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Jeffrey,

Kind of old news as I believe Chu had unearthed the Tonewinner/Emotiva connection awhile ago. Now if Tonewinner opens up a ID company in the US, creates a non negative rules forum and provides plenty of everyones favorite powdered beverage then I think Emotiva might be a bit worried.

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Thanks to saginawjuggalo for all the great pics. I know this was unearthed before but I did not know that they were also involved in the new PMC XMC as well.
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I really like the AD-25E pictured on the right. That will probably be their new reciever
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Thanks to saginawjuggalo for all the great pics. I know this was unearthed before but I did not know that they were also involved in the new PMC XMC as well.

No problem and thanks for the credit

I spent hours on this... Mainly due to the ultra slow Chinese websites. I saved and reuploaded them so they would load quicky.


Additional pictures can be found here: http://forum.blu-ray.com/pre-pro-amp...hread-514.html

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The styling does look quite similar to ToneWinner's AD7100HD/7100PA if you ask me. The glowing blue strips, the ever so slight two-tone color that corresponds with the unique shape. Even the units sitting next to the AD7100HD look in many ways like the pro-line.. the volume knob, case shape etc. Sure they swapped a few thing around on the front panel and added a few custom touches... this is not hard for a electronics producer to do. I like the looks of the EmoPro better but regardless they still look like they were birthed out of the same mother (Chinese factory). Same blue LEDs for each amplifier channel. I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts this is a Tonewinner. I haven't seen any processors or AVR come close this XMC-1/PCM spec wise but I am positive the details will leak. I have my doubts about Emotiva building this thing from the ground up so quickly.. I'm sure they are standing on someone else's platform and I'm perfectly fine with that 'if' things turn out better than the UMC-1. Given Emo's track record my eyes are on Winner/Sherbourne

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They really don't look that much alike. Not saying who makes it. Just saying based on looks alone, you would have a rather long row to hoe.

The amps look a bit alike, but how many ways are they to make an amp?

The processors look quite different.

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Other folks OEM'ing from ToneWinner are,

http://www.advance-acoustic.com/en/produits/index//id/1

http://www.xtz.se/uk/products/electronics/overview1

and some of their products you can get on ebay.

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The amps look a bit alike, but how many ways are they to make an amp?



1: Winner 7100PA (aka UPA-7): http://www.tonewinner.com/product/pr...Product_ID=177





2: Sherbourn 5-200 (aka XPA-5): http://sherbourn.com/home-theater-pr...herbourn-5-200



SEE POST #19

3? Sherbourn 7-150: It's the seven channel XPA that never was.

http://sherbourn.com/home-theater-pr...herbourn-7-150





Just for more heck of it.... a UMC-1 receiver.

Sherbourn SR-120 "coming soon"

PDF/Brochure: http://www.sherbourn.com/images/Broc..._SR-120_hr.pdf



and the late great Parasound HDP70


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If Tone Winner can't get the UMC right, how can Tone Winner get a $2999.00 unit to work correctly?
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Amen. I think for all the pain and suffering UMC-1 owners have experienced we should be entitled to a XMC-1 trade in. A free trade for the XMC-1 from the UMC-1 and send in all the UMC-1s and have a wasted 5 years waiting for the LMC-1 replacement bonfire
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http://emotivalounge.proboards.com/i...y&thread=12896

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Will the new XMC be made by Tonwinner like the UMC?

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Yes


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He stated his peace - not sure he'll be sayin much more... nor does he really have to IMO.
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Look what I ran across on a Chinese audio forum: http://av199.mobi/viewthread.php?tid...&extra=&page=2

Take notice of the Sherbourne banner on the page.






Mighty similar fronts I must say... power button, LED readout, brushed steel, grey text and even silver trim pieces

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Man, I'd take both of them!
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Check out the addresses here:

http://sherbourn.com/index.php?optio...d=54&Itemid=34

http://emotiva.com/contact.shtm

Obviously they both have the same owner and are pitching the same chinese garbage under different names.
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That's nothing really new. It's fairly common knowledge around here that Emotiva recently bought out and took over Sherbourn.
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pitching the same chinese garbage under different names.

Just because its made in China doesn't mean it's garbage - but I guess everything you own and ever will own is entirely made in the United States by hand by Native Americans, and all of the raw materials used in such manufacturing is also from the United States, mined by Native Americans. Right?

There's a large difference between picking up some cheap OEM garbage and re-selling it at a billion times mark-up, and simply picking up a working OEM product and re-selling it at a reasonable (insofar as the market accepts it) price.

The pictures do look identical, at least for the XPA and UPA amplifiers, I would venture a guess that the pre/pro is from the same source, but perhaps has had some changes made to it over the Winner one?

Always fun to see OEM<->"Brand" links established outside of the walled garden.
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I have never understood the assertion that a product is inferior because it's made in China. If the design, components and manufacturing process is controlled, why won't the final product be good?

I believe my Yamaha 867 was made in china...seems well made to me.

"But this one goes up to 11"
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A closer look at the different amp incarnations of Tonewinner will uncover some differences to the Emotiva models although the amps look quite similar. The UPA-7 i.e and its similar companion from Tonewinner are not identical, the one from Tonewinner has a bigger power supply (1100 W) and different specs too. Note: They don't seem to be an Audyssey licensee, thus none of the upcoming products will (probably) contain this technology...

This probably holds true for other units also as Tonewinner acts as an OEM supplier, which manufacturers to customer specs:

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