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For the price point, the 991 seems to be a huge player in the a/v receiver world. It has the richly featured 'standard' features most $600-$1K receivers have; however, it also has Audyssey MultEQ XT! XT is a $1k+ feature now that the 3008 or 4311 are the 'entry' level models carrying it.


EDIT: The 991 has regular XT. I thought regular XT was phased out in 2010 for XT32. I guess there are receivers that have both. For 2010 and most of 2011, Onkyo only had Audyssey 2EQ, MultEQ and XT32. They did not have regular Audyssey MultEQ XT. I see that Denon had both XT and XT32. Onkyo is following suit in late 2011 with the addition of XT on the 709 and better. At the time of this original post, the 991 and the XT was unbeatable.
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For the price point, the 991 seems to be a huge player in the a/v receiver world. It has the richly featured 'standard' features most $600-$1K receivers have; however, it also has Audyssey MultEQ XT! XT is a $1k+ feature now that the 3008 or 4311 are the 'entry' level models carrying it.

The 991 is mostly skipped over for the 3311. Most of the websites that are authorized retailers carry the 3311. It's basically the same receiver with a few extra features. Preamp outputs are the biggest in my opinion but see the 3311/991 owners thread for a full list of features. I also think the 3311 looks better because of the flip down panel on the front. There is nothing wrong with the 991 but most people get the 3311 for less than the 991 because it's more available. The price of the 991 on Amazon right now it a pretty nice deal at 695.29 and if you don't need an amp or zone 3 then there is nothing wrong with going that route.
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The 4311 has Audyssey XT32. A much better version than XT. And IMO the 4311 and 3008 are not in the same class as far as build quality and the problems that been expressed by owners of both the 3008 and 5008. I realize that the 4311 had its growing pains but firmware updates for that model have been released to cure them and it now seems to work as its supposed to.
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The 3311 is sold at a higher price point than the 991. I know that the 3311 is easier to find and buy; however, the 991 is still quite a deal at almost $200 cheaper!! For the power and features, it is really hard to beat. I created this thread because of the hunders of "Which receiver for the $$$", I rarely see the 991 recommended or asked. I understand it is because it is not as widely available; however, for us AVS folks it is a 2 minute internet search away.

I agree that the 4311 has a slight edge over the 3008; however, the 3008 offers a great value as the XT32 can be had at a slightly lower price.
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The 3311 is sold at a higher price point than the 991. I know that the 3311 is easier to find and buy; however, the 991 is still quite a deal at almost $200 cheaper!! For the power and features, it is really hard to beat. I created this thread because of the hunders of "Which receiver for the $$$", I rarely see the 991 recommended or asked. I understand it is because it is not as widely available; however, for us AVS folks it is a 2 minute internet search away.

I agree that the 4311 has a slight edge over the 3008; however, the 3008 offers a great value as the XT32 can be had at a slightly lower price.

Yes sir that is true if you don't get one with problems that has problems and want to put up with them(3008). To me the price difference between the 4311 and 3008 is not worth the chance.


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1314635

And I do agree with you on the value of the 991. So we agree on that model, its just a matter of if you want pre-outs or not.
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The 3311 is sold at a higher price point than the 991. I know that the 3311 is easier to find and buy; however, the 991 is still quite a deal at almost $200 cheaper!! For the power and features, it is really hard to beat. I created this thread because of the hunders of "Which receiver for the $$$", I rarely see the 991 recommended or asked. I understand it is because it is not as widely available; however, for us AVS folks it is a 2 minute internet search away.

I agree that the 4311 has a slight edge over the 3008; however, the 3008 offers a great value as the XT32 can be had at a slightly lower price.

I just saw the 991 on sale the other day on Amazon but before that it was hard to find it cheaper than the 3311. Most people are getting the 3311 well below the 999 list price of the 991. Now the 991 is on sale I would say that's a good deal but at 700 it's only about 100 cheaper than the 3311. Most people will want preamp outputs even if they don't have an amp now. Its good to have the option to add an amp later on. This is important these days since even people with 98DB Klipsch think they need an amp to get their speakers to "sing."
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The 3311 is currently only about $100 more than the 991 and IMHO is well worth it for the full set of preouts, better featured front panel, 3 year warranty, RS-232 jack, and 2nd HDMI monitor out jack.

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The 3311 is currently only about $100 more than the 991 and IMHO is well worth it for the full set of preouts, better featured front panel, 3 year warranty, RS-232 jack, and 2nd HDMI monitor out jack.
I'm looking at both these models lately. Can you tell me where you are seeing the 3311 so cheap? Amazon has the 991 for $685, the best I can find on the 3311 is almost $900.
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I'm looking at both these models lately. Can you tell me where you are seeing the 3311 so cheap? Amazon has the 991 for $685, the best I can find on the 3311 is almost $900.

3311 from Electronics Expo for a bit over $700 with coupon. Never look at sale prices as and think those are the lowest you'll get since most stores have coupons.
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I'm looking at both these models lately. Can you tell me where you are seeing the 3311 so cheap? Amazon has the 991 for $685, the best I can find on the 3311 is almost $900.

Several of the Denon authorized on-line resellers including Electronics Expo, 6Ave, J&R, and WWS generally always sell at 25-30% below MSRP; however, you have to CALL them and ask for their best AVS Forum price as they will all generally list MSRP on their websites. Also note that EE and 6Ave also sell from Amazon (generally at less than what Amazon sells for) as well so it's important to note who the actual seller is (check for the "ships and sold by XXXX") for if it's not Amazon or a Denon authorized reseller, then Denon won't honor their warranty as Amazon is then simply acting as a 3rd party.

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3311 from Electronics Expo for a bit over $700 with coupon. Never look at sale prices as and think those are the lowest you'll get since most stores have coupons.

That is a very good deal. How does one get this coupon?
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SPRINGTIME or DEALSOFAMERICA or couponmountain. LSDA0317 is several dollars more. There might be more.
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I'm looking at both these models lately. Can you tell me where you are seeing the 3311 so cheap? Amazon has the 991 for $685, the best I can find on the 3311 is almost $900.

I totally agree with this statement. The advice given to get the 3311 is a deal that can be applied various products.

The reality is that the 991 is readily found for $685 while it's comparable competitors are priced at $200 premium. The Onkyo 808 and Denon 3311 are the closest competitors are still on average $800-$900. Furthermore, they don't have MultEQ XT.

I throw this info out as a challenge. Any nay sayers to this current amazing Value the Denon 991 sports?!?
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Actually the 3311 is the sister model to the 991 which not only includes what the 991 offers (including MultEQ XT) but also has more features and IMHO is the better buy of the two.

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Thanks JD. I missed that because on the comparison page, the 3311 doesn't have MultEQ XT checked off. I didbsee the 3311 has XT from the main page.

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The Denon spec pages have been hosed up ever since release last summer, although not sure why Denon has never corrected them. Suffice it to say that the matching 4 digit model will generally have all the same features as the 3 digit model with a few more added features as well, and in the case of the CI models, also includes 1 more year of warranty (ie. 3311CI - 3 years, 991 - 2 years).

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The 3311 is currently only about $100 more than the 991 and IMHO is well worth it for the full set of preouts, better featured front panel, 3 year warranty, RS-232 jack, and 2nd HDMI monitor out jack.

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3311 from Electronics Expo for a bit over $700 with coupon. Never look at sale prices as and think those are the lowest you'll get since most stores have coupons.

From what I have seen, those prices are accurate for the 3310. The 3311 still sells for close to $900-$1000! EE has the 3310 for $799, but has the 3311 at $1198! If the 991 is 90% of the 3311, it seems like the wiser value with being almost 40% cheaper at around $650.

The 991 lacks the pre-outs (claims subx2), rs-232, and front connections with HDMI. I guess those are notable convenience features; however, you get the same performance for a much cheaper price. I agree that if the price difference was only $150, the 3311 would be worth it.
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I'm fairly certain I said (at least several times a week in fact in the various Denon threads) you have to pick up the phone and "CALL" these resellers as they list MSRP on their websites.

The price on the 3311 from some of the authorized Denon resellers (EE, 6Ave, J&R, WWS) has been in the 25-35% below MSRP range ever since it was first released last summer.

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You did. Sorry boss. I talked to a local service dealer, and they could do no more than 10%. I will have to call the big boys and inquire. Thanks.
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Apparently we will no longer be seeing discounts on the 3311 from Electronics Expo, or any other authorized dealer. I was going to order the 3311 using a 40% off coupon and discovered none worked anymore. I called and was told that Denon went to mandatory pricing like Bose did and coupons will no longer work on their items. So much for getting a 3311, I'm not paying $1200 for it.
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With the 3312 having an MSRP of only $999 there's no way the 3311 will be selling for more than that. Give all the Denon authorized resellers a call for their best price. EE isn't the only fish in the barrel.

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With the 3312 having an MSRP of only $999 there's no way the 3311 will be selling for more than that. Give all the Denon authorized resellers a call for their best price. EE isn't the only fish in the barrel.

EE said they could do $999, but not for long. Who are other authorized dealers?
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I don't know about other sites but JR would not just give a low price they told me ifI was purchasing they would work with me on the price. I don't know if everyone says the same thing or just them. Phantom52 I believe someone I wonder what they told him when he asked for pricing. When I called Audioholics a while back when I was considering Yamaha they gave me pricing no problem and they were below what is posted on their website. I thought that was pretty crappy for JR to say that.
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EE said they could do $999, but not for long. Who are other authorized dealers?

The authorized etailers are listed on Denon's website here.

This is new ... Denon is apparently placing a stranglehold on the authorized etailers and restricting their previous 25-35% discounts which have been available since they were released last year.

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The authorized etailers are listed on Denon's website here.

This is new ... Denon is apparently placing a stranglehold on the authorized etailers and restricting their previous 25-35% discounts which have been available since they were released last year.

That's what EE said too. It really sucks. I feel like the MSRPs are over-inflated. Denons are a great value at the sale prices, but at the MSRPs I am looking to other models. If I am going to spend the MSRP price of a 3311, I would rather look at other brands.
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Either that or just hold off a few months and get the 2112 (MSRP $599) which includes the same Audyssey MultEQ XT and networking as well.

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Either that or just hold off a few months and get the 2112 (MSRP $599) which includes the same Audyssey MultEQ XT and networking as well.

That is an idea. But I was really getting the 3311 for the pre-outs.
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Ah ... then yeh, stick with the 3311 as I'm not sure if preouts are going to be available on any of the newer models.

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Interesting move on the part of Denon. I went to a high end audio/video shop in Dallas yesterday (MODIA). Those guys said they can only sell at MSRP as well. They also said they just sold their last one yesterday until the shipment comes in. I thought to myself "A fool is born every second", because how else can a store front sell things at MSRP and have customers. I would hate if Denon mandated that to their other on-line mass sellers; however, other premium products do the same.

I agree with others that this would make me go with an alternative choice. I may actually take a gamble and buy a 3311 or 4311 from BB when the new 3312 and 4312s are announced, and hope that the price drops where I can get a price match. The 4311 at $550 last year was the receiver deal of the year!!
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