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Hello: Are newer receivers (pioneer SC 37 or Onkyo TX nR5007, denon) capable of accepting and play native full resolution music files 24/192 via computer PC digital out/rca into receiver digital coax or other analog inputs, without performing upconversions or any processing. In short Can these receiver accept 24/192 inputs and output 24/192 native?

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Hook up your computer via HDMI and you should be able to handle 8 channels of 192 kHz, 24-bit.

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Thanks for the reply. I wanted to listen and download (hi rez download sites )to 2 channel 24/192 Khz music files from linn website. So I take newer pioneer or onkyo receivers do not accept and ouput native24/192 music file via coax or analog going from computer to receiver analog in?

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All receivers should be able to accept analog stereo signals. There is no restriction on the content that can be received through analog RCA cables.
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I believe TrueHD & DTS-HD are 24/bit 96kHz, so I doubt any will accept 192kHz in. Usually 192 rate is for internal oversampling in the DAC.
Some of the new Yamaha RX-A series receivers will accept 24/96 via their ethernet in as well (and 24-bit 48 kHz via USB too).
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Thanks for the reply. I wanted to listen and download (hi rez download sites )to 2 channel 24/192 Khz music files from linn website.


Me too!

But after looking and thinking about it, it is likely a bad idea and NOT cost effective.

IMO go with SACD for high rez 2 channel. It's already there, and there are a lot of excellent SACD discs (new and used) on the open market. And the prices are still better than downloading expensive high rez 24/192 from Linn or others.


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So I take newer pioneer or onkyo receivers do not accept and ouput native24/192 music file via coax or analog going from computer to receiver analog in?


AFAIK, in order to do 24/192 stereo music from your PC effectively, you 1st need to have a very expensive music system, not to mention a capable PC.

Given that you want to do it from your PC, I have to think that you'd be better off to focus on 16/44.1 from your PC.

IMO that (16/44.1) is worth doing.

Why is it that 24/192 seems so attractive to you for using a PC as source?


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I believe TrueHD & DTS-HD are 24/bit 96kHz, so I doubt any will accept 192kHz in.

My receiver (Pioneer VSX-9140TXH) will handle at least 2-channel 192 kHz. For example, I can set my PS3 to upsample CDs to 192. [ EDIT: Correction. I believe the PS3 upsamples CDs to 176.4, not 192 (176.4 being a multiple of 44.1). I usually leave it at 44.1 and let my receiver upsample as required.]

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This receiver can only play back Dolby Digital, PCM (32 kHz to 192 kHz), DTS (including DTS 96/24) and WMA9 Pro digital signal formats. The compatible signals via the HDMI terminals are: Dolby Digital, DTS, WMA9 Pro, PCM (32 kHz to 192 kHz), Dolby TrueHD, Dolby Digital Plus, DTS-EXPRESS, DTS-HD Master Audio, SACD and DVD Audio (including 192 kHz).

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Just curiosity, as I thought receivers are limited to 24/96 for computer audio files (wav, FLAC etc), then can upsample!!! (but are not native pass through) to 192 through DAC of receivers. I have had cary DAC that accepts 192 resolution and plays it natively (not upsample)

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If you are going to send the signal digitally (via hdmi/optical/etc), then it has to be in a format your receiver can decode. If it is something like wav or mp3, then your computer would convert it to PCM before sending it through.

I see that my receiver will decode mp3, wav or wma from USB, but only up to 48 kHz and only 2 channel.
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Just curiosity, as I thought receivers are limited to 24/96 for computer audio files (wav, FLAC etc), then can upsample!!! (but are not native pass through) to 192 through DAC of receivers. I have had cary DAC that accepts 192 resolution and plays it natively (not upsample)

I have my PC connected to my Pioneer VSX-33 via a digital coax. I play hi resolution downloads from Linn (24/192 studio masters) and HD tracks (24/96, 24/88.2) via Media Monkey. When I hit the "status" button on the receiver remote it correctly displays the incoming signal as 192KHZ for 24/192 files. When I play 24/96 files the reciever status indicates incoming signal as 96khz. The only problem is that soundcard card converts 24/88.2 files to 96khz. I am in the market for a new soundcard with updaed drivers.

I have created DVD-audio's of the same downloads using an app from Cirlinca and when played back via HDMI on my Denon DVD-audio player my reciever indicates the freq for the 24/88.2 tracks as 88.2khz correctly and 24/192 tracks as 192khz.

So, I would say the new Elites from VSX-33 to SC-37 can recieve 192khz natively through the digital inputs (coax and HDMI).

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I can't say for sure about latest models, but 2 - 3 years old Denons and Onkyos could accept 24/192 PCM via S/PDIFF, but stereo only. You need HDMI for multichannel.
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I used to own the Onkyo TX-NR5007 and that receiver supported 24/96 stereo playback via USB and accepted multichannel 24/96 via HDMI. I never tried stereo 24/192 via HDMI on that receiver.

I have also been able to playback 24/96 downloads on the Denon 4310 and 4311 via USB.

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