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post #24061 of 24080 Old 04-02-2015, 07:32 PM
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Playing WDTV media Player Music without needing to have TV on

Why does the BD music play without the TV on, but not the WDTV?
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Try connecting the WDTV to the other HDMI inputs to see if the same issue presents. If yes, try doing an HDMI HDCP reset as noted below ...
I said that I'd follow up jdsmoothie's suggestions and report back.

From reading about 'HDCP reset' on the link provided by jdsmoothie it seems this is an 'HDMI handshake issue' most likely arising in the WDTV media player.

I tried the HDCP reset power down and power up as suggested on the link without any change.

But I know when I first stup my 4311 and had 'HDMI Control' set to on in 4311 and also similar setting (I think called CEC) on the Panasonic TV, the 2 devices would battle for control with unpredictable results. So, I have them set to off. And I also have had CEC set to off in the WDTV.

But I wondered if I DID allow HDMI to be controlled by ONE of the devices if that would work. So I switched CEC on in WDTV player, rebooted all (in the sequence that results from use of my Logitech universal remote),...same result. So, I switched CEC off again in WDTV, rebooted all ...and the problem was fixed. And, so far, that fix has survived several switch offs and back ons in various orders...but I suspect the fix is fragile.

It seems there has been some sort of HDMI reset forced by switching CEC in the WDTV.

I'll see how long the fix lasts, and if I lose it I think I'll next try switching on 'HDMI Control' in the 4311.

Does anybody know more about managing HDMI handshake issues? Thanks
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Can anyone advise how to turn Subwoofer on when in Multi-Channel Stereo mode?

The sub turns on in 2Ch Stereo just fine.

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If you have the FL/FR speakers set to SMALL/80Hz, the sub should always be fed audio < 80Hz with either mode.

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If you have the FL/FR speakers set to SMALL/80Hz, the sub should always be fed audio < 80Hz with either mode.
Thank you, that did the trick.

Should I set Subwoofer to 'LFE' or 'LFE+Main'?
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Leave it set at the default of LFE.

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Leave it set at the default of LFE.
Batpig (http://batpigworld.com/setup.html) says it doesn't matter whether you choose LFE+MAIN or LFE if all of the speakers are set to SMALL:

"The LFE vs. LFE+MAIN setting is only relevant if you have set any speakers to "large". If all of your speakers are set to "small", this setting doesn't do anything. For speakers set to "large", think of this as the "double bass" setting. For more info on the LFE vs LFE+MAIN setting, click here to read a good explanation."
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Thanks, but I'm well aware of how the setting works.

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Thank you jdsmoothie & pbarach.
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Thanks, but I'm well aware of how the setting works.
I was certain you were, but then I was puzzled as to why you didn't tell him that the LFE/LFE+MAIN setting is irrelevant when all of the speakers are SMALL...

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I was certain you were, but then I was puzzled as to why you didn't tell him that the LFE/LFE+MAIN setting is irrelevant when all of the speakers are SMALL...
I told him as well as the lurkers reading the post what they needed to hear. There is no reason to change the default setting.

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Too many posts to find the answer to one question I have with the 4311. I've got my search for a new AVR down to two Denons - the 4311 and the 4520 but I think the 4311 has more of what I'm looking for since it allows you to use different setting inside Audyssey for stereo and multi channel if I'm reading the manual correctly.

My question is this: can two subs be set up differently - one for two channel and both for multi channel movies without having to resort to changes made inside the menu? IOW does one button reconfigure the way subs are used? I have two 12" DIY sealed subs that will be daisy chained for music and movies - and an eD A5-350 on the other sub channel for movies only. The A5 isn't capable of playing music like the two 12" sealed subs. Its not even close!

My speakers are Salk Song Towers with the OW2 tweeters and a custom Selah center with the same tweeter and a 4" mid and two 7" woofers for movies only. The ST's are capable of playing to 42hz - I'll play around with crossovers for 2 channel to finesse that setup - for movies the crossover likely will be at the standard 80hz. I'm about 98% music vs movies - music takes a huge priority in this home. I don't know whether I'll keep my Rotel 5 channel amp - depends on how well whichever Denon I get plays two channel.

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Too many posts to find the answer to one question I have with the 4311. I've got my search for a new AVR down to two Denons - the 4311 and the 4520 but I think the 4311 has more of what I'm looking for since it allows you to use different setting inside Audyssey for stereo and multi channel if I'm reading the manual correctly.

My question is this: can two subs be set up differently - one for two channel and both for multi channel movies without having to resort to changes made inside the menu? IOW does one button reconfigure the way subs are used? I have two 12" DIY sealed subs that will be daisy chained for music and movies - and an eD A5-350 on the other sub channel for movies only. The A5 isn't capable of playing music like the two 12" sealed subs. Its not even close!

My speakers are Salk Song Towers with the OW2 tweeters and a custom Selah center with the same tweeter and a 4" mid and two 7" woofers for movies only. The ST's are capable of playing to 42hz - I'll play around with crossovers for 2 channel to finesse that setup - for movies the crossover likely will be at the standard 80hz. I'm about 98% music vs movies - music takes a huge priority in this home. I don't know whether I'll keep my Rotel 5 channel amp - depends on how well whichever Denon I get plays two channel.
I have owned both the 4520 and the 4311 (the 4311 still resides in my bedroom system, and the 4520 has been replaced by a Marantz 8801).

I find the two to be sonically equivalent. Both have XT32, same number of amps, etc., and I never developed a preference of one over the other.

The feature differences are what is important, IMO. The 4520 has a slightly improved GUI, a network hub, InstaPreview, all of which don't make a huge difference. On the other hand, the ability of setting a different configuration for 2-channel sources, which the 4311 has, but which was dropped on the 4520, is a very useful feature for one who uses the AVR primarily for music. In summary, I would choose the 4311 over the 4520 for a music-only system.

And a final note, I have recently left Audyssey behind in favor of Dirac Live, implemented using the MiniDSP DDRC-88a. If you ever see yourself wanting to move in this direction, you should keep your external power amp, since the 88a would use the Pre-out signals from the 88a, and require external amplification. This is certainly something to consider, since Dirac Live is wonderful for music systems.

Edit: No way to save two different sub configurations on the 4311, though

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Thanks for the quick reply Jerry. I've looked into the Mini-DSP before - sounds like a great piece of gear. For $1k more I could get the XMC-1 - I'm not really interested in that though. I've sold almost all of my Emo gear - just two pairs of bookshelf speakers and a zone II amp left and I'll probably keep those. They all work pretty good.

Well I've got my finger hovering over the 'add to cart' on the 4311 - right now I'm trying to get in the first game of the MLB - Mariners to be exact. I'll be buying one soon and it looks more and more like the 4311 is the better one for my situation. I'm getting tired of the limitations of my bedroom 2 channel Onkyo 8050. No HDMI but at least it has a DAC. And I have no bedroom sounds currently. Something has to give.

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Thanks for the quick reply Jerry. I've looked into the Mini-DSP before - sounds like a great piece of gear. For $1k more I could get the XMC-1 - I'm not really interested in that though. I've sold almost all of my Emo gear - just two pairs of bookshelf speakers and a zone II amp left and I'll probably keep those. They all work pretty good.

Well I've got my finger hovering over the 'add to cart' on the 4311 - right now I'm trying to get in the first game of the MLB - Mariners to be exact. I'll be buying one soon and it looks more and more like the 4311 is the better one for my situation. I'm getting tired of the limitations of my bedroom 2 channel Onkyo 8050. No HDMI but at least it has a DAC. And I have no bedroom sounds currently. Something has to give.
You can't go wrong with either of your two choices. Both are great AVR's.
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OK - got one refurbed 4311 on the way along with a 3 year extended warranty from New Leaf. I did some research on them - seems they get things fixed when problems arise - I checked them out on the BBB - they have a B+ overall - better than Square Trader. The warranty was only $49.99 and takes over once the factory 1 year refurb warranty expires.

Thanks for your help Jerry. I appreciate it. The last Denon I owned was a long time ago - an AVR-589 I think it was. I used it in the bedroom - I 'thought' I wanted surround sound in there. Turns out when you have one ear or the other buried in a pillow you can't hear surround sound. Been 2 channel in there ever since. That also cleaned up the wiring mess. The Denon will do the same in my audio rack - gotta love HDMI if only for that feature. I'm still waffling over selling or keeping my Rotel RMB-1085. I love the sound of the B&O IcePower amps. And at 15# its easy to move should I need to do that. I'll have to do some serious listening after the Denon arrives. Probably not much if any difference - we shall see.

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I am not sure why, maybe I am just wasting time, but I got to thinking about 4311 power (140 watts).

My speakers are 87db sensitive and require minimum of 45 watts. I am also noticing that I am turning volume as high as -15 on the dial to listen at not so loud/moderate volume. So ... since I am using only 5.1 channels ... anyway to manually distribute more power to only working channels>?

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I am not sure why, maybe I am just wasting time, but I got to thinking about 4311 power (140 watts).

My speakers are 87db sensitive and require minimum of 45 watts. I am also noticing that I am turning volume as high as -15 on the dial to listen at not so loud/moderate volume. So ... since I am using only 5.1 channels ... anyway to manually distribute more power to only working channels>?

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No. -15 is not a very high MV setting, and if that is what you listen at, it doesn't seem that you are lacking for power.
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I am not sure why, maybe I am just wasting time, but I got to thinking about 4311 power (140 watts).

My speakers are 87db sensitive and require minimum of 45 watts. I am also noticing that I am turning volume as high as -15 on the dial to listen at not so loud/moderate volume. So ... since I am using only 5.1 channels ... anyway to manually distribute more power to only working channels>?

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As Jerry notes, -15db is not that high. There is only one power supply so your 5 speakers have access to the full amount available from the AVR.

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No. -15 is not a very high MV setting, and if that is what you listen at, it doesn't seem that you are lacking for power.
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As Jerry notes, -15db is not that high. There is only one power supply so your 5 speakers have access to the full amount available from the AVR.
So absolutely no reason to consider external amps ... other than for visual satisfaction :-)

A friend of my is getting yamaha soavo 1 that are 89db and 6 ohms ... swears he needs an amp for those.

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