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What mode do you listen to two channel music if not stereo? Listening to some Indian ragas right now via my squeezetouch and stereo seems best .
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1) Relay clicking. It is it limited to only certain hardware pieces (i.e. I see cable/sat boxes and JVC projectors mentioned most)? With other hardware, how much different is it than the DTC-9.8 which also has (less?) relay clicking.

2) Audyssey - can it set on/off per input? i.e. can I have audyssey on Blu-ray input but not on CD input?

1) Coming from an Onkyo PR-SC886 there are more and they are louder but they really are not that intrusive.
2) Yes
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5. I regularly watch DTS HDMA 96/24 with no problems. I do not know what you are describing. Audyssey handles up to 192K/24 in this unit.

The problem is with plain old DTS 96/24, not with DTS-HD Master Audio. It is used mostly, that I know of, on SD-DVD Music Releases and as an option on some DVD-Audio Discs. As an Example, Peter Gabriel - Play: The Videos is a great DTS 96/24 track.

I discovered a DTS 96/24 bug & originally reported it in Post #484. I have been emailing with a Product Support Rep at Onkyo/Integra since setting up my DHC-80.2 in October, 2010. Other than we are working on it with engineering, I have heard nothing. As of late, he has stopped responding all together. DTS 96/24 does not work properly with or without Audyssey engaged.

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What mode do you listen to two channel music if not stereo? Listening to some Indian ragas right now via my squeezetouch and stereo seems best .

The answer is that for the past 3 years since discovering Mch classical music I simply do not listen to stereo recordings any more, only Mch ones. It helps that I am a classical music afficianado, where Mch music is reasonably available. Unlike stereo, Mch provides a way, way better replica of the live concert hall experience than stereo ever can, to my ears. I have heard a fair number of very pricey, highly praised stereo systems costing hundreds of $thousands. A good friend is a prominent equipment reviewer, and I have heard some of the outrageously priced stereo stuff he has gone ballistically over the top about. Frankly, I would not swap what I have for any of them. Some high enders roll their eyes about my 80.2/Oppo BDP-83 front end, but it is me who has the last laugh. A few of them have become convinced of that upon hearing my system.

Purist that I am, if I were to listen to stereo sources, it would be in plain stereo. But, a good classical music friend who bought my 80.1 is very pleased with some of the surround modes on his large library of stereo recordings on his hard drive.
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2 - the undocumented by Onkyo/Integra video processing off (vcr/dvr and return) procedure is only affecting the HDMI inputs and even then the JVC is still reporting a Deep Color setting instead of the normal grayed out.

See my post #1905. The 80.2 seems to be converting any video signal (at least using the HDMI output and with the video processor on) to 10-bit Deep Color. It is easy to see the input and output bit/channel by pressing Home and checking the Info section. I have an RS25 and I did similar testing but with the 80.2 video processor on only. The JVC Deep Color indicator showed 8 bit per channel when connected directly to my Oppo but 10 bit per channel when connected through the 80.2. In both cases the Oppo's deep color mode was set to Off.
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Well, so much for buying an 80.2. It looks like DTS has their new NEO:X sound format which will be integrated into the 2011 Onkyo/Integra lines... I might as well wait 6mos and get the next revision for that. I can never get more than 15% discount on Integra stuff anyway...

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there is always going to be something new coming out. Wait 6 months, buy NEX:X, then 6months later, a new audio format will be out. Enjoy the time now, or you'll always be waiting for the next generation!
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See my post #1905. The 80.2 seems to be converting any video signal (at least using the HDMI output and with the video processor on) to 10-bit Deep Color. It is easy to see the input and output bit/channel by pressing Home and checking the Info section. I have an RS25 and I did similar testing but with the 80.2 video processor on only. The JVC Deep Color indicator showed 8 bit per channel when connected directly to my Oppo but 10 bit per channel when connected through the 80.2. In both cases the Oppo's deep color mode was set to Off.

Your post is what prompted me to look into this but I am not getting deep color with my Oppo 83 but I am with my cable box. I only tested with a 1080p/24 disc, maybe it only does it with 1080p/60 and below?
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Your post is what prompted me to look into this but I am not getting deep color with my Oppo 83 but I am with my cable box. I only tested with a 1080p/24 disc, maybe it only does it with 1080p/60 and below?

Strange...in my case the 80.2 will always "convert" to 10-bit deep color, at least for both my video sources (cable box and Oppo). I have the Oppo setup for 1080p/24 so it's definitely doing it for both 1080p/60 and 24. I ended up setting the Oppo at 30 bits so that the 80.2 would not do any extra conversion, but who knows.
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Well, so much for buying an 80.2. It looks like DTS has their new NEO:X sound format which will be integrated into the 2011 Onkyo/Integra lines... I might as well wait 6mos and get the next revision for that. I can never get more than 15% discount on Integra stuff anyway...

The Onkyo 5508 is nearly identical to the 80.2. You might find pricing more favorable.
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What mode do you listen to two channel music if not stereo? Listening to some Indian ragas right now via my squeezetouch and stereo seems best .

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The answer is that for the past 3 years since discovering Mch classical music I simply do not listen to stereo recordings any more, only Mch ones. It helps that I am a classical music afficianado, where Mch music is reasonably available. Unlike stereo, Mch provides a way, way better replica of the live concert hall experience than stereo ever can, to my ears. I have heard a fair number of very pricey, highly praised stereo systems costing hundreds of $thousands. A good friend is a prominent equipment reviewer, and I have heard some of the outrageously priced stereo stuff he has gone ballistically over the top about. Frankly, I would not swap what I have for any of them. Some high enders roll their eyes about my 80.2/Oppo BDP-83 front end, but it is me who has the last laugh. A few of them have become convinced of that upon hearing my system.

Purist that I am, if I were to listen to stereo sources, it would be in plain stereo. But, a good classical music friend who bought my 80.1 is very pleased with some of the surround modes on his large library of stereo recordings on his hard drive.

Hi Joel,

I am mostly a movie watcher, and I certainly don't have the critical ear of Fitz, but nevertheless I am inclined to completely agree with his point of view, and I never listen in the Stereo listening mode.

I have started buying multi-channel Blu-ray and HD DVD concerts and classical music, and in my home theater it definitely sounds superior to stereo.

Fitz will probably cringe when I say this, but on those rare occasions where I want to listen to a stereo recording it always sounds better when upconverted to multi-channel. It should be pointed out that the ideal acoustic environment for listening to two-channel is different than the ideal environment for multi-channel. Two channel requires a fairly lively acoustic environment to supply ambiance via room reflections. In contrast multi-channel recordings supply the ambiance via the surround channels and it is therefore better to have a relatively dead acoustic environment to permit us to hear that ambience without being unduly colored by room reflections.

Since my home theater was designed for multichannel movies it is rather acoustically dead. Therefore, playing just two channels results in a presentation that lacks spaciousness and liveliness. Upconverting two-channel recordings to 7.1, while not perfect, nevertheless greatly improves the quality of the sound.

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Hi Joel,

I am mostly a movie watcher, and I certainly don't have the critical ear of Fitz, but nevertheless I am inclined to completely agree with his point of view, and I never listen in the Stereo listening mode.

I have started buying multi-channel Blu-ray and HD DVD concerts and classical music, and in my home theater it definitely sounds superior to stereo.

Fitz will probably cringe when I say this, but on those rare occasions where I want to listen to a stereo recording it always sounds better when upconverted to multi-channel. It should be pointed out that the ideal acoustic environment for listening to two-channel is different than the ideal environment for multi-channel. Two channel requires a fairly lively acoustic environment to supply ambiance via room reflections. In contrast multi-channel recordings supply the ambiance via the surround channels and it is therefore better to have a relatively dead acoustic environment to permit us to hear that ambience without being unduly colored by room reflections.

Since my home theater was designed for multichannel movies it is rather acoustically dead. Therefore, playing just two channels results in a presentation that lacks spaciousness and liveliness. Upconverting two-channel recordings to 7.1, while not perfect, nevertheless greatly improves the quality of the sound.

Larry

All good points. I have a few thousand CDs ripped to disk. Most but not all sound best in stereo. My room is small with some reflecting surfaces and some acoustic treatment. I have found the 80.2 + the pro kit to have enhanced my stereo listening experience in this room.

SACD is great and I am trying to increase my holdings It took many years get my cd library so it will take a while to get anywhere near what I have now with SACDs.

There is also less choice in SACDs then in CD right now.


I also buy blu ray operas and other musical blu rays which I enjoy.

It is also a shame one can not rip SACDs for easy access and searching. I can only hope that as technology develops, the people who love music will gain from the process.


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I just got a email from Audyssey saying that the Installer Kit now goes for 400. I paid over 550 last year.

I read your post and immediately emailed Audyssey yesterday and got a call from a salesman today telling me they do not sell direct to the public anymore and said I'd have to buy from a dealer. He told me the price for the kit is $550 plus $150 for the license. He was very clear on the price. I told him people on the forum have posted that they bought direct and he said that was in the past. He just refused to sell to me direct.
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Hi, first, excuse my bad english , i'm from Quebec Canada (i say it's not a good reason ).
I reacently purchase a 80.2 on a authorised dealer (i don't have yet) and i want to know if it's possible to find an instruction manuel in french for operate it correctely.

I read your thread (an congratulation, it is very good) but i'm not understand every tricks or manipulation at all. This componant seems very complicate and i want a full operation of it.

Have a nice evening guy's and thanks

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What is the benefit of the Aud Installer Kit?
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Hi, first, excuse my bad english , i'm from Quebec Canada (i say it's not a good reason ).
I reacently purchase a 80.2 on a authorised dealer (i don't have yet) and i want to know if it's possible to find an instruction manuel in french for operate it correctely.

I read your thread (an congratulation, it is very good) but i'm not understand every tricks or manipulation at all. This componant seems very complicate and i want a full operation of it.

Have a nice evening guy's and thanks

Daniel

Daniel,
your english seems to be good enough....you should be able to understand the manual.
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What is the benefit of the Aud Installer Kit?

It allows you to use MultEQ Pro (or Audyssey Pro) software. Search for either/both of these terms on AVS for info.

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there is always going to be something new coming out. Wait 6 months, buy NEX:X, then 6months later, a new audio format will be out. Enjoy the time now, or you'll always be waiting for the next generation!

This is true, but based on the article I read it looks like the new Onkyos will also support 11.1, which will not only fill out NEO:X, but also will allow full potential for Audyssey DSX. Remember, I have a DTC-9.8, so I 'm not exactly suffering at the moment.

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I read your post and immediately emailed Audyssey yesterday and got a call from a salesman today telling me they do not sell direct to the public anymore and said I'd have to buy from a dealer. He told me the price for the kit is $550 plus $150 for the license. He was very clear on the price. I told him people on the forum have posted that they bought direct and he said that was in the past. He just refused to sell to me direct.

I emailed Audyssey a couple of days ago about the pro kit and they referred me to a distributer. Audyssey would not sell directly to me. I couldn't find a local dealer who would do anything but refer me to Audyssey but the distributer was very helpful and responsive. I was quoted the same $550 pricing and $150 licensing.
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Does anyone experience relay clicks during every song change when listening to Pandora radio?

I am getting them now but do not remember this happening before. If I changed something I do not remember what it was .

thx
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Daniel,
your english seems to be good enough....you should be able to understand the manual.

Thanks shumi_9, but i've taked 3 hours for wrote this fews lines..

Really, it's much easy to understand in motherlanguage thers complicates terms and specials techno ideas, specially for my 54 body thinks...

Anyway i wrote Integra Europe and they tell me have to ask my dealer. and he didn't know for a french version of an operating manuel.

However, i just receive my 33 feet long of a HDMI cable today (buy at Justonecable on net), because monoprice didn't have as long 25 feet in 1.4a..

And i hope for difficulte thinks or words, i can refer to your strongly experience and your amability...

and of course read your thread

Have a nice evening

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Thanks shumi_9, but i've taked 3 hours for wrote this fews lines..

Really, it's much easy to understand in motherlanguage thers complicates terms and specials techno ideas, specially for my 54 body thinks...

Anyway i wrote Integra Europe and they tell me have to ask my dealer. and he didn't know for a french version of an operating manuel.

However, i just receive my 33 feet long of a HDMI cable today (buy at Justonecable on net), because monoprice didn't have as long 25 feet in 1.4a..

And i hope for difficulte thinks or words, i can refer to your strongly experience and your amability...

and of course read your thread

Have a nice evening

Daniel

Bonjour Daniel,

Manuel d’instructions pour Onkyo PR-SC5508, la soeur jumelle de Integra DHC-80.2. Les différences sont très, très petites.

Pardon mon Google Français,
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Is 10 meters ok for hdmi 1.4a ?
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Is 10 meters ok for hdmi 1.4a ?

Depends on the cable and the equipment on either end of the run.
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WOW!! thats good and fast enough my esperance. This manuel is very appreciate, thanks very much.
I know the 5508 is very similar than the 80.2, and this manuel help me to understand some thinks i misunderstand.

Please convinience, your ''Google Français'' is worse than your kindness. Thank you very much again and I love to read and learn from your experience.

Nice evening to all,

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Yes...I too get the relay clicks in between songs on Pandora, as well as any time I pause, ff, rew, or skip chapters in any source (Dish Network, Oppo BDP-83, PS3, Toshiba A35). It's been that way from day one for me. I've set up my listening mode presets but it really hasn't done anything to mitigate the clicks.

I know this may not be an ideal solution (or even possible) for everyone, but this is what I've done to mitigate the clicks. I discovered the relay clicks were practically non-existent when turning off the subwoofer channels in the speaker configuration set up menu. I don't have a dedicated subwoofer but was running the LFE line level output to the bottom half of my RBH 8300 SE/R's by way of two RBH SA-400 subwoofer amps. Since turning off the LFE channels eliminated their presence, I reconfigured my system to run my two towers at full range. Therefore my left and right channels are passing the full range signal to an Emotiva XPA-2, which in turn uses speaker level signals to the SA-400. The SA-400 automatically crosses the high's at 100 hz and outputs the signal to the top half of the tower, while the SA-400 amplifies the bottom half of the signal and routes it to the bottom of the towers. I'm pleasantly surprised how well everything now sounds, and the relay clicks are practically non-existent. Like I said above, I know this won't work for everyone, but it's certainly working for me.
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Does anyone experience relay clicks during every song change when listening to Pandora radio?

I am getting them now but do not remember this happening before. If I changed something I do not remember what it was .

thx

Yes, I'm getting them too. Always have, as far as I remember. I tolerate it, but it certainly makes Pandora less appealing than it would be otherwise.
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Did the 80.1 have clicks that anyone can say for sure?
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Did the 80.1 have clicks that anyone can say for sure?
I have an 80.1 and it does click. It is located in a closet so it is barely noticeable.

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