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A buddy of mine recently got a Onkyo TX-NR609, and while most everything is working fine, he is having a strange thing issue with the volume levels. He is unable to get much volume out of it unless it's cranked up past 50%, and has to bring it up to about 75% to 80+% for music and movie listening. Any ideas on why the volume levels have to be so high for listening? It seems like he is really having to push this receiver power to get normal volume. I have the SR-608 and don't have this issue. Could it be a setting that we missed or needs to be changed?

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This is normal as the Onkyo sets reference volume at 0db, although also depends on the size of the room and physical size of the speakers.

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The 609 will only pass connected "analog" sources to Zone 2 so if not already in analog 2CH format, you would need a converter to convert it and then connect the RCA cable to one of the AVR's analog inputs.

Thanks, if I under stand you correctly I can connect the iPhone or another source analog to the recieiver. I assume I can't use the built-in digital sources as USB, HDMI, netradio, Airplay or DLNA, when using zone 1 and 2 simultaniously.
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Correct. The Onkyo doesn't feature Airplay; however, on board sources TUNER and netradio will play to Zone 2. Additionally a note on p. 62 indicates that when NET or USB is selected, the source will play on both the main and Zone 2 sources at the same time (ie. no independent source in the main zone).

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A buddy of mine recently got a Onkyo TX-NR609, and while most everything is working fine, he is having a strange thing issue with the volume levels. He is unable to get much volume out of it unless it's cranked up past 50%, and has to bring it up to about 75% to 80+% for music and movie listening. Any ideas on why the volume levels have to be so high for listening? It seems like he is really having to push this receiver power to get normal volume. I have the SR-608 and don't have this issue. Could it be a setting that we missed or needs to be changed?

Thanks!

Has he done the audyssey calibration and has he adjusted the intellivolume setting ( pg. 52 owners manual) . I found I had to crank mine way up too untill I adjusted that setting for all my input sources.
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The "IntelliVolume" setting is designed to be used to match levels of one source(s) to another to even out the volume across all sources. If you use it for ALL sources, it's no different then simply raising the master volume.

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Thanks.

Anyone else have thoughts about the "2EQ compromise," given the otherwise excellent feature set and good sound of the 609? For $300, it's seems like a deal, and stacks up pretty well against the 2112CI.

I went from the 705 to the 609 and didn't really notice any downside to having the lesser version of Audyssey on the 609. The 609 sounds amazing.
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The "IntelliVolume" setting is designed to be used to match levels of one source(s) to another to even out the volume across all sources. If you use it for ALL sources, it's no different then simply raising the master volume.

I get what you are saying. I was just giving him an option with the "perception" that he is pushing his reciever beyond 50% and up to 75- 80% for movie listening.

One question for you. When I first got my reciever I had to do the audyssey calibration, right, main, left, to get accurate reading on the speaker distance. The manual states main, right , left in that order ( page 31 owners manual). Did the latest firmware update correct that so that we can use the correct procedure as stated in the manual??
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I just bought the 609 and set it up on Friday. I was using the UWF-1 Wireless LAN Adapter to stream music from SiriusXM, Pandora, and vTuner. Things seemed to be working fine. I downloaded the iPhone apps (Onkyo Remote and Remote2).

The documentation that came with the UWF-1 and a review of the Remote2 app said to do a firmware update, which I did. Before the firmware update, there was a Favorites selection in SiriusXM. The selection is no longer there. I can select save to favorites while listening, but nothing happens. In vTuner there is a Favorites selection, but no selections are found when I open Favorites. These functions were working fine before the firmware update. There doesn't seem to be any way to revert to the previous firmware.
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In vTuner there is a Favorites selection, but no selections are found when I open Favorites. These functions were working fine before the firmware update. There doesn't seem to be any way to revert to the previous firmware.

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Now that Onkyo have annonced new models, when do you expect the prices for the current line-up to drop?

I'm getting a Mythos 5.1 set next month and would love to snatch either a RX-V671 or TX-NR609 on sale.
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I get what you are saying. I was just giving him an option with the "perception" that he is pushing his reciever beyond 50% and up to 75- 80% for movie listening.

One question for you. When I first got my reciever I had to do the audyssey calibration, right, main, left, to get accurate reading on the speaker distance. The manual states main, right , left in that order ( page 31 owners manual). Did the latest firmware update correct that so that we can use the correct procedure as stated in the manual??

Ah, okay as long as we're only talking "perception", understood.

No clue on what the firmware changes, however, note that after taking the main mic position #1, it doesn't matter whether the 2nd and 3rd position are taken right/left or left/right. The same holds true for the more advanced version of XT where it doesn't matter what order positions 2-8 are taken, the whole point is simply to get more data points for Audyssey to use.

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Now that Onkyo have annonced new models, when do you expect the prices for the current line-up to drop?

I'm getting a Mythos 5.1 set next month and would love to snatch either a RX-V671 or TX-NR609 on sale.

With that quality speaker setup you would be much better served with the 709 which uses the more advanced version of Audyssey MultEQ XT.

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Can anyone give me a heads up on what the difference between PLIIx Movie, Direct, THX Cinema mode on the 609? I currently have my PS3 (original one) set to LPCM and I usually run PLIIx Movie mode. Last night I watched transformers: dark of the moon (7.1) in Direct mode and it sounded amazing, but when I watch the originally transformers PLIIx Movie mode sounds the best. Every now and then I put on THX Cinema which I find it hard to tell the difference from PLIIx. Do you guys just leave it in one mode? What about for cable TV?
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With that quality speaker setup you would be much better served with the 709 which uses the more advanced version of Audyssey MultEQ XT.

I was a bit inaccuarte just refering to Mythos 5.1, as I should have thought of the stunning Mythos 5.1 package. Unfortunatly my "Mythos 5.1" is more a self assembled Mythos package consisting of:

1 pair Mythos Six (front)
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1 pair DI 5.5S (rear)

Which I suppose the TX-NR609 or even the TX-NR509/579 would be suitable.
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Your call ... but for my money .. Mythos "anything" and I'd go XT (709) for not only the better Audyssey speaker EQ but also sub EQ. It really is a shame Onkyo refuses to upgrade to at least MultEQ in these lower level models so the sub gets EQ'd.

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Your call ... but for my money .. Mythos "anything" and I'd go XT (709) for not only the better Audyssey speaker EQ but also sub EQ. It really is a shame Onkyo refuses to upgrade to at least MultEQ in these lower level models so the sub gets EQ'd.

I'll see if I can get a deal on a even higher model. I'll have 30 days to try it anyway.
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Can anyone give me a heads up on what the difference between PLIIx Movie, Direct, THX Cinema mode on the 609? I currently have my PS3 (original one) set to LPCM and I usually run PLIIx Movie mode. Last night I watched transformers: dark of the moon (7.1) in Direct mode and it sounded amazing, but when I watch the originally transformers PLIIx Movie mode sounds the best. Every now and then I put on THX Cinema which I find it hard to tell the difference from PLIIx. Do you guys just leave it in one mode? What about for cable TV?

They are all just different ways of manipulating the sound. And, depending on what the sound source is (TrueHD, DTS-MA, 5.1, 7.1, etc) you will get different results. I tend to not use any additional filters (PLXII, THX Cinema) if the source is anything 5.1 or above. For non-surround sources, I use THX Cinema.
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They are all just different ways of manipulating the sound. And, depending on what the sound source is (TrueHD, DTS-MA, 5.1, 7.1, etc) you will get different results. I tend to not use any additional filters (PLXII, THX Cinema) if the source is anything 5.1 or above. For non-surround sources, I use THX Cinema.

So you just run your system in direct mode? If I have a 7.1 system and I am watching a 5.1 movie will the rear speakers be ignored if I just run it in direct mode?
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I went from the 705 to the 609 and didn't really notice any downside to having the lesser version of Audyssey on the 609. The 609 sounds amazing.

Are you running a Sub? You know that the 2EQ does not EQ the sub right?
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So you just run your system in direct mode? If I have a 7.1 system and I am watching a 5.1 movie will the rear speakers be ignored if I just run it in direct mode?

Generally DIRECT is never recommended as it disables Audyssey, while "STRAIGHT DECODE" will process the bitstream audio whether it be DD or DTS.

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So you just run your system in direct mode? If I have a 7.1 system and I am watching a 5.1 movie will the rear speakers be ignored if I just run it in direct mode?

I don't use direct mode. I use through mode, with "straight decode" selected in the listening preset menu. And I do believe the rear speakers in a 7.1 system are ignored unless you use a THX, PLII, etc option.
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Generally DIRECT is never recommended as it disables Audyssey, while "STRAIGHT DECODE" will process the bitstream audio whether it be DD or DTS.

JD I haven't seen Straight Decode, I will look for it.
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Are you running a Sub? You know that the 2EQ does not EQ the sub right?

Yes, I left the sub at the same level from when I had the 705 and it works fine.
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I don't use direct mode. I use through mode, and I do believe the rear speakers in a 7.1 system are ignored unless you use a THX, PLII, etc option.

Thanks 4mula.
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Can anyone give me a heads up on what the difference between PLIIx Movie, Direct, THX Cinema mode on the 609? I currently have my PS3 (original one) set to LPCM and I usually run PLIIx Movie mode. ... Every now and then I put on THX Cinema which I find it hard to tell the difference from PLIIx. Do you guys just leave it in one mode? What about for cable TV?

To add another opinion, I leave mine on PLIIx for all inputs, all the time. Considering HDMI, PLIIx will take whatever source you have and expand it up to whatever speakers you have. So if you have a 5.1 source, and a 7.1 system, it will duplicate the two side surrounds into the rears. Since 99% of what I watch/listen to is 5.1 or more over HDMI, I use this, but I also find it seems to work well on 2 channel sources too (ie, not just straight duplication to left/right, but actually trying to decipher what is background/foreground noise).

If you do 2 channel critical listening you probably wouldn't want PLIIx for everything, but for a primarily movie/video game room (like mine), I think it works great.

Read the manual/look up the different modes online - each one is a little different. I use PLIIx because supposedly it doesn't change any EQ or anything on the speakers that are in the source, it only creates new channels for the speakers not in the source (and like I said, my most common case of 5.1 to 7.1 it is a straight duplication of sides into rears).
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Hello everyone, I am in the market for a replacement AVR. My current one is the TX SR 701. I am looking to replace it with possibly the 609 or maybe the 709. I come here asking for advise on this upgrade. I just bought a new 1080P 3D TV and will also be picking up a BD player within the next few weeks. My current AVR does not support the newer audio formats like True HD and DTS MA. Im not sure what will happen if I get a BD player that decodes those formats and then send them to the current AVR through an optical cable. Im guessing I will not see any improvement in the audio playback. I am currently only running a 5.1 setup in the room which is mostly used for general TV viewing. We do watch movies about once a week and I want the best I can get out of the new TV.

Would those of you that have owned the 609 for some time now still recommend it to someone? I hear a lot of horror stories about the HDMI ports failing. My 701 is going on just about 10 years old now and I havent had a single issue with it which is why I am leaning toward the Onkyo brand.

I do not want to add amps at this time either.
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Although optical will not transfer the HD audio codecs, it will pass the higher bitrate DD/DTS tracks on BDs which is very comparable to the HD audio tracks (most would be unable to discern any difference between the two). Suggest you get the BD player first and see how that sounds with BDs, as you may want to stick with your current AVR if you have no other HDMI source device. The additional benefit of a newer model would be the use of Audyssey which will likely be a better benefit than the HD audio processing.

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Greetings everyone,

I have a 609 and I was wondering if anyone has connected their iphone to the receiver through an HDMI connection. They make an HDMI adapter for the iphone and I was considering purchasing it, however there were a few things I wanted to inquire before purchasing. Let me first inform you guys what I'm trying to accomplish.

I currently hook up my iphone 4 to the 609 through the front usb port. I works fine and I can control my music playlists through the receiver. I also like the fact that the album art is displayed on my HD TV.

I thought about purchasing the UP-A1 dock from Onkyo which hooks up to the universal port on the back of the receiver, however, I was turned off by the price and I also read that the album art does not display on the TV using this type of connection. (maybe someone can confirm this as well).

This leads me to the HDMI question. If I hook up my iphone through an HDMI port on the receiver, will the following apply:

1. Have full control of my iphone to navigate through my music just like
when it is hooked up through the usb port?

2. Will the album art display on my TV?

3. Will the sound be better than hooking up through the usb port?

4. Will I also have the benefit of watching video or pictures from my
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Thanks in advance for any information that is provided.
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Would those of you that have owned the 609 for some time now still recommend it to someone? I hear a lot of horror stories about the HDMI ports failing. My 701 is going on just about 10 years old now and I havent had a single issue with it which is why I am leaning toward the Onkyo brand.

I do not want to add amps at this time either.

I would definitely recommend the 609.
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This leads me to the HDMI question. If I hook up my iphone through an HDMI port on the receiver, will the following apply:

1. Have full control of my iphone to navigate through my music just like
when it is hooked up through the usb port?

2. Will the album art display on my TV?

3. Will the sound be better than hooking up through the usb port?

4. Will I also have the benefit of watching video or pictures from my
iphone?

Thanks in advance for any information that is provided.

IIRC, no one has posted connecting an iPhone via HDMI before so this is just supposition on my part ....

1. Yes.
2. Yes.
3. Wouldn't think so.
4. Yes, as it would be considered like any other HDMI source.

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