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post #31 of 23521 Old 09-05-2010, 06:03 AM
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So what ?
Its the same product manufactured with the same parts and boards to the same assembly steps and standards.
It's just done somewhere else...

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Pity about the "Made in China" - the 4310 was Japan iirc.

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what are 100th anniversary block condensers?
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Apparantly this would be included in the MultEQ XT32 so receivers such as the NR-3008/5008 should have this as well.

Damn, and here I was hoping that this would be another reason to get the 4311 over the 3008/5008
Since it's not, I'm even more eager to get to know the price here in the EU as that will become the determining factor for me.

According to the discussion on the Audyssey thread, any AVR that has XT32 also has Sub EQ HT.

IMHO, one of the significant difference between the Onky 3008/5008 and the 4311CI is the fact that the Onkyo's are not installer-ready. If you ever want to upgrade to MultEQ Pro, you can't with the Onkyo's.
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Other than xt32, sub ht and wpc how does this differ from the 4810?
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Other than xt32, sub ht and wpc how does this differ from the 4810?

They (4311, AVR-A100) are slightly less powerful than the 4810. But other than that... same thing, to be compared to Onkyo's 5007 / 3008

Now if you look closely into a picture of the inside of a 4311, you will clearly see that there is space left to add 2 additional amplifiers.

Which make me think that the 4811 (or a future 4812) will probably be a full 11.2 receiver (with 11 amplifiers)... and I would bet here that this will also be the case of next year's Onkyo range, with a new 11 channels MC5500 amplifier.

Just my (humble) guess.

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Does it have AL24 Plus on all channels like the 4810?
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Does it have AL24 Plus on all channels like the 4810?

You are a bit confused. The 4311CI/A100 does have AL24 Processing Plus on all channels, while the 4810CI has Advanced AL24 Processing Multichannel.

Advanced AL32 > Advanced AL24 > AL24 Plus

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What has AL32?
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What's pandora like on the avr? And also napster and rhapsody? Will you be able to listen to a lot of stations like vtuner?
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Other than xt32, sub ht and wpc how does this differ from the 4810?

It adds HDMI 1.4a (only relevant if you have your hart set on 3D) and has the ability to turn off the amps so that it is in pure pre-amp mode.

You do lose 2amps compared to the 4810 though...
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According to the discussion on the Audyssey thread, any AVR that has XT32 also has Sub EQ HT.

Isn't that what I said?

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IMHO, one of the significant difference between the Onky 3008/5008 and the 4311CI is the fact that the Onkyo's are not installer-ready. If you ever want to upgrade to MultEQ Pro, you can't with the Onkyo's.

I myself do not care about the pro version, but I'm sure this will be important to lots of people, thanx for pointing that out!
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Hi,

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You do lose 2amps compared to the 4810 though...

The 4311, same as the 4810, are receivers both equipped with 9 amplifiers.

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IMHO, one of the significant difference between the Onkyo 3008/5008 and the 4311CI is the fact that the Onkyo's are not installer-ready. If you ever want to upgrade to MultEQ Pro, you can't with the Onkyo's.

I myself do not care about the pro version, but I'm sure this will be important to lots of people, thanx for pointing that out!

IMHO, this Audyssey Pro capacity in MultEQ XT32, added to a full DSX 11.2 processing, potentially place these 4311/A100 receivers as UNIQUE representatives of one the highest AQ reproduction possible in HC today.

I was a huge fan of Onkyo and I change receivers every year to stay in tune with the technological evolution. Today I own a 5007, but I have canceled my 5008 pre order, in favor of a 4311, maybe a A100 if it is "efficiently different"...

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What's pandora like on the avr? And also napster and rhapsody? Will you be able to listen to a lot of stations like vtuner?

It's a pretty simple interface. It picks up on your existing stations, let's you create new ones, etc. I don't think it shows album art though, if I'm remembering correctly (I haven't used Pandora on my AVR in a while).
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It adds HDMI 1.4a (only relevant if you have your hart set on 3D) and has the ability to turn off the amps so that it is in pure pre-amp mode.

You do lose 2amps compared to the 4810 though...

Both have the same number of amps.

4810 has advanced AL24 versus AL24+ on 4311.

4810 has 3 sub outputs versus 2 on 4311.

That's all I can think of. They will be easier to compare when the 4311 is listed on the Denon website.

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How do advanced al24 and al24+ differ or compare?
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Apparantly this would be included in the MultEQ XT32 so receivers such as the NR-3008/5008 should have this as well.

Damn, and here I was hoping that this would be another reason to get the 4311 over the 3008/5008
Since it's not, I'm even more eager to get to know the price here in the EU as that will become the determining factor for me.

Another good reason to get the denon MAYBE is that Audyssey MultEQ XT32 will hopefully work bug free, as onkyo 3008 /5008 firmware is all screwed-up at this time
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So what ?
Its the same product manufactured with the same parts and boards to the same assembly steps and standards.
It's just done somewhere else...

Yeah, just don't buy the first few batches till all the issues are worked out This is a major let down for me too, but I understand their position.
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How do advanced al24 and al24+ differ or compare?

Google is your friend...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=951174

http://www.audioproducts.com.au/down...enon/alpha.pdf

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Yeah, jus don't buy the first few batches till all the issues are worked out

I would only guess that the A100 would be a limited run, so there will likely be just one big batch.
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How do advanced al24 and al24+ differ or compare?

I wrote a post last year on the evolution from ALPHA to Advanced AL24. See here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...ostcount=15182

Basically, AL24 Plus increases bit depth to 24 bit. Advanced AL24 also increases bit depth to 24 bit and upsamples to 192 kHz.

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4810 has 3 sub outputs versus 2 on 4311.

As far as I know, the three sub outs on the 4810CI are nothing more than one sub out in triplicate (i.e. same signal, three outputs). The dual sub outs on the 4311CI/A100 can be, at the very least, independently time aligned. They may also offer separate L/R output, separate EQ, and/or separate crossovers.

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Both have the same number of amps.

4810 has advanced AL24 versus AL24+ on 4311.

4810 has 3 sub outputs versus 2 on 4311.

That's all I can think of. They will be easier to compare when the 4311 is listed on the Denon website.

3 Sub output from 4810 does not equipped with Sub EQ. External EQ on sub is required.

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This receiver is my lead contender for my replacement receiver. My next one is onkyo 5008. So many choices on which features i want

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The dual sub outs on the 4311CI/A100 can be, at the very least, independently time aligned. They may also offer separate L/R output, separate EQ, and/or separate crossovers.

Yes, I'm very interested to see how that works. I can't wait for the manual to become available to digest. I'm really hoping that it can be run with one sub, then the second output enabled unequalized. I currently split my (single) sub out from my 875, so that one side goes to my subs, and the other goes to my tactile transducers. The transducer output then goes through a BFD24 to specifically manipulate their response (steeply rolled off above the infrasonics). That's a less than ideal situation, since the output from my AVR is EQ'd for the sub's response, which has nothing to do with the transducers. It would be nice to have the ability to have one output be unmanipulated. It would be even nicer if I could (just) apply a separate crossover to it.

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This receiver is my lead contender for my replacement receiver. My next one is onkyo 5008. So many choices on which features i want

This is the only receiver I am looking at. After my experiences with the Onkyo 3007 I am staying away from Onkyo. One of the biggest mistakes I did was sell my Denon 3808 for the 3007. Both my friend and I had the same problems with the Onkyo making my choices very easy.

I've been waiting a few months for the 4311 and I am anxious :-)

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Is there any official release date for the 4311? Yes, I know that there probably isn't one, but I wanted to track this thread without having to search for it every time.
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Is there any official release date for the 4311? Yes, I know that there probably isn't one, but I wanted to track this thread without having to search for it every time. [/quote]

I posted this above but according to a seller on Audiogon they say "FIRST Shipment ships @ Sept 15th" Is it true? I have no clue just reporting what I read from a seller.

I really hope it is true. I'd love to have it soon. Some nice fall TV shows starting and would love to this this in place.

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This is the only receiver I am looking at. After my experiences with the Onkyo 3007 I am staying away from Onkyo. One of the biggest mistakes I did was sell my Denon 3808 for the 3007. Both my friend and I had the same problems with the Onkyo making my choices very easy.

I've been waiting a few months for the 4311 and I am anxious :-)

This receiver has a lot of what I want and I too am very anxious

- 4 ohm rated amps
- 9.2 channel (expandable to 11.2)
- a true preamp mode

Only things I am not sure is all the technical things like how good the video and audio processor chips are and if not being THX ultra select 2 certified is even important or not. Also reliability of the receiver is also important. I have a Sony GX800ES (15 year old receiver) that works like a tank with 15 year old Paradigm 9semk3 speakers that sound like first day i bought them. So I am used to buying stuff that last and is what I want in the receiver I am going to use to replace my Sony.

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I happened on a 4310 today at bestbuy and put my hand on top of it to see how much heat it generates. The top was very warm....and it was not playing anything, so amps were at idle.

Hopefully the 4311 will run much cooler with the amps turned off. It's just about the only thing I'm worried about on the 4311. The UMC-1 and my prior Lexicon ran very cool as does my class D amp. The hottest part of my system is the 52" LCD HDTV.
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