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Regarding the sub issue. This appear to be a classic case of a feature (onkyo's) searching for a problem. Riddle me this.... How is it necessary to have discrete stereo sub output for signal that does not exist to ears that can not discern directionality of that level of frequency? My guess, is that since there is no solution to fix, Denon chose not to add this.
I also, don't get the THX EQ, DAC configuration, blah, blah blah argument. If a competitors receiver does not do 11 channel DSX and I want that feature, it's game, set, match. Vs the comp. As cost goes, how much money is saved by, well, er, not putting in 11 channels, 11 pre outs, and the ability to defeat an amp section? Man, I hate this victory by spreadsheet argument. Doesn't anyone ever use this stuff?
If we all bought autos like some people compare specs on receivers, we'd all be driving fully loaded Kia's. Hey, the Kia has two extra upholders, comes in purple, has a Bluetooth sync feature, the fuel cover cap has a cool manual key. Damn, that Aston Martin lacks a cup holder. the Kia must be better. Well, the Kia lacks the V12. I want the V12. The 4311 does 11 channels, the Onkyo.... Not so much. The comparison ends for me at this point. If you want purist pre sections, neither of these two companies would do well. They are deep into the nuclear arms race of features.
I have owned THX EQ stuff before, I find it heavy handed. I can't tell the difference in DAC's, my gut tells me neither can others, the sub argument is way beyond practical and deep in to goofy.
Finally, since this thread has gone all Onkyo vs Denon and people are trying to make decisions on value and what to buy. The 3008 costs $2k, the 5008 $2.7k, the 4311 $2k. I own the 4810. It has been troublesome, to say the least but Denon took it back, customer service has been exceptional, and I am satisfied with how they have treated me. Try and find someone in camp-onkyo who can say that. From what I've read ownership is not always a happy experience.