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TheWolf56's Avatar TheWolf56 08:01 AM 10-05-2010
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Originally Posted by Audiodork View Post

The A100 is a tempting step up Model in that it does have a 5 Year Warranty, uses better Capacitors, etc and the price differential is not vast from the AVR-4311 on which the A100 is based.

I could not find anything on the description of the A100 that it uses better capacitors. On the website, it states "a special edition block condenser" For all we know, they could have encased it in lead and polished it a gloss black. That way, we would all know it would be much better because it would weigh more and it would be shiny when we took the lid off. Seriously though, unless someone actually has one in hand and can verify the components, there would be little that Denon would actually have to do make the statement "special edition" true, and it would not necessitate better components. Also, if you look at the back of the A100 on Crutchfield's site, it has the same power supply rating as the 4311. I'm not trying to knock the A100 and I love my 4311 (after only 2 days of use), but I just wouldn't want those buying the A100 for reasons other than aesthetics or the additional warranty to get burned by getting the same internal components as the 4311.

Audiodork's Avatar Audiodork 08:06 AM 10-05-2010
Hello,
Here is a description of a Capacitor/Condenser:A capacitor (formerly known as condenser) is a passive electronic component consisting of a pair of conductors separated by a dielectric (insulator). It was discussed Pages ago that "The Special Block Condenser" was indeed a fancy way of saying Capacitors.
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TheWolf56's Avatar TheWolf56 08:14 AM 10-05-2010
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

Run the DirecTV box into the Denon HDMI input #3..... you can then set the Denon to pass through that HDMI input to the TV when the Denon is off/in standby... see the manual page 99 (Standby Source).

Wanted to say thanks to FilmMixer for this info. I set mine up last night so that it would pass through my Dish Network tuner audio and video to the tv when it was off. Made my wife very happy. For those unfamiliar with the Denon GUI, you will have to turn the HDMI Control to On before you can access the standby settings. After I did that, I turned off all of the options other than the standby pass-through so the HDMI does not actually control.

Maybe 1 of these days I can actually get a chance to read the Advanced section of the manual...
FilmMixer's Avatar FilmMixer 08:14 AM 10-05-2010
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Originally Posted by kee68 View Post

Just a thought has anyone thought that perhaps the 4311 is based on the A-100 instead of the opposite ? Just because the 4311 was released first dosen't mean Denon just didn't want to offer something a little more affordable to the consumer and it was easier to get that one on the market faster.

It's obviously the same machine.

I suspect the later arrival has more to do with the entire Anniversary lineup (which includes hand made certification and a co-ordinated dealer supply chain to the chosen few retailers...)

Given that is the case, I am actually surprised they are being released so closely together.
TheWolf56's Avatar TheWolf56 08:24 AM 10-05-2010
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Originally Posted by Audiodork View Post

Hello,
Here is a description of a Capacitor/Condenser:A capacitor (formerly known as condenser) is a passive electronic component consisting of a pair of conductors separated by a dielectric (insulator). It was discussed Pages ago that "The Special Block Condenser" was indeed a fancy way of saying Capacitors.
Cheers,
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Didn't dispute a condenser is a capacitor, but without knowing what the dialectric materials used in each, the electrodes, type, capacitance, etc., you cannot know what actually makes this a "special edition" condenser/capicitor. For all we know, they could have used a different solder, gold plated the electrodes and contact points, or used a different color and it could still qualify as "special edition".
bakerwi's Avatar bakerwi 08:31 AM 10-05-2010
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Originally Posted by Eldiablos View Post

I haven't price shopped yet for the A100. If i can get it for the same 25% off i can get the 4311, it may be worth it. Limited number of dealers carrying it could make it harder to find a better deal on it.

Eldiablos,

I polled this forum and sent out several emails in addition to phone conversations with merchants and got a really nice discount on an A100, but that merchant is no longer offering such a discount. I sent a few perspective buyers their way and that well has run dry. Most merchants are offering no discounts at all.

I think any significant discounts at this stage are going to be hard to come by and most merchants will refuse altogether knowing that they can sell the A100 at MSRP.


Willie
owtuv's Avatar owtuv 08:47 AM 10-05-2010
OMO, I just ordered the A100 locally here in Norway. MSRP NOK 20,000 which equals $3,400.

According to the Norwegian dealer, the A100 is supposed to ship some time during Q1/2011 in Scandinavia. A long wait begins.

Best regards,
Ole Willy Tuv
unclemat's Avatar unclemat 08:50 AM 10-05-2010
Nothing like socialist agenda subsidized via A/V receiver purchase!
Audiodork's Avatar Audiodork 09:18 AM 10-05-2010
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Originally Posted by TheWolf56 View Post

Didn't dispute a condenser is a capacitor, but without knowing what the dialectric materials used in each, the electrodes, type, capacitance, etc., you cannot know what actually makes this a "special edition" condenser/capicitor. For all we know, they could have used a different solder, gold plated the electrodes and contact points, or used a different color and it could still qualify as "special edition".

Hello,
My mistake. I am willing to give Denon the benefit of the doubt in respect to the Capacitors being upgraded. It is in keeping with extending the Warranty to 5 Years to offer upgraded Capacitors as Capacitor leakage is one of the culprits in AVR failure.
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humbug2's Avatar humbug2 09:37 AM 10-05-2010
Reviews people, reviews. Not speculation.

Still, this is one of the most interesting things I have read since I took Abnormal Psychology long ago. Its sort of a refresher.
TheWolf56's Avatar TheWolf56 09:51 AM 10-05-2010
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Reviews people, reviews. Not speculation.

After 2 days of ownership and only about 3 hours of setting it up and listening in those 2 days, I can say that it is a great receiver and exceeds all of my expectations.

From what I have seen and listened to so far, I am happy with it. Right now the weakpoint in my system is the speakers, so my audio test will be when my Klipsch RF-82 IIs come in, but with 98 db efficiency and 8 ohms, I think this receiver will do fine. I also need to see what changes need to be made with the picture on my Samsung HL67A750 to see how the video processing actually affects the picture. I noticed that the contrast was a bit lowered by the receiver as compared to a direct HDMI connection from my sat receiver, but I will not be able to confirm until I get a chance to actually sit down, read the manual, and throw in DVE or Avia into my PS3. I am also hoping that I can correct the picture settings on each individual input on the Denon.

The only thing I am certain of was when I showed my wife how to use it for the time being (until I can figure out why my Harmony software does not want to connect to the internet) and turned on a part of Watchmen, my wife kept turning around because she honestly thought she heard dripping water in the room. I have not felt this immersed in a scene in my own home or any other friends' homes ever. This was with crappy speakers, so I cannot wait to finish the speaker upgrades as well.
markrubin's Avatar markrubin 10:21 AM 10-05-2010
question please:

I read where you can shut off the amps to use in Pre Pro mode: can you select which amps?

for example if you wanted to use an external amp but use the built in amps for zone 2 stereo?
mcsoul's Avatar mcsoul 10:29 AM 10-05-2010
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Originally Posted by markrubin View Post

question please:

I read where you can shut off the amps to use in Pre Pro mode: can you select which amps?

for example if you wanted to use an external amp but use the built in amps for zone 2 stereo?

I don't think there is a "semi-pro" mode
batpig's Avatar batpig 10:30 AM 10-05-2010
the "pre amp" mode is not a per-channel thing. They are either all off or all on.

however, the one exception is that you can set the four assignable amps to power Zone 2 / Zone 3 while in Pre-Amp mode.
Djoel's Avatar Djoel 10:34 AM 10-05-2010
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Originally Posted by markrubin View Post

question please:

I read where you can shut off the amps to use in Pre Pro mode: can you select which amps?

for example if you wanted to use an external amp but use the built in amps for zone 2 stereo?


I just asked this question a few days ago..

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...4#post19283304

Djoel
cat-like's Avatar cat-like 10:39 AM 10-05-2010
I have been lurking here for a while watching this thread, although not the last few days because I have I have been shopping for my speakers. But today I found a good reason to buy the A100 over the 4311.

I had decided which speakers to get by 4:00pm today (Swedish time) after testing 6 different brands and around 12 models and was in the store negotiating the package price on the floorstanders, centre and sub. I got the package price and was pretty happy with the discount I got. I had also negotiated a decent price on the 4311 as part of the package, but reserved the right to order that "later". I told the sales guy I would sleep on it, thinking there was no hurry as I pass by the store every day, then........

Sales guy: "how seriously are you considering the 4311 as well?"

Me: "Very seriously, (it is a lot cheaper than the Arcam I'd been considering), but I think I'll just watch user opinions for a while longer."

Sales guy: "If I throw in the A100 for the same discount price I have quoted you for the 4311, would you order the speakers and the AVR now?"

Me: "Where do I sign?"

So I will have my new speakers late next week and an A100 probably in November? I have no idea about the real differences between the A100 and the 4311 and I don't really care
Djoel's Avatar Djoel 10:42 AM 10-05-2010
Hello can someone Pm an authorized place where I can buy one of these either 4311ci /A100 at decent cost, furthest from mrsp

Thanks

Djoel
cat-like's Avatar cat-like 10:45 AM 10-05-2010
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Originally Posted by owtuv View Post

OMO, I just ordered the A100 locally here in Norway. MSRP NOK 20,000 which equals $3,400.

According to the Norwegian dealer, the A100 is supposed to ship some time during Q1/2011 in Scandinavia. A long wait begins.

Best regards,
Ole Willy Tuv

Oh god I hope not, I thought it would be November - December at the latest!

I know there is no official communication from Denon on Scandinavian shipping dates, but 2011 wouldn't surprise me

How many of these damn things are they making?
batpig's Avatar batpig 10:51 AM 10-05-2010
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Does the 4311 in 11.2 mode allow me to to switch off "wide" or "height" speakers or both on the fly. I would actually do that by selecting a different surround mode right, not by a speaker setup toggle of some kind.

yes, see pg 90 of the manual for Audyssey DSX control.

you can set which channels are being processed in the Audyssey Settings in the GUI, or pressing the A-DSX button on the remote will cycle between OFF > ON Height/Wide > Height only > Wide only
SeattleHTGuy's Avatar SeattleHTGuy 11:19 AM 10-05-2010
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post


yes, see pg 90 of the manual for Audyssey DSX control.

you can set which channels are being processed in the Audyssey Settings in the GUI, or pressing the A-DSX button on the remote will cycle between OFF > ON Height/Wide > Height only > Wide only

The ugly but worthwhile remote has more control than previous remotes. It is a reason to "Be Happy". Just don't expect to wow your friends with this particular remote. Sexy it ain't.
batpig's Avatar batpig 11:26 AM 10-05-2010
"ugly but worthwhile"

that should be the official motto of the 4311 at this point
kee68's Avatar kee68 11:44 AM 10-05-2010
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Originally Posted by Audiodork View Post

Hello,
In truth, I was somewhat surprised Denon's 100th Anniversary AVR was not something more along the lines of the AVR-5805 given the limited run and exclusivity that Denon is trying to Market with these Components.

The A100 is a tempting step up Model in that it does have a 5 Year Warranty, uses better Capacitors, etc and the price differential is not vast from the AVR-4311 on which the A100 is based.
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"ugly but worthwhile"

that should be the official motto of the 4311 at this point

Chuckle, good sense humor BP. I wonder ummm how much those feet weigh on the 100??
Eldiablos's Avatar Eldiablos 11:46 AM 10-05-2010
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"ugly but worthwhile"

that should be the official motto of the 4311 at this point

lol
DreamCatcher's Avatar DreamCatcher 02:09 PM 10-05-2010
I guess it's true beauty is in the eye of the beholder
While the latest Denon offering (3311, 4311, 4310, etc...) aren't works of art
by any stretch, I still think they look classy.... especially compared along side something like the Onkyo's. I had the 4310 and the Onkyo 5007 at the same time a while back and compared side by side I definately preferred the looks of the 4310 and even thought the build quality of the Denon was superior to the Onkyo with it's flimsy top and side panels.
The glossy black finish of the A100 doesn't appeal to me either, never liked the Elite Pioneers glossy finish.... hate cleaning finger prints constantly.

That being said if I was basing my reciever buying of looks the new Anthem receiver would probably be at the top of my list.......

DreamCatcher
perfectevolution's Avatar perfectevolution 04:08 PM 10-05-2010
Quick question for 4311ci owners, about how long is the microphone cable on the the mic used for Audessey calibration?
SeattleHTGuy's Avatar SeattleHTGuy 04:30 PM 10-05-2010
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Quick question for 4311ci owners, about how long is the microphone cable on the the mic used for Audessey calibration?

About 20 ft for previous models maybe a bit more. I never hit it's limits in my room so I could be off a bit on the short side.
william06's Avatar william06 04:32 PM 10-05-2010
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Originally Posted by perfectevolution View Post

Quick question for 4311ci owners, about how long is the microphone cable on the the mic used for Audessey calibration?

Never measured it but I am guessing about 15-16' not much more based on my seating and speaker measurements.
damnsam77's Avatar damnsam77 04:41 PM 10-05-2010
I apologize if this question has been beated to death. I am looking for a new Denon receiver since I just sold my 3808CI.

If money is not an issue, and I know the AVR4311 can street for about $500 or so more than the AVR3311, then would it be wise to spend the extra few hundred bucks and get the AVR4311? It sounds like it's a beast, and I have always had Denon receivers rated at 140watts perCh, until I got the 3808 which is 130watts per Channel. But the AVR3311 is even lower at 125watts per channel. I sure would hate to continue this downward trend every time I upgrade my receiver, especially considering I am trying to fill up a 20ft by 14 ft dedicated and treated theater room.

What am I getting with the AVR4311 that I am not with the AVR3311 and vice versa. By the way, I did used the comparison tool on Denon's website, and the comparison data was layed out very poorly. Hence why I am hoping to get a more thoughrough feature comparsion

P.S: Also Denon's website lists the giant 4311 receiver at only 6.4" in height, is this true? It looks a heck of a lot taller than my 3808, which I thought was also about 6". Can someone please provide true height, width, and depth measurements?
kee68's Avatar kee68 05:12 PM 10-05-2010
BP I see you are on line and have a quick question,. I am looking at buying a RT 12d Klipsch sub and it comes with Klipsch's version of (for lack of a better compatison) Audsey. Have you ever dealt with anyting like that? Here is a link for this sub it is a powerful one and I think the Audsey would probobly do the job better but just wanted another opinion. Thx Bob
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volum...06-part-1.html
krholmberg's Avatar krholmberg 05:24 PM 10-05-2010
For those who ordered from EE, did your 4311 come double boxed? It looks like someone from UPS tampered with my box. The entire top of the box was gone and replaced with cardboard from a completely different box! So far EE has been very helpful in dealing with the Issue.
Tags: Audyssey , Denon Avr 4311ci 9 2 Channel Network Multi Room Home Theater Receiver With Hdmi 1 4a , Denon Avr A100 100th Anniversary 9 2 140w , Denon
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