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I don't think this is right - the BDV-E770W can decode and pass through Dobly Digital and DTS so what is the problem? Everything is set to Auto on the player's settings menu...

I don't follow why the BD player should be an issue.
Hi JRock3x8, suggest to re-check your BD player audio setting menu ... BD Audio MiX Setting should be Off.
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Hi JRock3x8, suggest to re-check your BD player audio setting menu ... BD Audio MiX Setting should be Off.
Ok that was on. Thanks.
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Ok that was on. Thanks.
When you get a chance, please confirm whether or not real DTS-HD from a BluRay is fixed and working now on your Onkyo.

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When you get a chance, please confirm whether or not real DTS-HD from a BluRay is fixed and working now on your Onkyo.
I'm not sure how I would see that. I have my BR player input set to DTS Neo : 6
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1. I'm not sure how I would see that.

2. I have my BR player input set to DTS Neo : 6
1. I just meant "is your DTS working better now". It should say it on the Onkyo.

2. That is fine. Just remember that other than that one BD-AudioMix setting in the BD-Player/HTiB itself, you change all Listening Modes at the Onkyo. Also, only the Onkyo's display is accurate.

You can use Neo:6 if you want, but that is just a fake-surround mode ... usually for 2/3-channel stereo/pro-logic (to matrix them-out to more speakers).

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but that is just a fake-surround mode ...
so what should my listening mode be set to?

I thought the reason you used those modes (ie NEO 6) is because they have the audyssey EQ whereas a straight pass through would not?
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so what should my listening mode be set to?

I thought the reason you used those modes (ie NEO 6) is because they have the audyssey EQ whereas a straight pass through would not?
I don't mind chatting with you about this, but I get the feeling you are not reading and/or understanding the Onkyo manual (hard-copy or PDF). It's hard to convey all required info in a forum thread.

My understanding of Onkyo Listening Modes is ...
-When the Onkyo sees a certain sound format (from whatever source material) it does this certain thing with the sound before it is outputted to the speakers. There is a nice chart in the manual.

Especially for Blu-Ray discs (in a real BD-Player) I like to set them similar to this:
When the Onkyo sees this - It does this
Dolby Digital - Exact Dolby Digital to 5.1 speakers
DTS - - Exact DTS to 5.1 speakers
Dolby True-HD - Exact Dolby-HD to 7.1 speakers
DTS-HD - Exact DTS-HD to 7.1 speakers
2ch Stereo - NEO:6 to 5.1 speakers
3ch ProLogic - PLIIx-Movie to 5.1 speakers

... like that. Most of those use the sound directly from the DVD/BD, while the bottom ones digitally re-process the sound.

Actually, that's pretty much how I have all mine set for all Input devices.

I think the only Listening Mode that disables Audyssey is Direct. If you have properly run Audyssey Calibration (and like the more balanced and speaker equalized sound) ... you really don't want to be disabling Audyssey.

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I should also add that while these Listening Modes can be changed on-the-fly with the remote's buttons, I would rather they default properly automatically. This way, I don't have to mess with them or, if someone else is using the system (ie. Wife) they are set optimally automatically by default.

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I'm not sure how I would see that. I have my BR player input set to DTS Neo : 6
Use the Display Info button to reveal the incoming Audio as the AVR sees it.

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so what should my listening mode be set to?
Go into Listening mode and set:
Dolby D/Dolby D Plus/TrueHD to "Straight Decode"

DTS/DTS-ES/DTS-HD to "Straight Decode"

Other Multich Source to "Straight Decode"
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Use the Display Info button to reveal the incoming Audio as the AVR sees it.



Go into Listening mode and set:
Dolby D/Dolby D Plus/TrueHD to "Straight Decode"

DTS/DTS-ES/DTS-HD to "Straight Decode"

Other Multich Source to "Straight Decode"
I think its direct instead of straight decode but yup totally worked.

Dolby True HD for Ghost in the Shell - I was bit peeved to have to watch that in 16:9 but thats a different topic


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Unfortunately does not have 4K passthrough. The HMDI is only 1.4a so it will not support the HDMI 2.0a version needed to pass HDCP 2.2 that 4K UHD Blu-Ray players use.
I am in near the same boat as you on this one.
so what is the next step up receiver that handles that?

trying to figure out my total bill to switch to 4k...
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so what is the next step up receiver that handles that?

trying to figure out my total bill to switch to 4k...
The modern equivalent Onkyo receiver for the NR609 is the TX-NR676. It handles 4K pass-through, upscale, and all modern HDR Formats (HR10, HLG, Dolby Vision), and can still pass 3D if you use it. As for the audio side it has comparable AKM DACs vs the Burr-Brown in the 609 and comparable EQ to the Audyssey EQ in the 609. But on the plus side it does have Dolby Atmos in 5.2.2 config

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The modern equivalent Onkyo receiver for the NR609 is the TX-NR676. It handles 4K pass-through, upscale, and all modern HDR Formats (HR10, HLG, Dolby Vision), and can still pass 3D if you use it. As for the audio side it has comparable Onkyo made DACs vs the Burr-Brown in the 609 and comparable EQ to the Audyssey EQ in the 609. But on the plus side it does have Dolby Atmos in 5.2.2 config
$500-ish... *lip curls in disgust*



I got my 609 for 125 on craigslist - maybe someday right?
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I got my 609 for 125 on craigslist - maybe someday right?
That's why I just went the route of using the dual HDMI out on the 4k BD Player. One HDMI out to the TV for video and the other to the 609 for audio. It works but can sometimes cause odd CEC handshake issues during initial startup.
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That's why I just went the route of using the dual HDMI out on the 4k BD Player. One HDMI out to the TV for video and the other to the 609 for audio. It works but can sometimes cause odd CEC handshake issues during initial startup.
those players tend to cost more, yes?
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those players tend to cost more, yes?
Well the cheapest 4K (UHD) BD player costs ~$200 USD new. All current 4K BD players have 2 HDMI out for my above noted purpose except the Xbox One S.

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Hello, I'm new to this. I am having a hard time finding a link for the receiver to use for a internet radio. I go to shoutcast click on the download which gives me a choice of files to download .m3e,rss,pls which is a file but manual says link and it shows a link in the support video. Anybody have experience with this? Am I supposed to cut and paste the file in to the receiver web interface? Thanks for helping me

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Hello, I'm new to this. I am having a hard time finding a link for the receiver to use for a internet radio. I go to shoutcast click on the download which gives me a choice of files to download .m3e,rss,pls which is a file but manual says link and it shows a link in the support video. Anybody have experience with this? Am I supposed to cut and paste the file in to the receiver web interface? Thanks for helping me

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When playing the PLS file from a media player on your PC you can generally go into the settings or another menu to get the HTTP address. Copy the HTTP address for the media stream into the receiver under the custom playlist section and name it as you want. The receiver should now be able to play the stream.
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Well the cheapest 4K (UHD) BD player costs ~$200 USD new. All current 4K BD players have 2 HDMI out for my above noted purpose except the Xbox One S.
looks like they go on sale for less than that...$150

https://slickdeals.net/f/10399104-sa...v2_ni_14538196

ok well that cuts out the cost of the AVR for the upgrade then right? Except that once I upgrade to XBox One X, I'm right back in this predicament...sigh...
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looks like they go on sale for less than that...$150

https://slickdeals.net/f/10399104-sa...v2_ni_14538196

ok well that cuts out the cost of the AVR for the upgrade then right? Except that once I upgrade to XBox One X, I'm right back in this predicament...sigh...
That is a Refurb model, the price new is still ~$200. With a tech as new as 4K UHD BD I would suggest against buying refurb.

*side note: I really hate that they label it as 4K UHD since the naming is redundant. They need to choose one or the other. UHD is the more popular name when it comes to discs.
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That is a Refurb model, the price new is still ~$200. With a tech as new as 4K UHD BD I would suggest against buying refurb.

*side note: I really hate that they label it as 4K UHD since the naming is redundant. They need to choose one or the other. UHD is the more popular name when it comes to discs.
it might be a refurb now - it wasn't when that deal was posted.

also, I don't have a 4k PJ so buying a UHD player now is sort of pointless
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When playing the PLS file from a media player on your PC you can generally go into the settings or another menu to get the HTTP address. Copy the HTTP address for the media stream into the receiver under the custom playlist section and name it as you want. The receiver should now be able to play the stream.
I thought about that and tried VLC, maybe I didn't look hard enough. Did find one that ended in /stream but was looking for .m3e I'll try that and see what happens. Why do they make it so hard. Thanks again i hope it works

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Why do they make it so hard.
because writing software, especially software that has to figure out networks, is not what they are good at.
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because writing software, especially software that has to figure out networks, is not what they are good at.
I meant the internet radio sites.

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That's why I just went the route of using the dual HDMI out on the 4k BD Player. One HDMI out to the TV for video and the other to the 609 for audio. It works but can sometimes cause odd CEC handshake issues during initial startup.
I'm trying to get this down if u could help me a bit, all my stuff is older. I will be getting a nr646 so if I don't get a TV, hdmi cables to match hdcp 2.2 I will no longer be able to have picture on my set? Because its not back compat? Why on Earth would they do that to people?

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I'm trying to get this down if u could help me a bit, all my stuff is older. I will be getting a nr646 so if I don't get a TV, hdmi cables to match hdcp 2.2 I will no longer be able to have picture on my set? Because its not back compat? Why on Earth would they do that to people?

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Also if the receiver has hdr will it transfer to the tv even if it doesn't
Here is the quick RunDown.

To be able to play 4K UHD BD Disks you need the following:
  1. 4K TV with HDCP 2.2,
  2. A 4K UHD BD-Player,
  3. An HDMI cable that is Premium rated and capable of 18Gbps speed (most of them are in this class but not all are "Premium Certified" which is just a guarantee it will work at this speed).
You are able to view 4K UHD BD Disks with having the cable connected directly to your TV. All 4K UHD BD-Players have a second HDMI out so that you can connect it to your receiver for HD Audio decoding and playback.
If you don't want to have two HDMI cables coming from a 4K UHD BD-Player then you will need to have a receiver that is HDCP 2.2 compatible and capable of 4K Pass-Through.

If you want to have 4K and HDR then the requirements are more specific but similar to the above list. There are 3 main types of HDR, HDR10, DolbyVison and HLG. HDR10 compatibility is standard feature for all HDR TV's
  1. 4K TV with HDR Compatibility, most pre-2017 models do not have this. Only the newest TV's are capable of Dolby Vision HDR and HLG HDR. Samsung and Sony TV's do not support these newer HDR formats.
  2. A 4K UHD BD-Player. Only the LG UP970 and OPPO 503 are capable of Dolby Vision and HLG HDR.
  3. An HDMI cable capable of 22Gbps. Most premium cables can do this and all "Premium Certified" can. (I suggest try existing HDMI cable first and if issues arise buy "Premium Certified" cable from Amazon or MonoPrice for less than 10 bux a cable.)
Again, a receiver is not needed but advised. If you want pass-through on the receiver for any HDR format it must be HDCP 2.2 compliant and must at least have HDMI 2.0a. For DolbyVision and HLG compatibility only a 2016 or newer receivers have this ability and only the manufacturer can tell you for sure if it they have an update that enables this.

Finally, Dolby Atmos has all the same requirements as HDR but there are some 2015 model receivers that are compatible with Dolby Atmos but not HDR.

There you go, the quick and dirty version of compatibility for modern formats.
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Here is the quick RunDown.

To be able to play 4K UHD BD Disks you need the following:
  1. 4K TV with HDCP 2.2,
  2. A 4K UHD BD-Player,
  3. An HDMI cable that is Premium rated and capable of 18Gbps speed (most of them are in this class but not all are "Premium Certified" which is just a guarantee it will work at this speed).
You are able to view 4K UHD BD Disks with having the cable connected directly to your TV. All 4K UHD BD-Players have a second HDMI out so that you can connect it to your receiver for HD Audio decoding and playback.
If you don't want to have two HDMI cables coming from a 4K UHD BD-Player then you will need to have a receiver that is HDCP 2.2 compatible and capable of 4K Pass-Through.

If you want to have 4K and HDR then the requirements are more specific but similar to the above list. There are 3 main types of HDR, HDR10, DolbyVison and HLG. HDR10 compatibility is standard feature for all HDR TV's
  1. 4K TV with HDR Compatibility, most pre-2017 models do not have this. Only the newest TV's are capable of Dolby Vision HDR and HLG HDR. Samsung and Sony TV's do not support these newer HDR formats.
  2. A 4K UHD BD-Player. Only the LG UP970 and OPPO 503 are capable of Dolby Vision and HLG HDR.
  3. An HDMI cable capable of 22Gbps. Most premium cables can do this and all "Premium Certified" can. (I suggest try existing HDMI cable first and if issues arise buy "Premium Certified" cable from Amazon or MonoPrice for less than 10 bux a cable.)
Again, a receiver is not needed but advised. If you want pass-through on the receiver for any HDR format it must be HDCP 2.2 compliant and must at least have HDMI 2.0a. For DolbyVision and HLG compatibility only a 2016 or newer receivers have this ability and only the manufacturer can tell you for sure if it they have an update that enables this.

Finally, Dolby Atmos has all the same requirements as HDR but there are some 2015 model receivers that are compatible with Dolby Atmos but not HDR.

There you go, the quick and dirty version of compatibility for modern formats.
Ok so this only applies to UHD, 1080p will still play fine with having different HDCP versions in my setup. got it! Thanks again

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Ok so this only applies to UHD, 1080p will still play fine with having different HDCP versions in the my setup. got it! Thanks again

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Correct, so long as you have all Premium HDMI cables and have at minimum HDCP 1.3 compliance and a minimum of HDMI 1.4. Any device with an HDMI port released since 2010 should meet these requirements.
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watched Independence Day Resurgence on straight decode. Might be just my imagination but straight decode felt a hell of a lot louder to me than the audyssey profiles (ie DTS Neo 6) - the bass in particular was ear popping loud. I had my receiver jacked up to +6 on bass for some music I had been listening to earlier that day - had to turn that down in a HURRY.
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