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^^^

as an aside, if you go the apple route (either atv or ax), you won't need a separate wireless device...

pimping apple now?
couldn't resist - hehe
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^^^

as an aside, if you go the apple route (either atv or ax), you won't need a separate wireless device...

I know this isn't related to the receiver, but just curious-I tried an app-tv with my ipad2 to stream Pandora and internet radio, works great until you multi-task..as soon as I started surfing, got dropouts. They were specifically related to times when something was loading (not speed issue-works fine on the ipad without streaming to app-tv). Just wondering if you have encountered this problem-maybe it was a bad app-tv?
Thanks
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Got the VSX-33 and setup was a breeze (since I had experience with my VSX-30 which I returned). I have connected a couple of things to Zone 2 and Zone 3 outs, but I haven't played/tested with that yet. Hopefully tonight.

Yeah I got mine online so I guess that means I can't take advantage of the 2-year warranty (?) but if so, I don't really care. I trust it will work fine for years. As opposed to my HK receiver which although I picked because of great reviews 6 years ago, it turned out to be plagued with failures. Ugh. I'll stay away from that brand for AVRs...
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pimping apple now?
couldn't resist - hehe

lol... you know i'm an even bigger apple ho' than a pio ho'...

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I know this isn't related to the receiver, but just curious-I tried an app-tv with my ipad2 to stream Pandora and internet radio, works great until you multi-task..as soon as I started surfing, got dropouts. They were specifically related to times when something was loading (not speed issue-works fine on the ipad without streaming to app-tv). Just wondering if you have encountered this problem-maybe it was a bad app-tv?
Thanks

i haven't come across that issue, but i haven't laid my hands on a new ipad yet... hopefully soon... i'm jonesin' for one something wicked bad...

my "guess" of where to start with that is to look at your network, because what you are seeing could be network congestion... virtually every "drop" issue i've come across in the past has been network related... do you have qos enabled on your router for something else by any chance?

i do know i don't get any drops streaming from either an iphone or a mac mini to either an atv, ax or directly to my pre-pro (airplay enabled)... that doesn't mean you won't... but drops would drive me CRAZY... so i don't blame you for wanting to track this down...

experiment... while doing the thing that causes it to drop (streaming and surfing), monitor your network from your computer and take a look at what is happening... let's see what you see there...

i HOPE it's a network issue, because i'd hate to think that the ipad couldn't manage it's network connection well enough to not have conflicts...
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yea, that IS a significant upgrade... i want to see some pics... there's too little audio porn in this thread...

Will post audio porn shots, just got a new camera, can't think of anything better to shoot, showing my complete infatuation with this hobby.

Transition:

Sony HTIB system (5.1). ->

Sony + Mirage OMD-1 center + 4 RC-mini surrounds, HTIB sub ->

Pioneer 1019 + above speakers ->

Pioneer VSX-33 + RC-10 fronts + RC-mini center + RC-mini surrounds + Energy ESW-V8 sub (it is an apartment, after all) ->

Pioneer VSX-33 + RC-50 fronts + RC-LCR center + RC-mini surrounds + Energy ESW-V8 sub

The RC-10s are slated for either sides on the main system or fronts on a sound system for either my bedroom or my daughters' bedroom. Depending on how they're acting on a particular day.

Pictures will follow.
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I just stumbled on this model and can't believe the specs for the price! Is thing really that good and that cheap? Amazon has it for $549 right now. The only feature it doesn't have that I was interested in is Airplay but I figure I'll just pick up an Apple TV. So what's the catch?
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^^^

i'm guessing that it's the beginning of the close out sales, so get 'em while you see the low prices, as prices will now begin to change on a daily basis... i don't think they'll get a lot cheaper than that number though...

no catch...
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Will post audio porn shots, just got a new camera, can't think of anything better to shoot, showing my complete infatuation with this hobby.

Transition:

Sony HTIB system (5.1). ->

Sony + Mirage OMD-1 center + 4 RC-mini surrounds, HTIB sub ->

Pioneer 1019 + above speakers ->

Pioneer VSX-33 + RC-10 fronts + RC-mini center + RC-mini surrounds + Energy ESW-V8 sub (it is an apartment, after all) ->

Pioneer VSX-33 + RC-50 fronts + RC-LCR center + RC-mini surrounds + Energy ESW-V8 sub

The RC-10s are slated for either sides on the main system or fronts on a sound system for either my bedroom or my daughters' bedroom. Depending on how they're acting on a particular day.

Pictures will follow.

cool, i'm waiting...

your upgrade path was pretty direct... you did good...

lol @ the daughter comment...
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I just stumbled on this model and can't believe the specs for the price! Is thing really that good and that cheap? Amazon has it for $549 right now. The only feature it doesn't have that I was interested in is Airplay but I figure I'll just pick up an Apple TV. So what's the catch?

the catch is no warranty

the price is jumping around. it was 549 yesterday morning, then it jumped to $670 or so, then went back to 549 today
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the catch is no warranty

the price is jumping around. it was 549 yesterday morning, then it jumped to $670 or so, then went back to 549 today

Why wouldn't it have a warranty
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^^^

pio elite avr's carry no warrantee when not bought from an authorized seller...

and there are NO authorized online sellers...
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Why wouldn't it have a warranty

because its an elite line

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...ceName=default

*Pioneer does NOT authorize any dealers to sell Elite-branded products on the Internet (only in-store sales are permitted). Therefore, any Elite-branded product purchased on the Internet is NOT authorized, which means that it does NOT carry the manufacturer's limited warranty and does not qualify for any manufacturer's rebate.

if anybody finds this isnt the case, please let me know because i would have bought the 33 already
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^^^

pio elite avr's carry no warrantee when not bought from an authorized seller...

and there are NO authorized online sellers...

Oh I see. This one is being sold by HookedOnTronics through Amazon and they apparently have a 1 year warranty on all items sold from them. So I guess it's better than nothing and it's a great price. Think I'll go for it.
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Oh I see. This one is being sold by HookedOnTronics through Amazon and they apparently have a 1 year warranty on all items sold from them. So I guess it's better than nothing and it's a great price. Think I'll go for it.

i cant find the part about the 1 year warranty. i believe you, i just cant find it. i really want to buy this thing!
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i cant find the part about the 1 year warranty. i believe you, i just cant find it. i really want to buy this thing!

On their website they describe the warranty:

http://www.hookedontronics.com/show_...91&brandtype=0

It's cheaper if you buy through Amazon though. You can also see the warranty info on the seller description:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...&condition=new
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I have had my VSX-32 hooked up for 3 days now and wow!!! The audio is so clean, so dynamic. The receiver is hooked up to a pair of Klipsch RP-5 powered towers. Actually I bi-amped them with the remaining surround channels not in use. I ripped some tunes as a WAV (lossless) file on to a portable external hard drive and connected it to the Receiver's USB port. My entire CD collection at the touch of a button with no need to handle any physical media. The lossless WAV files played back on the Receiver's DAC's is like fine wine for the ears. I am totally happy with my purchase. I hooked up a wireless bridge to the LAN and am listening to the preset Internet Radio stations. Still trying to figure out how to set-up my own stations but I can re-read the manuel while listening to my HDD full of WAV files. Awesome! Oh yeah...finally being able to hear what all the fuss is about regarding Dolby True HD and DTS HDMA is like pulling a wet blanket off my speakers. It really does make a difference. I havent played with much of the other options but I am looking forward to the weekend! Highly Recommended Purchase.
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I have had my VSX-32 hooked up for 3 days now and wow!!! The audio is so clean, so dynamic. The receiver is hooked up to a pair of Klipsch RP-5 powered towers. Actually I bi-amped them with the remaining surround channels not in use. I ripped some tunes as a WAV (lossless) file on to a portable external hard drive and connected it to the Receiver's USB port. My entire CD collection at the touch of a button with no need to handle any physical media. The lossless WAV files played back on the Receiver's DAC's is like fine wine for the ears. I am totally happy with my purchase. I hooked up a wireless bridge to the LAN and am listening to the preset Internet Radio stations. Still trying to figure out how to set-up my own stations but I can re-read the manuel while listening to my HDD full of WAV files. Awesome! Oh yeah...finally being able to hear what all the fuss is about regarding Dolby True HD and DTS HDMA is like pulling a wet blanket off my speakers. It really does make a difference. I havent played with much of the other options but I am looking forward to the weekend! Highly Recommended Purchase.

Awesome to hear Congrats on your purchase! I ordered the 33 yesterday. Can't wait!
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Got the VSX-33 and setup was a breeze (since I had experience with my VSX-30 which I returned). I have connected a couple of things to Zone 2 and Zone 3 outs, but I haven't played/tested with that yet. Hopefully tonight.

Yeah I got mine online so I guess that means I can't take advantage of the 2-year warranty (?) but if so, I don't really care. I trust it will work fine for years. As opposed to my HK receiver which although I picked because of great reviews 6 years ago, it turned out to be plagued with failures. Ugh. I'll stay away from that brand for AVRs...

I will be ordering the VSX-33 in a day or so. Let me know what you think please. Thinking of matching it up with the Polk RTiA3's as fronts and probably biamping. And adding the Polk CSI A4 or th CSI A6 from Polk as the center. Any thought or inputs would be appreciated. Thanks again
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I'm trying to decide between the VSX-33 and Emotiva XPA-5 amp or the SC-37. Why did you go with the VXS-32 and why didn’t you move to the SC line and skip the amp?

How necessary is the added amp with the VSX-33?
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How necessary is the added amp with the VSX-33?

I can't imagine everyone would need an amp to bring the sound output to these specs:

"Emotiva XPA-5: 200 watts RMS x 5 into 8 ohms | 300 watts RMS x 5 into 4 ohms"

The VSX-33 gives great sound at it's 110 watts per channel. If your room is "really" large, then maybe an added amp would help, but here is what THX recommends:

VSX-33 is THX Select 2 Certified:
"THX Select2 Certified products are for medium sized rooms, up to 2,000 cubic feet in size, with a 10-12 foot viewing distance from the screen."
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I can't imagine everyone would need an amp to bring the sound output to these specs:

"Emotiva XPA-5: 200 watts RMS x 5 into 8 ohms | 300 watts RMS x 5 into 4 ohms"

The VSX-33 gives great sound at it's 110 watts per channel. If your room is "really" large, then maybe an added amp would help, but here is what THX recommends:

VSX-33 is THX Select 2 Certified:
"THX Select2 Certified products are for medium sized rooms, up to 2,000 cubic feet in size, with a 10-12 foot viewing distance from the screen."

What I've read is that A/V Receivers never really reach what they claim in terms of power output.

I have the VSX-33 and my speaker setup is the following:
Fronts: Polk RTi A9s
Center: CSi A6
Sides: FXi A6
Rear: RTi A3
Subs: 2 x DSW Pro 600

The sound is great with the VSX-33, but I have found the low end on the RTi A9s to be a bit lacking. I attribute this to the lack of power.

I play on getting an XPA-2 for the A9s, and an XPA-5 for the rest of the system. Truthfully, my room isn't that large, but the XPA-2 will help bring out the lows of my fronts, and enhance the rest of the system at all listening levels.
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What I've read is that A/V Receivers never really reach what they claim in terms of power output.

I have the VSX-33 and my speaker setup is the following:
Fronts: Polk RTi A9s
Center: CSi A6
Sides: FXi A6
Rear: RTi A3
Subs: 2 x DSW Pro 600

The sound is great with the VSX-33, but I have found the low end on the RTi A9s to be a bit lacking. I attribute this to the lack of power.

I play on getting an XPA-2 for the A9s, and an XPA-5 for the rest of the system. Truthfully, my room isn't that large, but the XPA-2 will help bring out the lows of my fronts, and enhance the rest of the system at all listening levels.

Sounds plausible. In our case, the 12" sub is powered, so the amplifier power on the VSX-33 isn't really in the equation for the LFE stuff.

I would look in to a powered sub before strictly going for an amp, if the powered sub is more cost-effective.

If my thinking is wrong, feel free to correct me!

Here is some interesting info on power vs. dB output:

Here’s a simple chart to give you an idea of how power relates to speaker volume. These numbers aren’t based on any particular manufacturer amplifier or speaker, but rather just to give you a simple point of reference for a speaker with a Sensitivity Rating of 87 dB.

Power in watts ---- Volume in dB
1 ------------------87
2 ------------------90
4 ------------------93
10 -----------------97
20 -----------------100
40 -----------------103
100 ----------------107
200 ----------------110
400 ----------------113

As you can see from the chart above, you can get a fair amount of volume (dB) out of as little as 32 watts of power (continuous) for a speaker with a Sensitivity Rating of 87 dB.

Basically Sensitivity is the speakers’ ability to efficiently use the amplifiers energy to create sound. This spec is rated in decibels (dB), but how it’s measured is also important to know. Consider a speaker with a Sensitivity Rating of 87 dB. The standard for achieving this rating is 1 watt/1 meter. This means the speaker will produce sound at the volume of 87 dB, measured by a microphone placed 1 meter away when it’s given the input power of 1 watt. (Typically, the input sound is 1 kHz.) Many of today’s mass-marketed loudspeakers range closer to 84 dB.
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Sounds plausible. In our case, the 12" sub is powered, so the amplifier power on the VSX-33 isn't really in the equation for the LFE stuff.

I would look in to a powered sub before strictly going for an amp, if the powered sub is more cost-effective.

If my thinking is wrong, feel free to correct me!

The subs are both powered, so that's not an issue for me. The RTi A9s go down pretty low (30hz) and you can definitely tell the low end needs more power to really come through.

Interesting info otherwise....
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Where is your crossover set? You might try adjusting that first to see if you get the bass you are looking for. 80Hz is a good place to start.
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The sound is great with the VSX-33, but I have found the low end on the RTi A9s to be a bit lacking. I attribute this to the lack of power.

i'd more likely attribute it to a null being created by speaker/room interaction... lack of power would be indicated if you were clipping...

edit: additionally, there will be zero benefit (as in NONE) at lower listening levels...

what is your xover set at? have you got any measurements?
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Many of today's mass-marketed loudspeakers range closer to 84 dB.

that is not true... not even close to being true, ftm...
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that is not true... not even close to being true, ftm...

Cool,

I got the info from a web site. What is true?
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^^^

good question...

putting htib junk out of the equation...

84db sensitivity speakers are actually quite rare... and with good reasons, one being that little table you posted in an earlier post for one, amoungst a whole boatload of other reasons...

speakers with sensitivities in the upper 80's aren't uncommon, but they generally aren't what one would consider "consumer" mass marketed speakers....

speakers with sensitivities ranging from 90 (like the op's, for example) to the low 100's (klipsch, a few others) would be where "most" consumer speakers would fall...

unless the op is in a really big room, the avr has more than enough power to drive his speakers...

i'm gonna take a wag... i going to guess either:

- he has his speakers set to "large".... (and yes, i know the a9's have a built in "sub", or what they refer to as "subwoofer" in their specs)...
or
- he is crossing them over too low...

i understand the claimed frequency response of the speakers as well... in-room frequency response (as well as what happens to that response curve when significant power is applied) is a whole different story....
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I do have the RTi A9s set to "Large". I believe there is one other option for the bass which is "LFE + Main" or "Sub + Main" which I also have set.

Crossover is irrelevant for the fronts. Its set to 80Hz otherwise.
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^^^

try setting them to small and crossing them over at 80...

also, ime (and the e of many others), "sub + main" isn't the optimal setting to use... although that may seem counterintuitive, it's not... it's likely contributing to the nulls you are experiencing... "sub + main" almost always results in lumpy bass...

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