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I have been given permission from the Outlaws to post Peter Tribeman's 978/998 pre/pro announcement here. This unit just popped up on my radar after someone posted in the Audyssey thread that the unit would have Audyssey. Some drama ensued .. and anyway, if true this unit would join the Integra 80.2 on my very short list of possible upgrades for my OP885. Here's the announcement, the original can be found at this link:

Fellow Outlaws and Gunslingers:

On behalf of the Outlaws, I want to thank you for your comments and criticism about us in this thread. In particular we have found the extensive comments by RedslinPA very perceptive. (I wonder if he is bugging the Hideout!)

Developing a fully featured, state of the art surround processor is extremely complex . Indeed, the market for surround processors has become a moving target with everyone struggling to keep up with the changing technology environment for HDMI, connectivity and audio codecs. Yet those of us in this business have no choice but to play the cards we have been dealt, even if they are constantly being re-shuffled in the middle of a hand.

As I promised you last week, here is an update on the Model 998. We waited until now so that we could include information from the in-person meetings the Outlaws held last week during CEDIA Expo in Atlanta with our processor design team. With those meetings now complete, we can provide you with an up to date status report.

While there has been a great deal of on-going activity and much progress on the Model 998, we have also confronted a number of technical issues that had to be resolved.

First, and most important, despite our continued commitment to implementing Trinnov processing on the Model 998, we have encountered substantial development hurdles. At the same time, the design team has had its hands full working to ensure a totally bug-free implementation of HDMI Version 1.4a with both 3D capability and the Audio Return Channel.

The time and effort required to deliver truly consistent compatibility with the wide range of Blu-ray players, cable boxes, satellite receivers, telco based services such as FIOS, games and other external sources is a major challenge. These are new technologies that require extraordinary care and testing. (Anyone who has followed the discussions in the on-line forums knows that even some of the big players in this industry have already learned the hard way that this is a difficult technology to master).

Given a finite set of engineering resources, we realized that it would simply cause an unacceptable delay if we were to simultaneously implement both Trinnov and HDMI Version 1.4a in a new AV processor at the same time and expect it be trouble free at launch.

With that in mind, it is clear to us that, at this time, flawless implementation of the new HDMI Version 1.4a features is more critical than Trinnov. Therefore, we have decided to modify our product plan by dropping Trinnov for now, with the revised processor named the Model 978. This will cause a slight delay in the introduction date from late this year to the first quarter of 2011, but it assures us a bug-free launch. Once we get past the launch of the Model 978 we will be free to return to work on the Trinnov-enabled Model 998.

To be clear, the Model 978 is not a “new” project, but simply a modified version of the same Model 998 we have been working on. As such, we can take advantage of the work already done to fill you in on some of the features and functions you will see in the Model 978.

From an operational standpoint, the Model 978 will be simple, straightforward and easy for everyone in the house to operate. The knowledgeable home theater enthusiast will have the power and flexibility they demand, while the more tech-averse members of the family will be able to use it without problems. After all, what fun is great sound and pictures if it’s too hard to use?

This ease of use will even extend to direct USB software upgrade capability. No “loaders” will be needed; simply download the files to a USB stick, plug it into the front panel USB jack, press a few buttons on the remote, and you will be good to go.

The Model 978 will include five “fast switching” HDMI inputs along with two HDMI outputs, and it will be fully compliant with Version 1.4a offering 3D compatability and the Audio Return Channel.

Our video processing and scaling will be from Anchor Bay, using the chip sets found on many high-end Blu-ray players and AVRs.

On the audio side there will be both balanced and “standard” unbalanced outputs, (including dual subwoofer outputs). Of course, there will also be multiple analog and digital inputs for your legacy sources.

As part of this “simple, straightforward, and great sounding” philosophy, we’ve intentionally decided not to include every “bell and whistle”. For example, there will not be any network connectivity or similar services. That is best left to other companies who specialize in this sort of technology, and you’ll have many options for that in your system as time moves forward. (In addition, the testing and compliance necessary for adding broadband or home-network connectivity would simply delay the product further.)

In the last year we have all noticed that networking capability has become redundant throughout home entertainment systems as it appears in a host of products. As more and more devices are network-equipped, it makes no sense for us to duplicate what you will undoubtedly have in your HDTV, Blu-ray player, video game console, HTPC, AppleTV, Roku, SqueezeBox, Popcorn, BoxeeBox or similar product to deliver networked entertainment and other subscription and streaming services. This way, those who desire such services will be able to select the product that best suits their needs without our cost-penalizing those who are not interested in them.

Our job will be to provide the needed HDMI, digital audio and analog audio inputs for you to connect to and to deliver the great sound and video these network services provide.

There is one more VERY CRITICAL aspect of the Model 978 I want to tell you about. The Outlaws have always been committed to audio quality, and that is where this processor will really shine. While the Model 978 will not include Trinnov, it will offer an Audyssey suite of EQ/Room Correction and Volume Leveling technologies.

The ADC, DSP and similar key components have also been carefully selected for audio quality with careful attention to both two-channel and multi-channel audio performance.

Most important, the Model 978 carries one addition to what was planned for the Model 998: true state of the art DACs. We’ve already auditioned them using a reference board, and the sound is just incredible. Regardless of the audio/video source or surround mode, the Model 978 will deliver sound quality well beyond anything we’ve ever been able to offer until now.

We will provide more details as we get closer, but a few additional points in anticipation of your questions:

* This will be an “Outlaw Exclusive” product. It is designed by us, and is being developed in conjunction with experienced engineering teams. Further, it will be built in a factory we have selected after examining a number of potential manufacturers. This isn’t an “off the shelf” product shared with others. If you want a product with these features, you’ll have to buy it from us.
* We own the design and we will own the software code. That means it will ship with all features working as promised. In the unlikely event that there are any problems we’ll be able to promptly correct them. If a patch is needed, you will have the USB-direct upgrade feature to modify the software without any “loader” hassles.The Model 978 will retain the same industrial design and appearance we’ve previously shown for our next generation platform.
* Based on the current schedule, we will have the first Alpha samples in November and a planned release date in the first quarter of 2011. As with any complex product, this date is subject to change due our requirement to put first round of off-tool samples through an extensive beta test that some of you will be part of. In addition, with some of the standards a moving target, we can’t nail down the exact time that will be needed to obtain all the needed certifications from HDMI, Dolby, DTS, UL/CSA and for FCC compliance testing.


The above notwithstanding, we’ll ship it as soon as it is fully ready, not before. We will do our beta testing before the product ships, not afterwards. We strongly believe that while home theater is a hobby to many, it has to be enjoyable for all and having to struggle to make a processor operate as it was intended should not be part of that equation.

The final question, of course, is “what will it cost”. We’ve already ordered some of the critical long-lead parts, but semiconductor pricing is still quite volatile. In addition, the cost of copper, aluminum and steel along with other parts and costs may cause some changes one way or the other. For now, let’s simply say that it will be a great value at any price. Oh, and yes, despite the model number change, any “Outlaw Owner Discounts” promised for the Model 998 will, of course, be applicable here.

A closing note: Along with the Model 978 and Model 998 we are in the midst of the most aggressive new product development cycle in our history. We have four design teams with specific specialties working on five new products, and they will ALL be Outlaw exclusives. (Although one company has asked us to build a version for them.) One product is so unique that we can say with a certainty that not only will no other brand offer it; there is no product like it anywhere in the consumer or professional audio markets. Two of these new products are in beta test as you read this, and at least one of them should be available before Thanksgiving. (It is the product we promised to the winner of the “Peter’s Demo” search a while back.)

Yes, there have been some bumps in the trail over the past year or so. However, let there be no doubt that the Outlaws are here to stay. We are committed to delivering high-value, high-performance audio and video products for many years to come.

Thank you.

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I have a high amount of anxiety that this unit WILL have Audyssey MultEQ XT 32 and DSX. It already seems to have everything else on my checklist.

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Wow like reading War & Peace.

Excited to hear the details as I'm in the market now for a pre/pro.

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I have been given permission from the Outlaws to post Peter Tribeman's 978/998 pre/pro announcement here. This unit just popped up on my radar after someone posted in the Audyssey thread that the unit would have Audyssey. Some drama ensued .. and anyway, if true this unit would join the Integra 80.2 on my very short list of possible upgrades for my OP885. Here's the announcement, the original can be found at this link:

Fellow Outlaws and Gunslingers:

On behalf of the Outlaws, I want to thank you for your comments and criticism about us in this thread. In particular we have found the extensive comments by RedslinPA very perceptive. (I wonder if he is bugging the Hideout!)

Developing a fully featured, state of the art surround processor is extremely complex . Indeed, the market for surround processors has become a moving target with everyone struggling to keep up with the changing technology environment for HDMI, connectivity and audio codecs. Yet those of us in this business have no choice but to play the cards we have been dealt, even if they are constantly being re-shuffled in the middle of a hand.

As I promised you last week, here is an update on the Model 998. We waited until now so that we could include information from the in-person meetings the Outlaws held last week during CEDIA Expo in Atlanta with our processor design team. With those meetings now complete, we can provide you with an up to date status report.

While there has been a great deal of on-going activity and much progress on the Model 998, we have also confronted a number of technical issues that had to be resolved.

First, and most important, despite our continued commitment to implementing Trinnov processing on the Model 998, we have encountered substantial development hurdles. At the same time, the design team has had its hands full working to ensure a totally bug-free implementation of HDMI Version 1.4a with both 3D capability and the Audio Return Channel.

The time and effort required to deliver truly consistent compatibility with the wide range of Blu-ray players, cable boxes, satellite receivers, telco based services such as FIOS, games and other external sources is a major challenge. These are new technologies that require extraordinary care and testing. (Anyone who has followed the discussions in the on-line forums knows that even some of the big players in this industry have already learned the hard way that this is a difficult technology to master).

Given a finite set of engineering resources, we realized that it would simply cause an unacceptable delay if we were to simultaneously implement both Trinnov and HDMI Version 1.4a in a new AV processor at the same time and expect it be trouble free at launch.

With that in mind, it is clear to us that, at this time, flawless implementation of the new HDMI Version 1.4a features is more critical than Trinnov. Therefore, we have decided to modify our product plan by dropping Trinnov for now, with the revised processor named the Model 978. This will cause a slight delay in the introduction date from late this year to the first quarter of 2011, but it assures us a bug-free launch. Once we get past the launch of the Model 978 we will be free to return to work on the Trinnov-enabled Model 998.

To be clear, the Model 978 is not a new project, but simply a modified version of the same Model 998 we have been working on. As such, we can take advantage of the work already done to fill you in on some of the features and functions you will see in the Model 978.

From an operational standpoint, the Model 978 will be simple, straightforward and easy for everyone in the house to operate. The knowledgeable home theater enthusiast will have the power and flexibility they demand, while the more tech-averse members of the family will be able to use it without problems. After all, what fun is great sound and pictures if it's too hard to use?

This ease of use will even extend to direct USB software upgrade capability. No loaders will be needed; simply download the files to a USB stick, plug it into the front panel USB jack, press a few buttons on the remote, and you will be good to go.

The Model 978 will include five fast switching HDMI inputs along with two HDMI outputs, and it will be fully compliant with Version 1.4a offering 3D compatability and the Audio Return Channel.

Our video processing and scaling will be from Anchor Bay, using the chip sets found on many high-end Blu-ray players and AVRs.

On the audio side there will be both balanced and standard unbalanced outputs, (including dual subwoofer outputs). Of course, there will also be multiple analog and digital inputs for your legacy sources.

As part of this simple, straightforward, and great sounding philosophy, we've intentionally decided not to include every bell and whistle. For example, there will not be any network connectivity or similar services. That is best left to other companies who specialize in this sort of technology, and you'll have many options for that in your system as time moves forward. (In addition, the testing and compliance necessary for adding broadband or home-network connectivity would simply delay the product further.)

In the last year we have all noticed that networking capability has become redundant throughout home entertainment systems as it appears in a host of products. As more and more devices are network-equipped, it makes no sense for us to duplicate what you will undoubtedly have in your HDTV, Blu-ray player, video game console, HTPC, AppleTV, Roku, SqueezeBox, Popcorn, BoxeeBox or similar product to deliver networked entertainment and other subscription and streaming services. This way, those who desire such services will be able to select the product that best suits their needs without our cost-penalizing those who are not interested in them.

Our job will be to provide the needed HDMI, digital audio and analog audio inputs for you to connect to and to deliver the great sound and video these network services provide.

There is one more VERY CRITICAL aspect of the Model 978 I want to tell you about. The Outlaws have always been committed to audio quality, and that is where this processor will really shine. While the Model 978 will not include Trinnov, it will offer an Audyssey suite of EQ/Room Correction and Volume Leveling technologies.

The ADC, DSP and similar key components have also been carefully selected for audio quality with careful attention to both two-channel and multi-channel audio performance.

Most important, the Model 978 carries one addition to what was planned for the Model 998: true state of the art DACs. We've already auditioned them using a reference board, and the sound is just incredible. Regardless of the audio/video source or surround mode, the Model 978 will deliver sound quality well beyond anything we've ever been able to offer until now.

We will provide more details as we get closer, but a few additional points in anticipation of your questions:

* This will be an Outlaw Exclusive product. It is designed by us, and is being developed in conjunction with experienced engineering teams. Further, it will be built in a factory we have selected after examining a number of potential manufacturers. This isn't an off the shelf product shared with others. If you want a product with these features, you'll have to buy it from us.
* We own the design and we will own the software code. That means it will ship with all features working as promised. In the unlikely event that there are any problems we'll be able to promptly correct them. If a patch is needed, you will have the USB-direct upgrade feature to modify the software without any loader hassles.The Model 978 will retain the same industrial design and appearance we've previously shown for our next generation platform.
* Based on the current schedule, we will have the first Alpha samples in November and a planned release date in the first quarter of 2011. As with any complex product, this date is subject to change due our requirement to put first round of off-tool samples through an extensive beta test that some of you will be part of. In addition, with some of the standards a moving target, we can't nail down the exact time that will be needed to obtain all the needed certifications from HDMI, Dolby, DTS, UL/CSA and for FCC compliance testing.


The above notwithstanding, we'll ship it as soon as it is fully ready, not before. We will do our beta testing before the product ships, not afterwards. We strongly believe that while home theater is a hobby to many, it has to be enjoyable for all and having to struggle to make a processor operate as it was intended should not be part of that equation.

The final question, of course, is what will it cost. We've already ordered some of the critical long-lead parts, but semiconductor pricing is still quite volatile. In addition, the cost of copper, aluminum and steel along with other parts and costs may cause some changes one way or the other. For now, let's simply say that it will be a great value at any price. Oh, and yes, despite the model number change, any Outlaw Owner Discounts promised for the Model 998 will, of course, be applicable here.

A closing note: Along with the Model 978 and Model 998 we are in the midst of the most aggressive new product development cycle in our history. We have four design teams with specific specialties working on five new products, and they will ALL be Outlaw exclusives. (Although one company has asked us to build a version for them.) One product is so unique that we can say with a certainty that not only will no other brand offer it; there is no product like it anywhere in the consumer or professional audio markets. Two of these new products are in beta test as you read this, and at least one of them should be available before Thanksgiving. (It is the product we promised to the winner of the Peter's Demo search a while back.)

Yes, there have been some bumps in the trail over the past year or so. However, let there be no doubt that the Outlaws are here to stay. We are committed to delivering high-value, high-performance audio and video products for many years to come.

Thank you.

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It's always a good sign when a company is willing to actually admit that it's plans were too ambitious and scale them back, rather than going ahead and charging customers for products the company knows do not and can never work right. A good lesson for others, I guess.

I'm still happy with my Onkyo 885 and not planning to upgrade any time soon, but I do recommend equipment to others and will be following the upcoming Outlaw processors closely. Thanks for the heads-up!
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It's always a good sign when a company is willing to actually admit that it's plans were too ambitious and scale them back, rather than going ahead and charging customers for products the company knows do not and can never work right. A good lesson for others, I guess.

I'm still happy with my Onkyo 885 and not planning to upgrade any time soon, but I do recommend equipment to others and will be following the upcoming Outlaw processors closely. Thanks for the heads-up!

I am very happy with my 885 which has turned out to be one of those amazing values that comes down the pike every now and then. But I have the upgrade bug and the newer Audyssey technologies are the main reason. This Outlaw unit is intriguing because of what Peter said about the DACs.

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This is really exciting news for sure.
After watching what Emotiva has gone through with the UMC-1 one can only hope that Outlaw will do this the right way by doing all of the beta testing well before the release.
I have a feeling that this will be well worth the wait.....

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I have a high amount of anxiety that this unit WILL have Audyssey MultEQ XT 32 and DSX. It already seems to have everything else on my checklist.

Jeff

As some are likely aware from my posts on the Outlaw forum, I share your hope/expectation that the 978 will include MultEQ XT32 and Sub EQ HT. This will be Outlaw's flagship processor until the 998 is introduced, which, despite the best of intentions and efforts, may never come to pass. Even if the 998 makes it to market, restrictions on "tweakability" which may well be inherent to optimal Trinnov performance may reduce the desirability of the 998 for many prospective buyers, despite Trinnov's attractions.

For these and other reasons, the 978 should have the best of what Audyssey has to offer from the get-go.
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The 978 looks to be a very interesting prepro. I would be excellent if the 978 has Audyssey MultXT32 but if not I would still be very interested. I am happy with my 886 and Parasound 2100 combo but would like to have an all in one prepro.

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Any approx msrp on this thing?

Everything we "know" is in the opening post.

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Historically, I believe Outlaw's processors have launched around the $1K mark or a little more. Even if they were to double that to $2K, it'd still be competitive with the equivalent models from other brands, now that Onkyo/Integra has brought their pricing up to be more in line with the rest of the pack. Hopefully, Outlaw will want to undercut the others and keep their price lower.
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As some are likely aware from my posts on the Outlaw forum, I share your hope/expectation that the 978 will include MultEQ XT32 and Sub EQ HT. This will be Outlaw's flagship processor until the 998 is introduced, which, despite the best of intentions and efforts, may never come to pass. Even if the 998 makes it to market, restrictions on "tweakability" which may well be inherent to optimal Trinnov performance may reduce the desirability of the 998 for many prospective buyers, despite Trinnov's attractions.

For these and other reasons, the 978 should have the best of what Audyssey has to offer from the get-go.

I must admit that I know very little about Trinnov other than hearing that the implementation in the Sherwood had some problems and that setup uses a multi-mic array that somehow tells it where the speakers are located.

To our hope for XT 32 ... Sub EQ HT comes along for the ride with that ... I would add that it be Audyssey Pro-ready.

The nosebleed esoteric manufacturers seem to be thumbing their noses at Audyssey, Denon is MIA with XT 32 in their $7.5k flagship and Onkyo has chucked "Pro-ready" in their ... PRO line. That leaves Integra and their very tightly controlled distribution business model. If Outlaw can successfully bring this to market and it has the DACs Peter mentioned and doodads we have wished for at the level of value typical in their products, it will not only be a category killer, it will likely suck the oxygen away from every unit I just mentioned.

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Historically, I believe Outlaw's processors have launched around the $1K mark or a little more. Even if they were to double that to $2K, it'd still be competitive with the equivalent models from other brands, now that Onkyo/Integra has brought their pricing up to be more in line with the rest of the pack. Hopefully, Outlaw will want to undercut the others and keep their price lower.

I don't see this being a $1k unit, nor does it need to be. My opinion is that all they need to do is be under the $2300 Integra DHC-80.2 in price and best it in sound quality. I am very interested in seeing a parts list to compare it with the $7.5k Denon.

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Yes, but it's in the 4311/A100, which at the moment is the new flagship. At least in terms of Audyssey.
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Yes, but it's in the 4311/A100, which at the moment is the new flagship. At least in terms of Audyssey.

4311CI is a receiver. We're talkin' preamp/processor here.

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I don't see this being a $1k unit, nor does it need to be. My opinion is that all they need to do is be under the $2300 Integra DHC-80.2

Oh, I agree. I expect the price will be a lot closer to the $2K mark than the $1K price-point that they've traditionally gone after. The only effective competition at the $1K point is the Integra 40.x models, and the 978 should be well above those units, performance and feature-wise. Charging that little would get them a lot of business but would also be leaving a lot of money on the table.

I can't really see them going much over $2K, though, as then they're giving up on the customers who would get the Integra 80.x or equivalents, instead. There's a lot more competition above $2K.

My expectation (based on nothing but guesses) would be $1800-$2000.
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4311CI is a receiver. We're talkin' preamp/processor here.

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Yes, but the 4311's "special Pre-Amp only mode that completely disables the internal power amplifiers" makes it a pretty decent choice as a pre-pro...
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My guess for the cost of the 978 would be at the most $1499.00 (possibly less). I think any higher and the cost is getting closer to the street price of the 5508/80.2.

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This sounds like a "me-too". Marantz AV-7005 anyone?
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I think when it was originally announced the higher model was to be 1399, with the absence of the trinnov it should be about that
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My guess for the cost of the 978 would be at the most $1499.00 (possibly less). I think any higher and the cost is getting closer to the street price of the 5508/80.2.

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I think when it was originally announced the higher model was to be 1399, with the absence of the trinnov it should be about that

Wow, really??? That seems almost too good to be true with all the goodies that have been mentioned. Of course, we don't know for sure yet if it will have Audyssey's latest "suite." And then there's my wish list item that it be Pro-ready.

Bill Mac, is there any expectation that the 978 will have better SQ than the 80.2? Have there been reports that from the 9.8 to 9.9 to 80.1 to 80.2 there were ANY improvements in SQ? If not, the 978 has a real possibility of besting those models.

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I'm not Bill Mac, but I have an expectation that the 978 will have better SQ than the 80.2. Of course, SQ is completely subjective.
It's Outlaws reputation that makes me say that.
Marantz, Denon, Integra, etc. develop one platform and then change the model number when they add another HDMI input or some other insignificant change. It is then marketed as a "new" processor. My guess would be that the 80.2 will sound like the 80.1.
You can count on one hand the number of Outlaw processors that have come out in the last 10 years. When they roll out a product, it is a new product (for them). This is an audio company. They understand what is required to build a good sounding audio product and that has been the focus. Sometimes it means sacrificing some bells and whistles so that the focus and money can be spent on the sound. Outlaw has stated as much. They tend to be very understated products that perform very well.
I'm thrilled at the announcement of the 978. I can also totally agree with Bill Mac's guesstimate at the price, too.

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"To be clear, the Model 978 is not a “new” project, but simply a modified version of the same Model 998 we have been working on."

I guess that means no DSX, or at best 5.x + Heights or Wides.

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But then there is this: "There is one more VERY CRITICAL aspect of the Model 978 I want to tell you about. The Outlaws have always been committed to audio quality, and that is where this processor will really shine. While the Model 978 will not include Trinnov, it will offer an Audyssey suite of EQ/Room Correction and Volume Leveling technologies."

True, it doesn't specifically mention DSX, nor is there anywhere that refers to it being 9.2 (or 11.2). I don't know how jammed the rear panel is, but they'd physically need space to add more connectors.

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"To be clear, the Model 978 is not a new project, but simply a modified version of the same Model 998 we have been working on."

I guess that means no DSX, or at best 5.x + Heights or Wides.

Here is an image linked in Peter's announcement. Note Dolby PLIIz on the display. I think that means that it was designed from the ground up with (at least) 9.2 connectivity.

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I was about to put an order in with local dealer for an 80.2 but think I may wait for this. I really don't need all the bells and whistles of the 80.2 but am mainly looking for the best sound I can get, XT32 and so on. Not looking for networking or 9.2/11.2.

I considered the 4311 but (as in the thread) I'm dissapointed in their choice of DAC and am going to pass on that. People keep mentioning they can't hear a difference in DAC's, one thing I know is when I sent in my Oppo BDP-83 to have the signature upgrade the difference is drastic in the DACs.

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It would be truly unfortunate if they have no Ethernet connection for IP control. I control my Integra DHC-9.9 via IP using the iRule app, and I would never go back to a pre/pro lacking this sort of control.

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From "Peter's Processor Update" above:

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As part of this “simple, straightforward, and great sounding” philosophy, we’ve intentionally decided not to include every “bell and whistle”. For example, there will not be any network connectivity or similar services.

I guess you'll be passing on the 978.

Edit: Rereading your post, it occurs to me that you may not be interested in the 978 for yourself but simply find the absence of IP control to be a deal-killer. If so, fair enough.
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