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Introduction

Yamaha has broken with the product numbering they have been using in recent years. They created a new series numbering, the A series.

They claim to have done substantial design work. Some of the design work is related to vibration control and a more stable chassis. This series comes with a three year warranty, which implies that Yamaha has a lot of faith in the quality of this line.

I think of some of the re-design as the new ToP Art.

The new models are the RX-A1000, RX-A2000 and RX-A3000.

US MSRPs are $1099.95, $1499.95 and $1899.95.

A cursory look suggests that these three receivers replace the RX-V1900, RX-V3900, RX-V1065 and RX-V2065.

The weight, cabinet size and power consumption of the three models would normally suggest a similar power supply transformer. But the rating of the 1000 is quite a bit lower. Without a service manual or bench tests, it's not clear to me how their power differs. The 1000's power output spec is quite a bit lower. It's possible that's due to a lower supply voltage - but that's pure speculation.

Some evidence suggests that these are less powerful than the 1900/3900 were. The power consumption figure on the 1900/3900 was given as 630 VA (US Model.)

Unlike the x65 series, they brought back substantial analog connectivity. This will annoy some people, and will be appreciated by others

All three models have only seven amps. The 2000 can be expanded to 9.2 using external amp(s) and the 3000 can be expanded to 11.2. There are numerous amp configurations, if interested, I suggest reading the manuals.

Design Features

According to Yamaha, the A series contains some key design elements (not all of these are applicable to all models) -

* Double bottom Construction (for more rigidity)
* Optimized power amplifier layout (Symmetrical layout)
* Fifth foot (They call it the A.R.T. wedge, better stability reduced vibration)
* Ultra Low Jitter Circuitry ( Similar to what they used on the Z7? Unknown)
* Hybrid Power Supply (Independent analog/digital supply)
* H Shaped Cross-Member Frame (Improved rigidity)
* High Quality DACs (Direct path to ground DAC)
* Zip ties to ground (Bundling ground wires together I think)
* Three year warranty
* Custom Designed Parts (No idea what this really means, they already had some parts specific to Yamaha in previous models)
* Higher grade terminals (Wider spacing, supposed to reduce vibration)
* HQV Vida processing
* Return to Yamaha custom DSP ( Possibly outsourced but customized DSP, just guessing)
* Enhanced virtual presence (Not sure yet what this will do)
* 3rd party control (HDMI CEC?)
* Web Control (Control receiver from web browser)
* iPhone/iTouch control app

Power Specs

RX-A1000

105W x 7 (RMS Output Power (20Hz - 20kHz)
Product Dimensions (W x H x D) 17-1/8" x 7-1/8" x 16-7/8"
Product Weight (lbs.) 32.4 lbs.
Power Consumption - 490 W/620 VA (US model)

RX-A2000

130W x 7 (RMS Output Power (20Hz - 20kHz)
Product Dimensions (W x H x D) 17-1/8" x 7-1/8" x 16-7/8"
Product Weight (lbs.) 35.3 lbs.
Power Consumption - 490 W/620 VA (US model)

RX-A3000
140W x 7 (RMS Output Power (20Hz - 20kHz)
Product Dimensions (W x H x D) 17-1/8 "x 7-1/8" x 16-7/8"
Product Weight (lbs.) 37.5
Power Consumption - 490 W/620 VA (US model)

Common Features

* HD Radio
* Network capability (with Rhapsody)
* SCENE Plus
* 8 channel input
* USB Port
* Low Jitter Circuitry
* Dock (For Bluetooth or iPod/iPhone)
* HDMI (8 in, 2 out, zone B capable); CEC, HDMI passthrough in standbye, Audio Return and 3D
* Component in/out - Four in, one out
* S-Video - All AV inputs have S-Video
* Digital in/out - Four optical in, three coaxial in; one optical out
* Analog to HDMI Conversion
* Analog/HDMI Deinterlacing/Scaling (1000 appears to have some limitations the 2000/3000 do not)
* Multi-point YPAO
* Channel Expandability w/ Ext. Amp (3000 up to 11.2, 2000 up to 9.2, 1000 does not seem to have channel expandability)
* Phono Input

Features specific to 2000/3000 models
* H Shape Cross Member Frame
* Ultra Low Jitter Circuitry
* HQV Vida
* YPAO has standing wave correction
* Video Adjustments ( 3000 and 2000 both have video adjustments, but the 2000 is more limited, see manuals)
* Zone GUI
* Learning Remote
* Zone Remote

Features specific to 3000
* More complete video adjustments
* Up to 11.2 with external amp(s)
* Zone 4 (digital out)

"But this one goes up to 11"
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Very interesting new models, and somewhat unexpected. Might as well start reading the A3000 manual first...
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Thanks Mr. Human, for summing it up so nicely.

It kills me that only the top 3 models have a phono input.... that's the only feature I really *need*.... maybe it's time to let go of the vinyl. I was hot for the ethernet but now I've convinced myself that an HTPC is the better way around that issue. So, ~$500 for that plus $1K at least for the receiver, and here I thought I could upgrade for under $500. Always so wrong.

So I see Crutchfield is the only US dealer coming up with these models, but there's no mention of any kind of pre-order special. Anyone know who might offer such a thing?
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You can buy a very affordable phono amp. Check out Jerry Raskin's needle doctor web site. Thanks for mentioning phono inputs, I don't think that's in my summary.

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Hey, the Canadian model power consumption is less than the US model! What's up with that? They've always been the same in the past, but the specs say 490W USA Model and 400W Canada.
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I noticed that as well. Not sure what to make of that.

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Someone posted this in another thread -

http://www.twice.com/article/455720-...eiver_Line.php

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You can buy a very affordable phono amp. Check out Jerry Raskin's needle doctor web site. Thanks for mentioning phono inputs, I don't think that's in my summary.

Thanks for the tip. I was vaguely aware of these gadgets but hadn't really looked into them. Of course phono's not really *all* I need I actually like the 4 component ins -- I haven't seen that many on any other devices in this price point. I could use all 4. Now I just need to figure out the devil in the scaling and upconverting details (will a 480i picture from component cables get output as 1080p via HDMI?). And can I listen to music in Zone 2 that's coming into the receiver from a digital source (TOS/Coax)? The quick specs don't seem to say. Let me know if you guys find that info. I'll probably have to brave the manual too, sooner or later.
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I would guess all of these can go from 480i in to 1080p out. I am 99% sure that's true for the 2000/3000. I think the 1000 has some limitations, but I would be shocked if it could not so the most obvious conversion from 480i analog to 1080p HDMI.

I am not sure how the zones work. I have not finished reading the manual.

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I have not finished reading the manual.

Can you upload the pdf manual to rapidshare or something similar?
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Can you upload the pdf manual to rapidshare or something similar?

All three manuals are on Yamaha's web site.

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The manual really is terrible isn't it. I took a quick read thru the zone section, and right at the beginning it says "you need the following to use zone:" ... and in the list is "a second amplifier". I can't imagine that's true. Just wanna run some speaker wire from the unused surround posts.
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Interesting new models, and thanks for putting this thread together. There is a difference between the YPAO on the A2000 & A3000. I was looking at the specifications at the back of the manual for the A2000 and nowhere could I find how many volts the subwoofer output has. My RX-V2600 shows 2v in the back of the manual and does a good job of applying enough signal to drive my pro audio amp (Yamaha XP-3500).

Does anyone know if you can select the roll off of the subwoofer crossover. Example: 80Hz with either a 12db or 24db per octave rolloff?
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Recent Yamahas have 1.0V pre-outs, including the subwoofer. The A series looks like it does too (they stopped listing the sub pre-out voltage separately, now that it's the same as the others).

YPAO looks different among all three models. Only the 2000/3000 have "reflected sound control", whatever that is (it's either some kind of standing wave correction, or maybe something closer to what Audyssey can do the time domain, but it's not clear). The 3000 adds speaker angle measurements which I suppose is used in some of the DSP modes?

For the crossover, the sub LPF roll off looks like it's fixed at 24dB/octave. I don't know of any Yamahas that give you the choice. Also note that the 2000/3000 appear to allow different crossover frequencies for each speaker group, while the 1000 only has a single crossover for all speakers that are set as SMALL.
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Some evidence suggests that these are less powerful than the 1900/3900 were. The power consumption figure on the 1900/3900 was given as 630 VA (US Model.)

Mike,

In your opinion if someone was wanting to upgrade, what would be better?...To save up for the RX-A1000 or get the RX-V1900 now at the big discount? Sound and power wise to me the advantage would go to the 1900 but feature wise the newer models would certainly be better. What are your thoughts? Thanks.

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It depends on a bit on what features you value. The 1000 has a better feature set than the 1900.

I am too lazy at the moment to do a direct comparison, but some features which are obviously superior on the 1000 are -
* The 1000 has the GUI
* The 1000 has network audio
* The 1000 has a lot more HDMI inputs
* The 1000 has more video processing options, such as HDMI upconversion ( I don't find video processing that helpful though)
* The 1000 has the latest HDMI version and feature set
* The 1000 has a better warranty

If the feature differences don't matter to you, and you can get a good deal on the 1900, I see no reason not to get a 1900.

Were I in the market for a new receiver today, I would probably get the RX-A2000. But I would like to wait and see what user feedback it gets. I am sure one of these receivers will get reviewed by a major publication or web site. But it may take a few months. It's not even supposed to ship until Sep. I think?

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Thanks Mike,

As a fellow Yamaha owner, I respect your opinion. Wow, ever since you posted this I have been thinking about how great these are going to be but I have also been looking into upgrading over the last six months. There are some excellent deals out there right now but if the 1900 stays on sale and is available in September, it would be stupid to pass it up. It's weight matches the RX-A3000. I think that says a lot by itself. Thanks again for your great posts.

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I refuse to create an account to look at a manual. Enough of this register for the most primitive information crap.

Get bent, yamaha.

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I refuse to create an account to look at a manual. Enough of this register for the most primitive information crap.

Get bent, yamaha.

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I think that's a bad call on their part. It's only hurting them discouraging prospective owners from easily downloading manuals. Their competitors have no such restriction.

I would gladly email you a manual if you send me a PM with an email addr and you tell me what manuals you want. Don't everyone do that though at once!

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^ thanks guys. Being a little bitchy today, but this was the proverbial straw.

If the 3000's amp section is solid and ends up streeting around $15-1600 it could be a real giant-killer. This from a guy who doesn't even need the amps, either.

EDIT: Ha, I wanted the manual for the 3000, but thanks for the effort.

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What I hate about those new receivers is there isnt any AC outlets like the previous models..
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Recent Yamahas have 1.0V pre-outs, including the subwoofer. The A series looks like it does too (they stopped listing the sub pre-out voltage separately, now that it's the same as the others).

YPAO looks different among all three models. Only the 2000/3000 have "reflected sound control", whatever that is (it's either some kind of standing wave correction, or maybe something closer to what Audyssey can do the time domain, but it's not clear). The 3000 adds speaker angle measurements which I suppose is used in some of the DSP modes?

For the crossover, the sub LPF roll off looks like it's fixed at 24dB/octave. I don't know of any Yamahas that give you the choice. Also note that the 2000/3000 appear to allow different crossover frequencies for each speaker group, while the 1000 only has a single crossover for all speakers that are set as SMALL.

It sounds like your just guessing on the sub pre-out voltage but, thanks. Looks like I'll have to call Yamaha. It would really suck if they dropped the voltage output on the higher end models. The lower end models (same year as my current) used to have 1.0v but, mine has 2.0v (RX V2600) which is not the highest end for it's time but well over the 1k mark when I bought it. Just curious why they stopped publishing the numbers that they used to in their older manual. Maybe they are the same. I wonder if the 1.0v spec is enough to drive a pro audio amp?
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What I hate about those new receivers is there isn't any AC outlets like the previous models..

It's gotten harder to define ON and OFF states [for control of switched outlets] when the AVR still must draw more than [the minimum] standby power in several other low power states, e.g., HDMI-PASSTHRU, or OFF-BUT-RECHARGE-IPOD. So it's complex for a CEM to know how to keep all customers 'happy' . . . and less hazardous for the AVR to just omit 120 A/C switching!

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Looking forward to reading this thread as it develops.

Thank you MichaelJHuman.

I do like the numbers and most especially the looks of the A2000 for a happy upper midrange/lower upper level unit. Neutering some of the HDMI processing and control as a goad to buy higher is a bit irksome.

Otherwise, looks to be a very slick AVR.

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It sounds like your just guessing on the sub pre-out voltage but, thanks. Looks like I'll have to call Yamaha.

Not completely guessing. The last higher-end models with 2.0V sub outputs were the 1800/3800/Z11 vintage. Starting with the 1900/3900/Z7 they were 1.0V and listed as such in the specs. It's 99.9% certain that they stopped listing the sub voltage separately after that simply because it's now the same 1.0V as the other pre-outs.
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I would think subs are designed for 1 volt outputs if that's the standard, which it seems to be. Is it hard to drive some subs to full power with standard sub outputs.

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^ thanks guys. Being a little bitchy today, but this was the proverbial straw.

If the 3000's amp section is solid and ends up streeting around $15-1600 it could be a real giant-killer. This from a guy who doesn't even need the amps, either.

EDIT: Ha, I wanted the manual for the 3000, but thanks for the effort.

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Get bent, yamaha.

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I agree. I'm not registering for an account just to find information about their products.
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I'm hoping the A3000 is the replacement for my RX-V2500. I tried the RX-V3900, but it was horrible with my Tivo HD. I'm not sure why the 3900 was so bad when the 2500 works great? The 3900 had a loud screech when fast forwarding or rewinding that literally blew out a tweeter. That was using an optical input and the latest firmware... Great price at Frys, $999, but not worth it for me. With any luck Yamaha got this one right!
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