Originally Posted by beever
This is one of those arguments that no one will ever win. I can tell you that I have more disposable income now than I did 15 years ago and back then I had Krell Monoblocks, Levinson preamps, VAC tubes, Nakamichi Dragons, Accuphase Redbook CD players and even that big Sony SACD babdoy with the hockey puck that held the CD in place.
Contrary to many people who just do not believe or agree, in this digital age the differences to me are negligible if even audible whatsoever between all of this quality midfi equipment and the super hi end stuff.
Denon essentially makes one product and then dumbs it down and removes feature sets to lower price points or opens up the flood gates for the high end stuff to allow for all the bells and whistles. I think the same GUI is basically used across the board, the same components, the same designers and so on. The audible discernable differences between all of these components is inaudible TO ME. I am only 42 but, I have pretty good ears and hearing and can tell the differences between a 100k setup and a 10k setup. But, with the proper room acoustics, speaker setup, EQ'ing of the room and source material I can tell you with 100% certainty that the differences are less than 10% between the two. If I can get 90% of the sound quality for 10% the cost then I feel only a die hard fool, show off or true two channel fanatic would pay the extra 90K to obtain it. I won't say a multi millionaire or even a billionaire would, because I know plenty of them and even they wouldnt waste their money on it. maybe that's why they still have so much of it
I beat your drum incessantly around these parts, my friend. Really ignoranty so, sad to say. The plain fact is that it's impossible to convince some people that they're on fire even when their hair's burning.
If you bring up double-blind's, they'll poke holes in the testing methodology or the very inferences the results indicate. If you use anectodal "evidence", even if numbering in the thousands or millions, you can be assured that they'll counter with 200% more to the contrary.
Hell, some are crazy enough to maintain/justify the audible difference amongst the more expensive components they've chosen even when THEY THEMSELVES cannot discern one...yes, this occurs regulary.
SO, if you contend something as "foolish" as the primary criteria when choosing an AVR should largely revolve around connectivity and features (ironically, even those those that DO produce an audible improvement), you can count on being portrayed as "short-sighted" and "naive" by the usual suspects. The 4311 "in question" here is just one of the more recent, glaring examples, and again, NO ONE not filing a W-2 with Denon has even HEARD one yet, lol.
And because I'm admittedly immature at times, and worse, combative, I'll (stupidly) waste my time arguing to the contrary with these marked few who will never align with me, regardless of what I (or anyone else) brings to the table. Ditto for them I suppose.
Our best bet is to just knowingly nod and move on, leaving the words for another time and person/group (see male bonding).
You know, like being married.