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So with the advent of Dolby Atmos is Neo X pretty much a dead format now? I mean you can still have a stellar listening experience with it...but as far as future movies that will be released...will any support the format? We only got a handful of movies with Neo X encoding am I right...

As a discrete 11.1 format (7.1 plus wides/heights) it looks that way, however as up-mixing 7.1 to 11.1 NeoX still is very worthy.

Very few discrete Atmos blurays out there and even projected for 2015.

It could even be debatable that as up mixing NeoX may be "better" than DSU (Dolby Surround Upmixing), since putting sounds into ceiling speakers may be more difficult to get "right" than wides/front heights.

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I asked DTS if there were any plans on releasing any future blu-rays with neo:x. They said no.
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I asked DTS if there were any plans on releasing any future blu-rays with neo:x. They said no.

Yep the market has shifted to object sound, now ask them about DTS-UHD and CES 2015, just 3 weeks away...
Speaker layout strategy, install guidelines, etc.
And what sorta Upmixing algorithm they will use on non DTS-UHD sources.


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So with the advent of Dolby Atmos is Neo X pretty much a dead format now? I mean you can still have a stellar listening experience with it...but as far as future movies that will be released...will any support the format? We only got a handful of movies with Neo X encoding am I right...
There is no need for Neo:X going forward except as a competing upconverting, post processing feature like Dolby Surround.

Dolby Atmos, Auro3D, and DTS MDA, all with discrete audio information rather than matrixing, are the new games in town.

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Is there a list of which movies were actually encoded with DTS Neo X?
I know the Expendables 2 was, any others?

Also the newer versions of The Expendables 2 on Blu Ray no longer say DTS NEO:X on the slipcovers??? Is it the same track as the older versions?
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Mine did not say it on the slipcover, but it did contain the same track and the testing tool that comes with it.

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Is there a list of which movies were actually encoded with DTS Neo X?
I know the Expendables 2 was, any others?
Dredd and Step Up: Revolution.

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The list:

http://www.dts.com/consumers/enterta...recentReleases

And this german release has Neo:X:

http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00I...w_bottom_linksm


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As a discrete 11.1 format (7.1 plus wides/heights) it looks that way, however as up-mixing 7.1 to 11.1 NeoX still is very worthy.

Very few discrete Atmos blurays out there and even projected for 2015.

It could even be debatable that as up mixing NeoX may be "better" than DSU (Dolby Surround Upmixing), since putting sounds into ceiling speakers may be more difficult to get "right" than wides/front heights.

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I would agree that it is still worthy. I use it all the time and knowing there is a limited release of ATMOS and DTS:X is coming I am in no rush to get a new receiver just for the Dolby DSU option. Neo:X does a pretty fine job. Maybe not as good but I don't really know because I can't do any A/B comparing. All I do know is I have Neo:X and it ain't bad.

I have moved my front high speakers to the ATMOS top front position and do like what I hear using Neo:X processing with the speakers in this new position. I played the DTS:X demo disc and processed the audio using Neo:X. The expected overhead sounds, like circling birds, were overhead in my room.

I do expect that by winter 2015 I very well may have a new processor depending on what DTS and various manufacturers release by then. So my room has had speakers moved and hung getting ready for Atmos. I am looking forward to what DTS has to say in March about overhead speaker locations. Meanwhile I am enjoying my room very much.

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Does anyone know why the German release of I Frankensien was the only ones released in NEO:X and headphone:x? Also DTS told me they weren't releasing any neo:x blu-rays anymore. I bought it and it sounds awesome.
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I am using DTS Neo X for my 7.1 setup with front wides on my Marantz SR6009. I feel the sound stage is awesome and I would continue to use this mode more than Audyssey DSX.

I am right now using a satellite speaker on front wide compared to FS at Fronts & BS at Surround. I am just tempted to try a BS instead of satellite and see if it brings any enhanced experience (may be will try with my sony mini hi-fi music system BS)
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I can't figure out what FS & BS is short for?
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Apologize. Fs - floor standers, bs- bookshelves
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So your 7.1 consists of side surrounds and no back surrounds? I don't like Audyssey DSX at all. I'm running 9.2 H. Unfortunatley I can't run wides because of room setup.
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Yes. My room is not perfect either. But still experimenting with various placement.
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Will your reciever allow for 9.1? It should with an external amp. If so you should try adding back surrounds.
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DTS Neo.X

Depends on the room layout. I'm set up on the long wall of a 27x15' room. For years I ran 6.1 then 7.1 with rear surrounds even though my couch is against the back wall. When I bought an x4000, I decided to move the rear surrounds to wides and eventually added heights when I bought an amp for my 4ohm mains. With being against the back wall, I've not felt that I've lost anything by removing the rear surrounds, they're just not needed in my room. I still get great effects and panning behind me. If I had a good bit of room behind the MLP, it'd probably be a different story. I get much more use out of the wides. The heights don't seem to do a whole lot. I love NeoX and use it for everything but music.


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Does anyone know why the German release of I Frankensien was the only ones released in NEO:X and headphone:x? Also DTS told me they weren't releasing any neo:x blu-rays anymore. I bought it and it sounds awesome.
Neo:X encoding of movies is passe since DTS has moved to object surround mixing with their new X format, the competition to Dolby Atmos.

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Neo:X encoding of movies is passe since DTS has moved to object surround mixing with their new X format, the competition to Dolby Atmos.
I understand that. It just annoys me that DTS told me that there would be no more neo:x releases and then this German release surfaces.
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Will your reciever allow for 9.1? It should with an external amp. If so you should try adding back surrounds.
Unfortunately I don't think it allows. Mine is Marantz SR6009, so will have to be satisfied with 7.1 (though i have the option of adding another sub woofer)
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Whoa, Whoa, F$%&*'n, whoa

Just installed some ceiling speakers and programmed to Dolby Surround (atmos) and Oh yeah. I'm surprised. Traveling Wilburries jamming right here right now. Finally getting what I hoped and paid for. Monoprice 8" speakers was the answer D#$%&. Always debated what sounded best until now. Dolby Surround (atoms) might be the default from now on. DTS NeoX always sounded kind of weird for music but couldn't say it until now... Will update soon for movies...

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Just installed some ceiling speakers and programmed to Dolby Surround (atmos) and Oh yeah. I'm surprised. Traveling Wilburries jamming right here right now. Finally getting what I hoped and paid for. Monoprice 8" speakers was the answer D#$%&. Always debated what sounded best until now. Dolby Surround (atoms) might be the default from now on. DTS NeoX always sounded kind of weird for music but couldn't say it until now... Will update soon for movies...
Just wait 'til you play real Dolby Atmos content! It's not my cup of tea, but some are fairly impressed with John Wick (sorry, you have to buy it to get the Atmos track - the rental copies are Dolby Digital lossy only). Gravity is coming at the end of the month, and should become the current showcase for Atmos mixing quality.

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Def Lepperd Hysteria BD now. Wow, wow, wow. A tremendous improvement over what I got from DTS NEOX for me. Dolby Surround is my default now. Amazing. Ceiling speakers now seem so duh obvious.

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I wonder if future DTS:X coded disk will include a discrete DTS Neo X sound track on it, I remember DTS saying if you do not own DTS:X hardware the codec would default to the next best option which would be DTS NEO X.

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It never ceases to amaze me how DTS's technologies somehow manage to gain magical properties. A few years ago, folks were convinced that DTS-HD MA sounded better than the uncompressed PCM it was sourced from. And now matrix processing that will boost BD sales. They make the marketing department at Bose look like rank amatuers by comparison.
Upmixing actually significantly alters the final signal going to each speaker, it isn't marketing.

Read the reviews of DSU's upmixing of 5.1 or 7.1 to Atmos, it's nearly universally positive, superlative even.

But of course you're right to mock the idea that anyone could even tell the difference between a lossless audio encoding of some PCM files with the originals. People can't even tell reliably a downsampled version anyway, beyond 16 / 48 is scientifically proven to have no net perceptible audio quality benefit, period.
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I wonder if DTS:X will default to DTS NEO X with all object Height material being sent to the Height channel if an end user's system is configured that way. I strictly listen to DTS NEO X and I run height channels, right now DTS NEO X is taking certain info out of the front speakers and feeding it to the height channels in Matrix, with DTS:X it has discrete audio being sent to the height/ ceiling channels, you would think that with the discrete info being sent to the ceiling speakers in DTS:X that it would auto sense when a user " only" has DTS NEO X and it can send that same discrete info to height speakers for all current DTS NEO X users.

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Wow, replying to one of my posts from over 4 years ago. Didn't realize my posts were that memorable.
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Upmixing actually significantly alters the final signal going to each speaker, it isn't marketing.
Who claimed upmixing was marketing? I was replying to another poster's claim:

"Also it is likely that some studios will start providing content encloded in Neo.X as to date Blu-Ray sales have been lagging behind expectations. And this could jump start their demand."

Hence my expressing disbelief back then at the notion that DTS had new "matrix processing that will boost BD sales". Well, their Neo:X matrix processing was new 4 years ago. As for helping to "jump start" demand for BDs, history has validated my skepticism (only 3 BDs were ever encoded with Neo:X).
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Read than read the reviews of DSU's upmixing of 5.1 or 7.1 to Atmos, it's nearly universally positive, superlative even.
Rather than read reviews of other peoples' preferences, I listened to lots of material with DSU and made up my own mind. I still don't know what DSU has to do with my post from over 4 years ago that you were quoting: DTS Neo.X
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But of course you're right to mock the idea that anyone could even tell the difference between a lossless audio encoding of some PCM files with the originals.
It's been 4 years since I made those comments and, since then, most folks seem to have gotten over the idea that DTS' lossless codec sounded better than the original PCM it was sourced from. Still, being the only audio codec with a fan base, DTS continues to be imbued with magical properties. A good example is their recent DTS:X format. Fortunately it's magic is wearing off as more information about it comes out and folks start to realize that it's just another object-based audio codec.

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I wonder if DTS:X will default to DTS NEO X with all object Height material being sent to the Height channel if an end user's system is configured that way. I strictly listen to DTS NEO X and I run height channels, right now DTS NEO X is taking certain info out of the front speakers and feeding it to the height channels in Matrix, with DTS:X it has discrete audio being sent to the height/ ceiling channels, you would think that with the discrete info being sent to the ceiling speakers in DTS:X that it would auto sense when a user " only" has DTS NEO X and it can send that same discrete info to height speakers for all current DTS NEO X users.
I think you're reading too much into the capabilities of these formats in some of your suppositions. However, if you don't have a DTS:X renderer then more than likely there will be a DTS Neo:X flag in the DTS Master Audio stream, so a legacy receiver with Neo:X could automatically upmix the 7.1 base track (ignoring the DTS:X object/metadata extension file). There would be no magic sauce matrix encoding within the DTS:X track... it would still be a plain ol' vanilla 7.1 channel track to the Neo:X engine, no better or worse than any other 7.1 track.

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