo Digital Drive series subs come with the SMS-1 calibrated microphone kit and have a built-in version of SMS-1 software so there is NO need to buy a separate SMS-1 unit. IMO that makes these subs a good value especially for those who do not have XT32.

I have not yet heard of anyone who A/B'd either XT or XT32 with and without the SMS EQ in place for 1 sub but I'd think that (especially in an untreated room and with 1 sub) using the Velo built-in EQ prior to Audyssey would be a plus.

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I have not yet heard of anyone who A/B'd either XT or XT32 with and without the SMS EQ in place for 1 sub but I'd think that (especially in an untreated room and with 1 sub) using the Velo built-in EQ prior to Audyssey would be a plus.

It can be a plus in a very difficult room, but for most people it will make no noticeable difference at all. There should be no harm in using it if it's there.
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Hi, I'm quite "green" on this field, but I have a question anyway, if I have a pr-sc5508 processor, and let's say a Velodyne dd10 sub, is it then possible to adjust the sub with audyssey in the processor, or will I get a better result with the Velodyne SMS-1, ?? Kindly , Jan

The Velodyne DD-10 uses the exact same software as the SMS-1. It's just built into the sub instead of in an outboard device. (By the way, the DD10+ is the current version of that sub. It has some software upgrades and it now interfaces with a PC, but the basic software remains.)

I have used the SMS-1 in conjunction with Audyssey XT. However, when I upgraded to the Integra 80.2 with XT32, (sister device to the Onkyo 5508), I removed the SMS-1 from my system as it was no longer needed. Here is the result I obtained from XT32 alone:



Those squiggles at 125 Hz to 250 Hz are the speakers and not the sub. Even adding the SMS-1 to this would not impact that range as the SMS-1 only EQ's the subwoofer(s). It has no impact on the speakers.

Bottom line, if you get the 5508, you'll not need, or want, to use the AutoEQ system built into the DD10+, (or the older DD10), nor would you need to add an SMS-1 to any other subwoofer. Audyssey XT32 will do a better overall job than any of those.

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The Velodyne DD-10 uses the exact same software as the SMS-1. It's just built into the sub instead of in an outboard device. (By the way, the DD10+ is the current version of that sub. It has some software upgrades and it now interfaces with a PC, but the basic software remains.)

I have used the SMS-1 in conjunction with Audyssey XT. However, when I upgraded to the Integra 80.2 with XT32, (sister device to the Onkyo 5508), I removed the SMS-1 from my system as it was no longer needed. Here is the result I obtained from XT32 alone:

Those squiggles at 125 Hz to 250 Hz are the speakers and not the sub. Even adding the SMS-1 to this would not impact that range as the SMS-1 only EQ's the subwoofer(s). It has no impact on the speakers.

Bottom line, if you get the 5508, you'll not need, or want, to use the AutoEQ system built into the DD10+, (or the older DD10), nor would you need to add an SMS-1 to any other subwoofer. Audyssey XT32 will do a better overall job than any of those.

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Thank you for your reply, sounds great to me, that I won't need the SMS-1 when I buy the 550:-). Hope it's okay with those "stupid" questions, but I'll have to start somewhere, and you got me on the track too :-)
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Looks like I am joining the many that experienced the 5508 not responding to the remote control. My problem started while listening to a SACD. The sound would quit and display go out about 5 sec's. When it lite back up the sound was back. It happened several times then all was normal. Later that night when I went to turn it back on no response to remote. The buttons did respond on the front, so I manually turned it on. Everything functioned but the remote. Neither the factory remote or my Pronto could make the 5508 respond. I went into the setup menu using the front panel buttons and checked the HDMI Control was still set to OFF. It was but I cycled it ON then back OFF. When I came out of the menu it responded to both remote controls again. Now this morning again it no longer responds. I just cycled the HDMI Control ON and back OFF again, but this time it didn't help. So I have to assume the first time was just luck or it decided to work by it self. 66 days old and problems. This is not a good sign; and after I sold my B&K Ref 50 that gave me no problems, even using it daily for more than 6 yrs.

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Looks like I am joining the many that experienced the 5508 not responding to the remote control.

You may already be aware, but just in case not: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1339186&page=9

It is now a recognized problem covered by Onkyo, even if out of warranty. A pain, but at least there is a fix.
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