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Is the denon the only 11.x receiver available? And, if so, would it require any sort of external amps to drive all speakers? Or, is it 11.2 out of the box?
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The Denon 4311CI and A100 AVRs are both 9.2 so would indeed require an external amp to bump up to 11.2.

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I'm not quite sure how that works exactly. For 11.2, there are 11 speakers (plus 2 subs), this I understand.

If there are actually no 11.2 receivers available, and only 9.2 receivers available, then won't the external amp added basically push the same sound to 4 speakers, opposed to having a true surround feeling where different sounds get sent to different speakers?

Do those receivers actually enable you to set up 11.2 surround or does it only recognize 9.2? Even with an external amp?

I am just not understanding how a 9.2 can become an 11.2. Does the avr actually have 11 speaker inputs? Or only 9?
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I'm not quite sure how that works exactly. For 11.2, there are 11 speakers (plus 2 subs), this I understand.

If there are actually no 11.2 receivers available, and only 9.2 receivers available, then won't the external amp added basically push the same sound to 4 speakers, opposed to having a true surround feeling where different sounds get sent to different speakers?

Do those receivers actually enable you to set up 11.2 surround or does it only recognize 9.2? Even with an external amp?

I am just not understanding how a 9.2 can become an 11.2. Does the avr actually have 11 speaker inputs? Or only 9?
It has 8 channel (7.1) analog input.

There are no 9.1 or 11.1 sources, the additional channels are matrixed by the AVR. In other words the actual source audio is only ever going to be 5.1 or 7.1, the extra 2 or 4 channels to get to 9.1 or 11.1 are created by the AVR by pulling targeted information out of the other channels.

That AVR has 9 channels of amplification, but outputs 11 channels at line level so you can connect an external amplifier to get 11.1 sound.
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I do undrerstand the ave mixing the 9.1 from, say, a 5.1. So, to confirm, the denon has 11 channels out; however, to get actual sound from the extra two channels, then I will need an external amp, correct? If so, is the 9.2 onkyo the same deal? 500 bucks less is hard to pass up.
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Don't fall into the marketing hype/trap of loudspeaker quantity over quality..
A quality 5.1 or 7.1 system when setup and configured properly will exceed most expectations..

Stay with reliable brands and for the loudspeakers shop for these 1st comparing closely and auditioning if possible.

Just my $0.02...
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So, to confirm, the denon has 11 channels out; however, to get actual sound from the extra two channels, then I will need an external amp, correct? If so, is the 9.2 onkyo the same deal? 500 bucks less is hard to pass up.
Correct for the Denon.

Not sure about the Onkyo, but I think it can only output signals for 9.x ch at a time.

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Thanks for your input M Code, but I'd like to keep this thread dedicated to just 11.2 receivers, and not the discussion of what is better.

Another question about the .2 portion of the avr and installing buttkickers. I do understand an amp needs to be installed to power the buttkickers; however, how do I hook up the amp? Do I take one of the channels and put a Y adapter on it, one going to the sub, one going to the amp, and the amp to the buttkickers?
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It has 8 channel (7.1) analog input.

There are no 9.1 or 11.1 sources, the additional channels are matrixed by the AVR. In other words the actual source audio is only ever going to be 5.1 or 7.1, the extra 2 or 4 channels to get to 9.1 or 11.1 are created by the AVR by pulling targeted information out of the other channels.

That AVR has 9 channels of amplification, but outputs 11 channels at line level so you can connect an external amplifier to get 11.1 sound.
I see the Onkyo has multiple zone outputs also, with 9.2 surround. Can you run 2 zones at once to get the 11.2 surround? Or, will it not work correctly?

Edit: I see you can not.
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I think the Yamaha RX-Z11 can do 11.2 but it is quite expensive. I too am looking at a new AVR and I am flip-flopping between quality and quantity.
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ya, that one is too pricey for me at this time
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it is pricey regardless. Here is a question. Do you care about 3d? If not, last years must have's can be had for cheap. I am considering buying one of them and upgrading a couple years from now, when the tech figures out where it is going.
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I do plan purchasing another projector strickly for 3D (optoma hd 67), so I would like to have 3D capability. I have budgeted right at 1500-2k for the receiver, and I can get the denon 4311ci for right around 1500.

That being said, however, I believe the only way to do 3D with the optima is for a direct link to the projector from the vid card, and an audio cable goingt to the receiver. So, i think last year's model would work just fine!

What model is it that will do 11.2?
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I don't think there's a 11.2 receiver with 3D out of the box on the market right now.
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The Yamaha RX-A3000 can do 11.2, but you need external amps. It has front and rear presence speakers. The DSP has at least 12 channels (11 + 1.) I think the sub outputs are identical, but I am not 100% sure (if they weren't, it would have a 13 channel DSP.)

I believe you give up zone 3 output to do this (as there are not enough output jacks, so Yamaha overlays some.)

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We're "promised" 11.x 'flagship' AVRs that include DTS Neo: X post processing technology [in a revised 7/4.x configuration, similar to Audyssey DSX] starting in 2011 (most likely from Yamaha and/or Sony...?)

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I do undrerstand the ave mixing the 9.1 from, say, a 5.1. So, to confirm, the denon has 11 channels out; however, to get actual sound from the extra two channels, then I will need an external amp, correct? If so, is the 9.2 onkyo the same deal? 500 bucks less is hard to pass up.

I have an Onkyo 9.2 and it only does 9.2 there is no way to get both wides and heights out even with an external amp. as for not being worth it...dont' listen to that crap. having the front heights makes my movies that much more immersive! i love it
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"I don't think there's a 11.2 receiver with 3D out of the box on the market right now."

4311 supports HDMI 1.4a w/3D

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Nice reading comprehension, amigo.
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gotcha, missing 2 amp channels

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The Yamaha RX-A3000 can do 11.2, but you need external amps. It has front and rear presence speakers. The DSP has at least 12 channels (11 + 1.) I think the sub outputs are identical, but I am not 100% sure (if they weren't, it would have a 13 channel DSP.)

The A3000 dual sub outputs are true two channel -- they can be EQ'd separately and configured left/right or front/rear.

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I don't think there's a 11.2 receiver with 3D out of the box on the market right now.

And, when it does inevitably arrive, the 11 channels of internal class AB amplification will be cheaper, smaller, and lower powered. Pardon me if I yawn.

Honestly, 11 channels of amplification in an average sized AVR is a fool's errand...



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I have 11.2 speakers, so I would have liked to find a 11.2 receiver. I haven't run across any. I had an Onkyo TXNR-3008 9.2 AVR which will drive 11.2 speakers, but only 9.2 at a time -- 2 speakers will not sound. I'm replacing it with a Pioneer SC-1522 9.2 AVR which works similarly, but has the slight advantage of having 11.2 amplified speaker outputs and 11.2 pre-amp outputs, though 2 of the channels will be silent, so it really is just a 9.2 system. But at least you can change sound modes to get a different 9 channel selection of the 11 to play.

The .2 part of the spec, for the two receivers I mentioned, also needs to be understood to mean, essentially, .1. There aren't two different sub channels. I think the Onkyo 3008 does allow two different level and delay settings for its two sub outputs, but the manual for the Pioneer SC-1522 says the signals from its two sub outputs will always be the same. So the two sub outputs just give you a built-in Y-connector, I guess.

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As is the case with the Denon 4311CI/A100 previously mentioned, its successor, the Denon 4520CI and the Marantz 8801 will drive 11 speakers at once with external ampllication.

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FYI: you really don't need a 9.2 or a 11.2 receiver you can achieve 9.2, 11.2 and beyond with a 7.1 receiver here is my old thread on the subject;

http://www.avsforum.com/t/982996/11-1-1-4-surround-sound-experimenting-in-enhancing-expanding-5-1-7-1-formats

I still have this setup however with with a 64 inch big screen and home speakers instead of the computer speakers and monitor I initially tested with. It is currently in a 17.2 + 4 configuration which is a standard 7.2 surround with front & rear side axis speakers, 6 overhead speakers, and 2 front and rear presence speakers.
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FYI: you really don't need a 9.2 or a 11.2 receiver you can achieve 9.2, 11.2 and beyond with a 7.1 receiver here is my old thread on the subject;

http://www.avsforum.com/t/982996/11-1-1-4-surround-sound-experimenting-in-enhancing-expanding-5-1-7-1-formats

I still have this setup however with with a 64 inch big screen and home speakers instead of the computer speakers and monitor I initially tested with. It is currently in a 17.2 + 4 configuration which is a standard 7.2 surround with front & rear side axis speakers, 6 overhead speakers, and 2 front and rear presence speakers.

eek.gifeek.gifeek.gif

I'm not worthy to post in same thread as you!

Well, maybe my 130" screen vs your 64 " screen can be used to offset your more speakers rolleyes.gif

My 11.x journey is documented here
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1435778/moving-past-7-1-5-1-into-9-1-11-2-upgrading-your-ht-room-via-audyssey-dsx-or-dolby-pl-iiz
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I'm not worthy to post in same thread as you!

Well, maybe my 130" screen vs your 64 " screen can be used to offset your more speakers rolleyes.gif

My 11.x journey is documented here
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1435778/moving-past-7-1-5-1-into-9-1-11-2-upgrading-your-ht-room-via-audyssey-dsx-or-dolby-pl-iiz

That is awesome, yours is really professional home theater, mine is still more of an on going experiment, but if you are anything like me once you have gone past 7.1 there is no going back. biggrin.gif
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