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post #1 of 22 Old 08-30-2010, 05:24 PM - Thread Starter
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So my Sony ES reciever went to heck last weekend. It was 10 years old so I am not too ticked but I do need to replace it. As luck would have it i don't have the money to buy what I really want and am forced to buy what I can get that will get the job done. With this all said I can get a generation or two old, probably will search fleabay or amazon.

I have a complete set of B&W FPM speakers. I listened to them on an Integra reciever and they sounded great. Sadly my old Sony didn't do much for them. I am looking to make them really sound good.

What is the current wisdom on great buy recievers?

criteria.

1. Hastle free. I don't want any funky HDMI problems where I have to power cycle the whole system.
2. See #1
3. Must be a great sounding reciever. I am thinking HK, Onkyo, Yamaha, Denon, etc. Marantz and NAD would be cool too but I suspect they will be pricey.
4. power requirements are hard to define. I would like around the 100 watts per channel but I know the HKs and Marantz recievers spec much lower but still have a ton of power.
5. Analog Up conversion (preferable the Furojita chip). and Source Upconversion (where you can have svid in and hdmi out).
6. Some type of auto setup would be cool, Audisy or something similar.
7. I really only need 5.1 but that is hard to find in a modern reciever so 7.1 or 7.2 is ok too.

I am hoping around $3 to $4 hundred used/refurb, fleabay, etc.
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4. Power ratings on receivers can be misleading. An honest 100 watts by seven channels continuous is very uncommon. The budget models will have the most compromises in power. If you are looking at Yamaha, the Yamaha RX-V667 seems to have ok power in it's price class. The 567 is a step down.

5. Faroujda is not the best out there IMO. Also note that a receiver may say it has such and such a scaler chip, but it's anaog to video conversion chip is a separate chip and they won't say what it is. I would not get too hung up on the names they throw around for that reason. Some chips are full video processors though, and may do the analog to digital.

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Onkyo RC-180 might do the trick for you. $478 new. Would rather spend the extra $80 than get something used with no warranty.
http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-HT-RC180...3213830&sr=8-1

http://onkyousa.com/model.cfm?m=HT-R...s=Receiver&p=i


Plenty of power, 40lbs, Faroudja upscaling, 5 HDMI inputs, THX Select2 Plus certified, Internet radio, etc. Probably comparable to an Integra receiver depending which model you listened to.

If you can only spend low $300s look at the Yamaha RX-V765. $320 at newegg.com
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16882115197

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Onkyo or marantz from accessories4less would be a good place to start...denon from dakmart is another good place for deals.

try the search here....must be a 1000 posts that might help...even if you search for "refurb"

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I just bought a Marants SR-5004 today. It is refurbished and comes with a 1 year warranty but I added a 3 year extended warranty and with shipping the total was $455. Marants recievers are reviewed very well also and for the money IMO are a great deal. www.accessories4less.com has some great deals on Onkyo also. You should take a look.
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Hello,
I would pick up a TX-SR876 from Accessories4less. They have both New and B-Stock available.

While slightly more expensive, the 876 offers a true 100 Watts into 7 Channels, THX Ultra2 Plus Certification, Audyssey MultEQ XT (XT more powerful than MultEQ and 2EQ), Reon HQV Video Processing (truly one of the best), ISF Video Modes, and more. Just an awesome AVR.
Here is a Review:http://www.avguide.com/review/tested...el-av-receiver
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Hello,
I would pick up a TX-SR876 from Accessories4less. They have both New and B-Stock available.

While slightly more expensive, the 876 offers a true 100 Watts into 7 Channels, THX Ultra2 Plus Certification, Audyssey MultEQ XT (XT more powerful than MultEQ and 2EQ), Reon HQV Video Processing (truly one of the best), ISF Video Modes, and more. Just an awesome AVR.
Here is a Review:http://www.avguide.com/review/tested...el-av-receiver
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I agree....but i think its double his budget.

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Hello,
Tim, you are right. It is double what the OP listed for a budget. However, it really would be a great choice as it would have a Warranty and is a great AVR.
And with B&W Speakers not being super efficient, these Models really will be able to replicate the experience when listening with the Integra Unit.

If there are any used TX-SR805, 875. 876, 905, or 906 closer to the budget, they really would be excellent choices. These Models really were great in respect to power and features.

Here are some Used Listings closer to the budget:http://cgi.ebay.com/Onkyo-TX-SR875-7...#ht_500wt_1154
http://cgi.ebay.com/Onkyo-TX-SR805-7...ht_4683wt_1139
http://cgi.ebay.com/ONKYO-TX-SR876-B...#ht_500wt_1154
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No one has mentioned the older Harman Kardon 354 and 254 series receivers? Or did they have just too many issues with the HDMI. Last I read (about 2 years ago or so) they had some issues that may have been cleared up with some firmware upgrades... maybe?
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No one has mentioned the older Harman Kardon 354 and 254 series receivers? Or did they have just too many issues with the HDMI. Last I read (about 2 years ago or so) they had some issues that may have been cleared up with some firmware upgrades... maybe?

Hello,
H/K is certainly another choice. Logic 7 is an excellent Post Processing Mode and I like that almost their entire lineup has Preamp Outputs.

That being said, I really think the Onkyo's I linked to really would be an excellent match. Especially the 875/876 as they provide an excellent Amplfier Section with great Video Processing with the Reon HQV Processor.
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I looked at those, and I must say the 145wat per channel is really awesome. They are however a bit outside my range. I can not find them for anything less that 550 used but refurb or "new" is 700 or more.

Also i am trying to weigh all my options.

Also my speakers (http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/displa...rid=1283&sc=ht) say they are up to 120watts, won't 145watts be too much? I see what you mean about them being inefficient 88db is NOT that good.
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No one has mentioned the older Harman Kardon 354 and 254 series receivers? Or did they have just too many issues with the HDMI. Last I read (about 2 years ago or so) they had some issues that may have been cleared up with some firmware upgrades... maybe?

The 254/354 are great AVRs - if you get a good one. And thats the rub. I had one for a few months - worked great and I had no problems but there are too many that have had problems.

DakMart has refurbished Denons. Search for 590 - 1610 - 790 - 1910. There are some older ones still available too. Nice thing about the 590/1610 is they are entry level but come with Audyssey MultEQ.

The Onkyo NR807 is available at shoponkyo. The price includes free shipping. Join the 'shoponkyo club' for a better price ($439). The SR707 from A4L is the same price as the NR807 from shoponkyo by the time they tack on shipping. Both of these have MultEQ.

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No one has mentioned the older Harman Kardon 354 and 254 series receivers? Or did they have just too many issues with the HDMI. Last I read (about 2 years ago or so) they had some issues that may have been cleared up with some firmware upgrades... maybe?

I have a 354, sold my 805 and bought the 354, I like it much better and have no issues.The 805 had no real issues other than heat and a cold hard tone.The 805 had plenty power, nice build but the HK has good power too.

The Marantz is a good suggestion, just research any units you consider.
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I looked at those, and I must say the 145wat per channel is really awesome. They are however a bit outside my range. I can not find them for anything less that 550 used but refurb or "new" is 700 or more.

Also i am trying to weigh all my options.

Also my speakers (http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/displa...rid=1283&sc=ht) say they are up to 120watts, won't 145watts be too much? I see what you mean about them being inefficient 88db is NOT that good.

Hello,
I would not be too worried about the Onkyo having more rated power than your Speaker recommends. Far, far more Speakers are damaged by underpowered Amplifiers that go into Clipping than Speakers damaged from too much power.

If budget is a serious issue, look at the TX-SR805. It offers the identical Amplifier Section as the TX-SR875/876 and all of the major features, but Reon Video Processing. The 805 is truly a classic and is in my opinion the greatest value of the HDMI era AVR.
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think you got it mixed up knucklehead, the 707 is 439 at shoponkyo with account, the 807 is 569
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think you got it mixed up knucklehead, the 707 is 439 at shoponkyo with account, the 807 is 569

I am glad you mentioned this, I went there and kept getting 569 and was wondering what I was doing wrong... I was starting to wonder if I should buy a receiver because if I wasn't smart enough to figure out how much it cost I certantly couldn't figure out how to use it.

In the end I went for the Marantz 5003 from A4L for $370. 90 watts per channel should be enough and I eventually decided that At that price I can buy the receiver I really want down the road and religate this to the basement.

Thanks to all who chipped in, I know these types of threads get tedious. I am happy, I have always wanted to own a Marantz (Adcom and NAD were also on my list) and now I do. I have owned two Sony ES receivers (the 1099 and the v444 es models) and some other odds and ends ones (TEAK, Sherwood, etc). I don't go through them often because they never break, mostly. I expect the sound quality to be great with the Marantz and am happy to finally join the HDMI world.
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Cool, write a review when you get it all setup. Great price!

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Cool, write a review when you get it all setup. Great price!

When you go to check out on ClubOnkyo, they drop the $569 price by 10%, so you actually end up at just over $500. Not sure why they don't advertise this sale.

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Whoops - wrong quote. Meant to quote the part about the 807 being $569 on ClubOnkyo.

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If you buy a refurbished Harman Kardon through their official ebay presence ( http://myworld.ebay.com/harmanaudio/ ) then you get a great deal on current models, and you get the warranty.

I think you can get an AVR 2600 or 3600 for the price you are willing to pay, and I think it would be a great choice. I have the 2600, and I love it.

There are currently a few 3550s up for auction ( http://cgi.ebay.com/Harman-Kardon-AV...item2309c39acd ) that would fit your needs
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Getting a Martantz is smart. I've had one for 10 years and it's never given me a problem.

I don't know how anyone can recommend an Onkyo to someone who has their top 2 priorities avoiding HDMI issues. These forums are riddled with people reporting HDMI issues with Onkyo receivers.
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