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post #31 of 45 Old 10-26-2012, 11:43 AM
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Ha, I've been looking for an answer to this question for a while too. Except, in my preference I'd like to play PS3 games and listen to audio from an AUX source. It's difficult in my situation because I don't want to lose the HD audio from my PS3, so hooking up the PS3 via analog/component is not an option for me. frown.gif
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I have found a decent solution, with my Denon AVR-4311CI. But this can be applied to to any modern HDMI AVR.

You'd have to use a STB or Blu-ray player with both HDMI and analog (S-video in my case) outputs. For my audio-only source (Squeezebox), I simply assign the Blu-ray's S-video output to it, so I can listen to music while playing video off the player. You could do the same thing with a STB if you just want to watch TV.

The downside is the video is going to be of lower quality than HDMI. So it's not a good solution for the PS3 fellow above. But decent enough if you just need casual viewing.
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I realize this is an old post, but I have struggled with this problem for over 2 years with my Denon AVR-2112.  I finally figured out how to do this today!  Thought I would share my options and results. 


There are actually 2 ways to get it done.  Both involve using the V-Aux inputs.

 

Option 1 - Shows Analog Video and Analog Audio on your screen/speakers

Plug the video out from your cable box to the v-aux video

On CD - Set Video Source to "V-Aux"

 

I believe this is a commonly known solution using the Video Source over the CD input... 

 

But this is a bummer because I wanted the HDMI signal from my DVR on the screen and listen to CD/Computer sound but Video Source didn't allow for digital video sources on my Denon.

 

Option 2 - Setup V-Aux as follows:

In source setup, Choose HDMI 3 (or whatever your Sat/Cbl DVR is plugged into on your receiver) 

Make sure to choose Analog / RCA audio as well

Plug the CD/Audio Source RCA cables into V-Aux audio plugs (Not a huge loss for me since CD seems pretty useless)

When on the V-AUX, go to Source Setup Audio Settings and tell the receiver it to play analog source and not digital sound

 

This worked!  It plays digital video from HDMI 3 while playing audio from the RCA plugs.  I can now play my DVR HD quality video on my screen while listening to music/computer/cd.  Something I have been trying to do for years. I have seen on many discussion threads on this but never a clear solution that I was able to follow.

 

This was NOT INTUITIVE for a novice like myself!  What should have happened was on the Source Setup for V-Aux, I should be able to choose HDMI for video and CD for sound, but they fail to provide audio as one of the options.  

 

Note: I believe it only works to play ANALOG audio with DIGITAL video (Option 2 above)

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Analog Video with your CD (Option 1 above) 

 

I haven't tried to play Digital audio over a different Digital Video but this might be possible too.  I don't have digital coming from my Computer at the moment so I can't test.

 

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Sorry to bump an old thread but I've just been searching for a fix for this today too & was getting nowhere until an earlier poster said just plug your digibox straight into the TV via HDMI.

I remembered that I had an old HDMI splitter, so I pluggd that directly into my sky box. I then put one HDMI into my receiver where my sky box was plugged in previously & another HDMI into a source on my TV.

This lets me view my Sky through my receiver with the sound from the sky box, or I can hit HDMI 2 and get Sky with no sound.

This lets me select a different input on my receiver (my Apple TV) and I can play music from it whilst having Sky on via HDMI 2!

If I want to watch Sky with the sound from Sky, I just change my TV to the output my receiver is plugged into and then change the input on my receiver to Sky.

I'm going to get another splitter & HDMI cable & do the same with my PS4 & plug that into HDMI 3 on my TV
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Ha, I've been looking for an answer to this question for a while too. Except, in my preference I'd like to play PS3 games and listen to audio from an AUX source. It's difficult in my situation because I don't want to lose the HD audio from my PS3, so hooking up the PS3 via analog/component is not an option for me.
The fact that this is an old thread is irrelevant as this is a continuing problem for many. I hooked up $20 analog Danibos APT-X/NFC Bluetooth receivers (from Amazon) to my Denon 791 and Onkyo 608 and 505 to listen to Google play music from my phone. Amazing value and sound quality from these by the way! The Onkyos both let me play my Playstations over HDMI while listening to music while my Denon 791 doesn't. This is annoying as I also won't give up my Playstations HDMI connections for obvious reasons.

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This has come up recently with several of my customers using Denon receivers. I don't understand what is so difficult about leaving the last video selected when you switch to an audio only source. Sony receivers can do it, see instruction from the Sony manual of the ZA1000.


Mixing separate audio/video inputs (Last video mode)

The receiver can continuously output the input video image used most recently when an
audio-only input source is selected.
1 Connect the desired background music source to an input by analog, optical,
or coaxial cable. Or use the built-in tuner.
2 Set the input to the following in the Input Setup menu.
HDMI: [None]
Component: [None]
Composite: [---]
Audio: The input connected to the source.
When using the built-in tuner, set the screen mode to [Simple] using the options menu in
[FM/AM Display].
Example
Press SAT/CATV followed by TUNER to listen to sound from the built-in tuner while watching a
video source connected to SAT/CATV.
The audio output changes to that of the tuner source while SAT/CATV video output is
retained.
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When combining (mixing) audio with hdmi video in todays receivers the receiver sees
the video input as background video. So select a non-digital audio input like analog rca,
usb, radio, network/airplay or internet radio as the active input. Then press the option
button (Denon & Yamaha anyway) and select the active video from there. Video select/out etc.
Making the video source the active input doesn't work. Receiver must be on audio source.
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The fact that this is an old thread is irrelevant as this is a continuing problem for many. I hooked up $20 analog Danibos APT-X/NFC Bluetooth receivers (from Amazon) to my Denon 791 and Onkyo 608 and 505 to listen to Google play music from my phone. Amazing value and sound quality from these by the way! The Onkyos both let me play my Playstations over HDMI while listening to music while my Denon 791 doesn't. This is annoying as I also won't give up my Playstations HDMI connections for obvious reasons.
Actually, your Denon can as well. Simply assign the HDMI input and analog input to the same source names (eg. BD) and with the HDMI source selected, change the INPUT MODE to "Analog" and Voila! .... listening to your Bluetooth audio.

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Actually, your Denon can as well. Simply assign the HDMI input and analog input to the same source names (eg. BD) and with the HDMI source selected, change the INPUT MODE to "Analog" and Voila! .... listening to your Bluetooth audio.
Apslink...I tried your method again using your instructions just to be sure and can confirm it does not work on my 791. Jdsmoothie, your method works thanks. The problems I have with this is the 791 remote does not allow me to change input mode as far as I can tell...only drilling into the menu does which is inconvenient, slow and not going to be able to be switched back by my family if I forget to and leave the house. I will use it when the kids are playing Minecraft as I refuse to listen to it and can force them to listen to my tunes or podcasts.

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Apslink...I tried your method again using your instructions just to be sure and can confirm it does not work on my 791. Jdsmoothie, your method works thanks. The problems I have with this is the 791 remote does not allow me to change input mode as far as I can tell...only drilling into the menu does which is inconvenient, slow and not going to be able to be switched back by my family if I forget to and leave the house. I will use it when the kids are playing Minecraft as I refuse to listen to it and can force them to listen to my tunes or podcasts.
Correct, although the INPUT MODE button is on the 790 (ie. 2009 and earlier models) so AFAIK, one option would be to get a Harmony remote and download the 791 remote codes and add the 790 code for INPUT MODE. You also say you won't give up your PS4 HDMI connections for "obvious reasons." It's unlikely that most owners would be able to distinguish any noticeable difference between HD audio over HDMI vs. the higher bitrate DD/DTS audio over optical/coax digital. Can you?

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The Denon 791 appears to be a 2010 model. They didn't offer the option button or
video select until a few years later. Another non-perfect workaround for that model
is connect some speakers to receiver zone2 output, but placed in main zone.

Play the music on zone2 output while main zone audio is muted. They can't both be hdmi
connections. Looks like Denon added the option button in 2012 for still picture display only
and finally added true option/video select mixing in 2013 models. Easy solution.
Buy a newer receiver. Even the $250 S500 model has option/video select on usb/fm/am/Bluetooth.
As you move up the line more audio inputs have the video select option. I like to shuffle usb or airplay.

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The Denon 791 appears to be a 2010 model. They didn't offer the option button or
video select until a few years later. Another non-perfect workaround for that model
is connect some speakers to receiver zone2 output, but placed in main zone.

Play the music on zone2 output while main zone audio is muted. They can't both be hdmi
connections. Looks like Denon added the option button in 2012 for still picture display only
and finally added true option/video select mixing in 2013 models. Easy solution.
Buy a newer receiver.
Just so nice hitting an input button on my Onkyo's for this. Interesting idea about using Zone 2 but more speakers have an even lower WAF here than a new receiver lol!

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Just so nice hitting an input button on my Onkyo's for this. Interesting idea about using Zone 2 but more speakers have an even lower WAF here than a new receiver lol!
I just checked. Every current Denon (everybody?) model except the very lowest has the option/video select (out) button now.
When hdmi first came out they got spooked about digital rights and took this mixing away for a few years.
You (and many more) bought during those years. Now it is back and digital audio outputs are gone on most receivers instead.

Zone2 audio is only raw full range 2.0 with no eq and no crossover. Better than nothing.
At least your receiver will output music this way and the main zone will never know.
You may be able to connect both left/right speaker outputs to a speaker switch and select
the active input to the front main speakers. Never tried it though. Subwoofer wouldn't be active
but better than minecraft audio.
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I just checked. Every current Denon (everybody?) model except the very lowest has the option/video select (out) button now.
When hdmi first came out they got spooked about digital rights and took this mixing away for a few years.
You (and many more) bought during those years. Now it is back and digital audio outputs are gone on most receivers instead.

Zone2 audio is only raw full range 2.0 with no eq and no crossover. Better than nothing.
At least your receiver will output music this way and the main zone will never know.
You may be able to connect both left/right speaker outputs to a speaker switch and select
the active input to the front main speakers. Never tried it though. Subwoofer wouldn't be active
but better than minecraft audio.
The Video Select feature has been around for at least the past 15 years formerly only allowing component video sources (as is the case with the 791). As you mention, this has now transitioned to allow HDMI video connections.

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fyi..mcm electronics has an hdmi box that allows addition of seperate audio..item #33-11680 on sale for $40..

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