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Hi,

I'm looking to purchase a new Onkyo AV receiver.

I can either get the TX-NR609 or the TX-NR708.

But each have features that I will loose out on if I go for the other, they are as follows:

1) The TX-NR708 is rated around 10W/channel (at 8 ohms) higher than the TX-NR609
2) The TX-NR708 has a much worse video up-converter than the TX-NR609. The TX-NR708 has the Faroudja DCDi cinema chipset, while the TX-NR609 has a Marvell Qdeo chip.
3) The TX-NR708 is available now. I have to wait 4 weeks for the TX-NR609
4) Price-wise, they will be equal where I live

I play all my video from my PC using avi files, mkv files and blue-ray. All these things are played out of my HDMI cable from my PC, so I think the software on my PC is doing the up-scaling anyway on the lower quality videos.
But, on the other hand, if I decide to hook up my SD def TV to my receiver one day, surely the TX-NR609 will give me far better video clarity.

So between all these points, its a real toss-up. Does anyone have advice which to go for, is the up-scaler really going to impact a lot, will the extra 10W impact the sound?

Thanks a ton!
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You will not notice the power difference one little bit. What you will notice is the difference in the versions of Audyssey. The 708 being Multi-Eq and the ability to Eq your room much better. The video processing between the two is a toss-up as none of the AVR's in this price will do much if anything to help your display. The 708, IMO is the better deal by far.
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You will not notice the power difference one little bit. What you will notice is the difference in the versions of Audyssey. The 708 being Multi-Eq and the ability to Eq your room much better. The video processing between the two is a toss-up as none of the AVR's in this price will do much if anything to help your display. The 708, IMO is the better deal by far.

As far as I am aware, the 609 also includes the full Audyssey DSX™ and Dolby® Pro Logic® IIz.

I think it is only the 608 that suffers from the limited Audyssey.

In that case, would you suggest waiting for the 609?
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The 708 has pre-outs if you ever wanted/needed to add an external amplifier. The 708 also has better room correction with MultiEQ compared to the 2EQ in the 609, which doesn't EQ a subwoofer. Some people think this is a HUGE deal.

If you really don't have any SD sources I wouldn't worry too much about the video processing. The power rating difference means pretty much nothing. The current 608 on a test bench put out:

From Home Theater Magazine

Five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 82.3 watts
1% distortion at 84.7 watts

Seven channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 30.9 watts
1% distortion at 40.1 watts

Personally I would go with the 708 because it is the higher end AVR, and I value pre-outs and the better Audyssey room correction as more important factors.

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As far as I am aware, the 609 also includes the full Audyssey DSX and Dolby® Pro Logic® IIz.

I think it is only the 608 that suffers from the limited Audyssey.

In that case, would you suggest waiting for the 709?

If you go to Onkyo's website you will see that the 708 also has these features. The difference being Multi-Eq on the 708 as compared to only 2-Eq on the 609.
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If you go to Onkyo's website you will see that the 708 also has these features. The difference being Multi-Eq on the 708 as compared to only 2-Eq on the 609.

Yes, I do agree that the 708 has the Full Audyssey.

All I am saying is that the 609 ALSO includes the same Audyssey as the 708.

It was only in the 608 that they limited the Audyssey ability to the 2-EQ.

This means the 609 and 708 are on PAR with their Audyssey capabilities.
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The 708 also has better room correction with MultiEQ compared to the 2EQ in the 609, which doesn't EQ a subwoofer. Some people think this is a HUGE deal.

As far as I am aware, both the 609 and 708 have the same Audyssey processing.

It is only the 608 that was limited to the 2EQ
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As far as I am aware, both the 609 and 708 have the same Audyssey processing.

It is only the 608 that was limited to the 2EQ

The 609 according to Onkyo's website has Audyssey 2EQ. It was one thing that actually shocked me about it as I thought they would put MultiEQ in it.

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As far as I am aware, both the 609 and 708 have the same Audyssey processing.

It is only the 608 that was limited to the 2EQ


The processing may be the same, but the way Audyssey set up the speakers to work with that processing will be vastly different. You will get a much better result using MultiEQ in regards to speaker calibration, room correction and you will be able to EQ the sub. Some people aren't bothered by it, but I think it makes a difference.
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Also if you wait for the 709 you would get a better AVR in that price range with the Denon 3311 right now. If you have an Ipod/Ipad/Iphone the airplay add-on may be worth the price of admission. As for the 2eq in the 609 as compared to Multi-Eq in the 708 that is a no brainer. Along with the capabilities of having pre-outs for adding an amp it is a big step up in value between the 609 and the 708. The 609 will sell for close to MSRP when it hits the streets. The 708 prices will fall when that 709 comes out. The Denon 3311 is still a better AVR IMO over either of these and can be had for good prices at this time.
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In 4 months the TX NR708's price may drop significantly to make room for Onkyo's new roll out. The 708 will be the better choice since it will do everything that toe 609 will do for less, not to mention that the current 708 owners have though numerous request and complaints forced Onkyo to publish a firmware update that addressed most if not all of the TX NR708's initial shortcoming. It's always nice to have the latest of most anything, but based on this query, the TX NR708 wins.
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In 4 months the TX NR708's price may drop significantly to make room for Onkyo's new roll out. The 708 will be the better choice since it will do everything that toe 609 will do for less, not to mention that the current 708 owners have though numerous request and complaints forced Onkyo to publish a firmware update that addressed most if not all of the TX NR708's initial shortcoming. It's always nice to have the latest of most anything, but based on this query, the TX NR708 wins.
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Does this also include the 1008? I just got mine last night, but have not really messed with it too much except for hooking up to make sure everything works. I have not heard of too many problems from 1008 owners, but I am guessing it has the NET/USB problems the rest have.
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Does this also include the 1008? I just got mine last night, but have not really messed with it too much except for hooking up to make sure everything works. I have not heard of too many problems from 1008 owners, but I am guessing it has the NET/USB problems the rest have.

More than likely that price will drop. They have a tendency to drop whenever the new ones hit the street.
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The 609 according to Onkyo's website has Audyssey 2EQ. It was one thing that actually shocked me about it as I thought they would put MultiEQ in it.

Thanks for pointing this out - This is definitely something I did not know, and seeing as most of my inputs are HD anyway, the better Audyssey will win.

I have just ordered the 708 and will go pick it up tomorrow.

Thanks guys for the help! And thanks for convincing me to get the model that's available immediately - I can't wait to set this baby up. I haven't upgraded for 11 years. Still using a Pioneer VSX-D509S from 2000)
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More than likely that price will drop. They have a tendency to drop whenever the new ones hit the street.

Sorry, I should have been more clear. I was talking about the firmware update.
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Sorry, I should have been more clear. I was talking about the firmware update.

Sorry about that. But as you probably already know there is still just the firmware update from 06/10 on the site. I would contact Onkyo support and ask them about that update. Good luck with that though it seems that most of the CSR's from Onkyo need maps on how to find their way home after work hours. Not the most helpful with these types of questions. I've had some good experiences with them,but my questions were not that difficult for some of them.
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I would go for the 708 for the reasons already mentioned in posts above.
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Thanks for pointing this out - This is definitely something I did not know, and seeing as most of my inputs are HD anyway, the better Audyssey will win.

I have just ordered the 708 and will go pick it up tomorrow.

Thanks guys for the help! And thanks for convincing me to get the model that's available immediately - I can't wait to set this baby up. I haven't upgraded for 11 years. Still using a Pioneer VSX-D509S from 2000)

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Sorry about that. But as you probably already know there is still just the firmware update from 06/10 on the site. I would contact Onkyo support and ask them about that update. Good luck with that though it seems that most of the CSR's from Onkyo need maps on how to find their way home after work hours. Not the most helpful with these types of questions. I've had some good experiences with them,but my questions were not that difficult for some of them.

LMAO. I heard that about the Onkyo reps. Luckily I am not too worried about the internet functions as of yet, I just want to get all 9 speakers hooked and run Audyssey.
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Also if you wait for the 709 you would get a better AVR in that price range with the Denon 3311 right now. If you have an Ipod/Ipad/Iphone the airplay add-on may be worth the price of admission. As for the 2eq in the 609 as compared to Multi-Eq in the 708 that is a no brainer. Along with the capabilities of having pre-outs for adding an amp it is a big step up in value between the 609 and the 708. The 609 will sell for close to MSRP when it hits the streets. The 708 prices will fall when that 709 comes out. The Denon 3311 is still a better AVR IMO over either of these and can be had for good prices at this time.

Not to be too picky... but the 3311 is still twice the current prices of the 708... even with the elec-expo deal it's still around $250 more.
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You should be blown away once you get everything setup. The AVRs today have so many features compared to back when you last bought. It may take a while to get everything dialed in correctly, but that is part of the fun!!!

You aren't lying about that. I upgraded three years ago to a Sony STR-DG820, and after hooking up my 1008 last night all of the features and functions seemed overwhelming to me. Looks like the next few weeks will spent trying to figure all stuff I can do with this. I can't wait to watch my first BD with all 9 speakers going.
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Sorry, I should have been more clear. I was talking about the firmware update.

Yep, Just give the help desk a call to see if the update is needed. I recently purchased an HT RC180. It worked perfectly out the box. I haven't encountered any of the previous issues the 807/180 receivers owners reported so far. Ah, the joy of a new toy to tweak. That's why we work.
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Yep, Just give the help desk a call to see if the update is needed. I recently purchased an HT RC180. It worked perfectly out the box. I haven't encountered any of the previous issues the 807/180 receivers owners reported so far. Ah, the joy of a new toy to tweak. That's why we work.
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Mine is a refurb, so I guess they could have updated the firmware when it was getting inspected.
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Am I reading into this right,That Onkyo receivers are not good qty compared to other receivers?
I have a Denon 2809 that is great but was thinking of selling it in favor of the Onkyo NR609. IS that a bad move?

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Does anyone know if the 609 will let you have more then just one "Game" input so that it says witch system , Meaning the display will read PS3 and Xbox?
Assignable I guess is what Im trying to ask. I notice a input for one "game" only.
On my current Denon ,I renamed the AUX input XBOX.
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Am I reading into this right,That Onkyo receivers are not good qty compared to other receivers?
I have a Denon 2809 that is great but was thinking of selling it in favor of the Onkyo NR609. IS that a bad move?

It would be IMO. I would keep the 2809 over the 609. I feel the 2809 is a much better AVR. If you were to move up in models from Onkyo such as the 707/708 then it becomes much closer. You are going from an AVR with Audyssey Multi EQ XT to one that won't even Eq your sub. Much less the 609 has less power and possibly not built near as well. JMHO.
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I have to correct myself, I have the 2309Ci not the 2809. Still think I should keep the Denon?

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In 4 months the TX NR708's price may drop significantly to make room for Onkyo's new roll out. The 708 will be the better choice since it will do everything that toe 609 will do for less, not to mention that the current 708 owners have though numerous request and complaints forced Onkyo to publish a firmware update that addressed most if not all of the TX NR708's initial shortcoming. It's always nice to have the latest of most anything, but based on this query, the TX NR708 wins.
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Between the 609 and 708 video chips,who wins?

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Between the 609 and 708 video chips,who wins?

609. But again I will state as I have many times in the past. There are very few video processors in AVR's in this price range that will help you a lot. If you are using HD and thats what you watch mostly it will do nothing to improve picture quality. SD is crap in and will always be crap out. The 708 is still a better AVR between these two, due to it ability to EQ your sub,the ability to add an amp if you should want to in the future, multi-channel analog inputs. And besides that it will be less expensive more than likely.
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