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post #811 of 23512 Old 09-24-2010, 10:30 AM
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first one to pop up on fleabay, I believe: http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trk...All-Categories

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And it has the 3 year Warranty!
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Still looking for some answers from my above post

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I might buy this receiver since I was quoted a really good price ($1430) from an authorized dealer.

My Concerns:
My room size is 14ft x 9ft, 1 sofa, 3 people max, and speakers/sub are an 7.1 Klispch RF-82 system with a SVS 20-39 sub. With this receiver, i'm paying nearly 50-60% of what I spent for my speakers on a receiver. Seems a bit overkill doesn't it? I currently have an Onkyo 805, and would like HDMI 1.4 for 3D. Do you guys think the 4311CI is a reasonable receiver for powering my speakers/sub, or should I get a lower end model and spend the money upgrading something else. My room size is small, so I highly doubt i'd benefit from a better sub/speakers, i'd consider them overkill for my room size.

I would really like to try out the new Audssey and the other features that are exclusive to the 4311, however $1400 is a lot of money to me. This would be the only purchase I could make for around 3-4 months. I can get the 3311 for $800 which is about 2 months budget for me, however the 3311 is pretty much a side step to the Onkyo 805, maybe even slightly worse depending on who you talk too.



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1) Would this receiver be able to handle my bass shakers on top of my 7.1 setup? Considering it is a 11.2 receiver... Shakers = http://www.smarthome.com/8249P/Bass-...sducers/p.aspx

2) Would I be able to bi-amp my fronts WITH 7.1 on this receiver?

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^ athough this sometimes works, many times they'll (Crutch, others) insist that they (prices to match) have to be the web-listed price.

If they REALLY want the business though, they know better.

A little bird who's a bit up the chain at a local big box told me their cost is ~$1200 if anyone cares to know.

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I have no doubt that other retailers BESIDES Crutchfield will match prices, but my post was specifically that I have tried in the past to get crutchfield to do better than listed price and it has never ever happened.
Man....are we bored in this thread or what? We are now reduced to price talk and posting bay first listings....
SOMEONE get one of these and report back!!!!
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Which (authorized?) dealers are offering prices like that?

Three authorized vendors have been recently mentioned in this thread. The can be e-tailers but they have to advertise MSRP. One was using a discount code the others would offer an alternate price on the phone.

This sub-forum doesn't have a prominent NO PRICE TALK posting but I can understand some reticence.

In any case WWS, EE and AVS have all been noted as doing pre-orders at "street price".
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Well hell, I had better email Jason and see what his price is! I prefer to support avs if possible...
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FWIW - Per WWS via email today when I inquired about 4311 shipments.

"The entire east coast was allocated 40 pieces to all dealers. So certain customers that got their orders in early may get theirs. We have received 2 so far for orders placed well before our promotion code was posted. I still do not have an arrival date as of yet. We may receive some pieces earlier than expected"

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Ok??? Never had Amazon or Crutchfield respond to any negotiations so I'm guessing you mean another authorized dealer. One that is not on line?

Crutchfield and Amazon always sells at MSRP unless the item is being replaced and then I think they base their reduced price on what other authorized dealers like OneCall and ListenUp are listing. Crutchfield, OneCall and ListenUp will only drop the price if they actually have to and no phone call will change that. ListenUp on occasion has great deals on Denon products, but I believe that it is through some type of buying program through Denon.

I got what I think is a great price from Electronics Expo. Though I really wasn't interested I got an interesting price from another authorized dealer on an AVR-A100.


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I can't seem to find this avr for $1500 on wwstereo or ee? Any idea if they are selling it for that price? I emailed both vendors, but have yet to hear from them.

Thanks
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first one to pop up on fleabay, I believe: http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trk...All-Categories

James

Wow! "Shipped within 24 hours of payment!!!" That box looks a little tattered. I would ask the seller for the name of his store front and the address so that you can verify that they are an authorized dealer. The 3 year warranty means nothing unless the merchant is an authorized dealer.


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Wow! "Shipped within 24 hours of payment!!!" That box looks a little tattered. I would ask the seller for the name of his store front and the address so that you can verify that they are an authorized dealer. The 3 year warranty means nothing unless the merchant is an authorized dealer.


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Not an authorized dealer, they cover the warranty. Right...
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China can't even make dry wall. How do you feel about those people's houses that are now basically worthless?

I would say that they can make basic toys, but you have to ensure that lead paint wasn't used.

Didn't they ship some baby formula which was toxic?

Proof is in the pudding. Where's the qc?

I'm sick of hearing all these issues and frustrated with every thing I bought from there.

Even my can opener made in China can't open a can any more! It's less then a year old!

Honestly I tip my hat to the drive that China has but I don't trust a thing from there any more.

Sorry for the rant, back to they HC3800, there were so many issues with thousands of these units that Mitsubishi posted an ad on this site stating that it' been reworked and relaunched.

My Emotiva XPA-1 amp? Hummed right out of the box. They also had other minor issues...

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I honestly can't think of one good product that I love which was made in China.

Even my iPhone failed.

My Denon 2808ci? No issues at all and it was a floor model.

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I don't know, I think if you paid China more they would have money to invest in qc, but the additional overhead is obviously not making $ sense.

What's the point of going green when were just throwing more crap out because it broke or defective?

I commented about this very issue several weeks ago when someone else stated it doesn't matter where it assembled it still has all the same parts! I say that is a very incorrect statement IMHO. They do not posess the same work ethics as other countries do. I will not mention which ones as I would never want to offend anyone but the proof is in the pudding. I hope the 4311 and the A100 are made in Japan as I have had two other Denons that worked great and never sent them in for repair. I opted to wait for the A100 and hope everyone that gets the 4311 is well satified and can share pro&cons without being to overly ecstatic. I am pretty sure the 4311 is also made in Japan but wouldn't bet my life on it. Which ever one you purchase it can still be said it's GOOD to be Back In BLACK!
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I can't seem to find this avr for $1500 on wwstereo or ee? Any idea if they are selling it for that price? I emailed both vendors, but have yet to hear from them.

Thanks

WWStereo had promo codes but I think they are no longer working and it looks like you have to give you payment info and or pay before you can see if the code worked.
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Still looking for some answers from my above post

people are very busy on this thread discussing DAC's and international manufacturing QA controls

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Do you guys think the 4311CI is a reasonable receiver for powering my speakers/sub, or should I get a lower end model and spend the money upgrading something else. My room size is small, so I highly doubt i'd benefit from a better sub/speakers, i'd consider them overkill for my room size.

"overkill" is a very personal thing and depends on your personal equation of budget vs. needs vs. obsessiveness about maximizing quality

If you will never run beyond 7.1, and don't need the extra amp power, the primary value-add of the 4311 will be the superior Audyssey calibration. There are other little things (nicer GUI, DenonLink connection, etc) but it really just depends if you are willing to pay extra for the state-of-the-art room correction systems.

Look at it this way: in your situation (small room, medium-level speakers, never going past 7.1), the pragmatic, budget conscious buyer gets the 3311. But that doesn't mean it is a bad decision if you want to splurge on the 4311! Only you can really know how flexible your budget is or how much you will sit there staring at the AVR wondering "what if?" about MultEQ XT 32.

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1) Would this receiver be able to handle my bass shakers on top of my 7.1 setup?

I don't see why not, aren't bass shakers designed to work with any receiver setup? I don't know a lot about them though....

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2) Would I be able to bi-amp my fronts WITH 7.1 on this receiver?

with the 4311, yes, you can reassign the 8th/9th amp channels to Bi-amp the front speakers. The benefits of this, however, are fairly dubious.

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I have NEVER heard of crutchfield matching prices...
Someone correct me if I am wrong here....

When I pre-ordered my A100 I took batpigs advice and asked about price matching and was told if the price drops in my 60 day window they would give me a refund.
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^ imperatively though, Crutchfield was probably speaking of the CRUTCHFIELD web-price, which may not move for months.

just a thought.

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I can't seem to find this avr for $1500 on wwstereo or ee? Any idea if they are selling it for that price? I emailed both vendors, but have yet to hear from them.

Thanks

Pick up the phone and call them.

Call them using a telephone.

Go to their website, find their 800 number, and dial it using a touch tone telephone.

I can think of some other ways to describe what you need to do to accomplish your desired outcome. Let me know you would like for me to continue...

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The entire east coast was allocated 40 pieces to all dealers

I wonder why Denon had such a small *first* production run? Or maybe they are shipping out what they had left of their *last beta/test* run? I am beginning to think it is a good thing that none of us are getting the first batch out.

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Pick up the phone and call them.

Call them using a telephone.

Go to their website, find their 800 number, and dial it using a touch tone telephone.

I can think of some other ways to describe what you need to do to accomplish your desired outcome. Let me know you would like for me to continue...

Would a cell phone work? ;-)
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you can even call people on the internet now too!

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Pick up the phone and call them.

Call them using a telephone.

Go to their website, find their 800 number, and dial it using a touch tone telephone.

I can think of some other ways to describe what you need to do to accomplish your desired outcome. Let me know you would like for me to continue...

You are being a bit vague here, but I THINK the point you are trying to get across is that to get a good price, a person should call one of the companies listed in this thread. I am a bit slow....but I think that is your intent.
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When I pre-ordered my A100 I took batpigs advice and asked about price matching and was told if the price drops in my 60 day window they would give me a refund.

Yes, that is only if crutchfield lowers it....won't happen in 60 days though!
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Telephone, what is that? All I have is a can with a string tied to the end of it going to a Chinese Denon AVR manufacturer!
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Everyone was being a bit vague. A straight forward answer would not have worked as others had already *tried* it. I posted that comment for everyone's benefit.

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Telephone, what is that? All I have is a can with a string tied to the end of it going to a Chinese Denon AVR manufacturer that uses mediocre dacs!

Here, I fixed it for you!
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with the 4311, yes, you can reassign the 8th/9th amp channels to Bi-amp the front speakers. The benefits of this, however, are fairly dubious.

It wouldn't be if they could incorporate a digital crossover tied to Audyssey which you could set to match your speakers internal crossovers....

Dare to dream...
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It wouldn't be if they could incorporate a digital crossover tied to Audyssey which you could set to match your speakers internal crossovers....

Dare to dream...

New Denon Audyssey message : "oops, i blew your tweeter looking for it's -3db point....sorry."

It would be fun to play with though!
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New Denon Audyssey message : "oops, i blew your tweeter looking for it's -3db point....sorry."

It would be fun to play with though!

I don't think you'd have to worry about that, the speakers' crossovers would still be active but you would definitely reduce the load on the amps which is part of the goal of true bi-amping.
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I can't seem to find this avr for $1500 on wwstereo or ee? Any idea if they are selling it for that price? I emailed both vendors, but have yet to hear from them.Thanks

It might take a few days to get anything via e-mail from WWS. I have one on order and asked a question and two or three day later got a reply. I would suggest that you call up the 800 numbers and find out directly and quickly find out about the price.
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I'm seeing what looks like conflicting inormation in the 4311 manual. I'm installing a 9.1 system, with surround back and front height channels. Can someone confirm that this would be considered the NORMAL amp assign mode? I think I should be able to connect all 9 speakers, and run Audyssey auto setup, and it will properly detect all 9 channels, without first reassigning an amp. Thanks.
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yes, set AMP ASSIGN to NORMAL for a 9.1 ch setup.

Follow the flow from pg 63 of the manual... after setting to NORMAL you then go to CHANNEL SELECT and tell it to measure the surr.back and front height speakers. Off you go!

In NORMAL amp assign mode you can actually measure and EQ all 11 speaker channels, but then you can only use 9 of them at a time.

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