Originally Posted by JackOften
There's nothing in the manual that states that the sub is properly EQ'd by YPAO under 40hz. Zippo. I would love to be proven wrong but finding official documentation on any kind of YPAO subwoofer calibrating was like trying to find Bin Ladin.
I merely said that it is true there is a manual EQ option in the receiver, as per the manual. I made no reference to its quality, nor to the general competence of YPAO. You are of the opinion that YPAO is not especially great at its job with respect to subwoofers. Others have a different opinion.
All of my findings are based on empirical evidence. Empirical evidence is based on observation and experience. I also have tools such as REW to help gather data for my findings, not just one sentence answers like rdgrimes. You are working off of... what was it again? I didn't set out to be rude, but the one sentence dismissals simply don't fly.
Empirical evidence is something that can be presented for all to see/hear. The manual is empirical evidence of my statement--that there is a manual EQ setting in the receiver.
Your original statement offered a number of claims and one fact (the fact that one can use the EQ for manual settings). Someone else disputed your statement by saying "almost all of [your statement] is wrong". A third person asked "which part is correct". I answered "the part about the manual EQ functions"--which, in the exchange between you and the other poster, remains the only indisputable fact. That was my only goal in posting. It was not to "take sides". I have no "side" to take as I do not have a receiver with any
flavour of autoEQ. I bought an outboard one just for my sub (and I happen to think it works quite well, though I readily admit there are more powerful and sophisticated solutions available--just not in the price range I was willing to spend at the time).
My emperical evidence has the subs being set entirely too low. This is after gain matching my subs at roughly 11 o'clock which matches the manual subwoofer example. The jimmy-fix of raising the subwoofer gain is no different than boosting the gain in the receiver from -9 to 0. Why would YPAO set a subwoofer that's too low on the subwoofer's gain knob lower? Makes 0 sense. It should try to compensate by moving the gain UP in the receiver. MultEQ XT wouldn't do this - it would attempt to raise the gain until it ran out of channel gain room.
The statements to which I was responding did not include any of this information. I don't disbelieve your statements here (I have no reason to think you are lying) but, again, based on the original posts, this information is not readily available for all to verify--unlike the owner's manual.
I like the RX-A3000. No receiver is perfect... I really like what YPAO did with the regular speakers, not reducing the high range like MultEQ XT does when using the flat setting. I'm just pointing out its deficencies. I think that's ok.
It is perfectly fine to point out its lack of perfection. I had no intention of saying otherwise.
In the end, as I look back at the original posts, I think I should simply have stayed out of the whole thing or, at least I could have been more detailed in my response to avoid the appearance of "taking sides". All I wanted to do is identify the one element in the exchange that is indisputably true--the bit about the manual EQ function.