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Just noticed that Outlaw audio has their 7x125 watts amp for sale for $699 and the 7700 (7x200) for $1599. Anybody have any experience with Outlaw in comparison with Emotiva? Whats better quality? Any sound difference?

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Just noticed that Outlaw audio has their 7x125 watts amp for sale for $699 and the 7700 (7x200) for $1599. Anybody have any experience with Outlaw in comparison with Emotiva? Whats better quality? Any sound difference?

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I own 7 Outlaw M2200 monoblocks and the 7075 amp. I have owned the LPA-1 and the XPA-5.

If the amps have no problems and are used within their limits there just isnt a difference to discuss.


Better quality? Never had an issue with either.

I think the Outlaw products have a cooler logo/name and I love their looks

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I'm a current Emotiva owner. I own three of their amplifiers. I like them. I'm also considering Outlaw for future purchases. Performance wise I don't really have any major complaints about my Emotiva amps. I have had some LED issues. If they could get the quality control up on this problem their amplifiers would be even better. This of course does not hamper how the audio sounds. Lucky for that.
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I saw that deal on their 125x7 amp. Seems comparable to what Emotiva offered with their (now out of production) UPA-7.

I had started a thread on that sale, and I believe someone suggested the Outlaw had a bigger power transformer, which would offset the cost difference between the amps, IMO. In any case I don't know that you can get a new UPA-7 from Emo anymore, making the Outlaw amp the most affordable single box 125x7 watt solution on the market.

I can't comment on sound quality, or construction quality. I expect my Emotiva XPA-3 to last many years now that it's lasted 6 months.

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Outlaw amps were or still are built by ATI here in the U.S. The Outlaws have always had beefy components from the caps to the power supply. If the price is the same for both units go with big, good and reasonable not marginal, ok and cheap.....
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Now beggs the question, which one to go with. 7700 or 7125. I have Paradigm Studio Sereis (60s, 590) and am going to get in walls for rears (SA-30). Dont know hoe much power to go with.
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A closer look:



EMO upa-7
125watts X 7 @ .1% THD
850 VA power supply
90,000 cap supply
damping- unknown
4 outputs per channel

Outlaw 7125
125 watts X 7 @ .05% THD (Bench tests have shown this amp to deliver 140+ watts per channel without clipping)
1.6 KVA power supply
140,000 cap supply
damping- 400
6 outputs per channel
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Now beggs the question, which one to go with. 7700 or 7125. I have Paradigm Studio Sereis (60s, 590) and am going to get in walls for rears (SA-30). Dont know hoe much power to go with.

Thats your call. I see so many systems where people are feeding tons of power to low cycle small boutique speakers and its like trying to get blood from a turnip. Obviously if this is your case I would get all the power I could afford. Having said that, the 7125 is a powerful amp for its rating and you might pick up 1-2 db or so going to 200 watts per channel depending on actual output of each given amp.
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A closer look:

EMO upa-7
125watts X 7 @ .1% THD
850 VA power supply
90,000 cap supply
damping- unknown
4 outputs per channel

Outlaw 7125
125 watts X 7 @ .05% THD (Bench tests have shown this amp to deliver 140+ watts per channel without clipping)
1.6 KVA power supply
140,000 cap supply
damping- 400
6 outputs per channel

And the choice becomes obvious

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I have had both the upa-7 and the 7125 and found very little difference in their performance,but my speakers at the time were 92db sensitivity and easy to drive. The Outlaw in build quality is closer to the Xpa-5 so for that price is a great deal. I would love to see Outlaw become more compaetitive on their prices so that Emotiva would be forced to keep more product in stock so as to not lose market share. The 7125 at $699 would be a real threat to Emotiva.
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Thats your call. I see so many systems where people are feeding tons of power to low cycle small boutique speakers and its like trying to get blood from a turnip. Obviously if this is your case I would get all the power I could afford. Having said that, the 7125 is a powerful amp for its rating and you might pick up 1-2 db or so going to 200 watts per channel depending on actual output of each given amp.

Ok, I can't "really" afford to go with a tonne of power, but i can just wait to get it IF it is worth getting the extra power. I know my front speakers can handle the 200 watts/channel, i am just afraid that my rears wont be able to handle it and that they may blow or something. Paradigm says they can handle up to 160 watts.

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I have had both the upa-7 and the 7125 and found very little difference in their performance,but my speakers at the time were 92db sensitivity and easy to drive. The Outlaw in build quality is closer to the Xpa-5 so for that price is a great deal. I would love to see Outlaw become more compaetitive on their prices so that Emotiva would be forced to keep more product in stock so as to not lose market share. The 7125 at $699 would be a real threat to Emotiva.

So you preferred the Outlaw to the Emotiva? What are you using now and did you get rid of the outlaw or are you using it now?

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...i am just afraid that my rears wont be able to handle it and that they may blow or something. Paradigm says they can handle up to 160 watts.

I am not saying you need more power. But I wanted to clarify amp vs speaker power.

Conventional advice is that you actually want more power than your speaker rating. The idea being to avoid clipping.

I don't think even twice the amp power is overpowering your speakers. That is to say, if your speakers can handle 100 watts average, 200 watts of amp power should be totally fine.

Note that only on peaks are you likely pushing over 100 watts. Normal power during movies to your speakers is probably under 10 watts.

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I am not saying you need more power. But I wanted to clarify amp vs speaker power.

Conventional advice is that you actually want more power than your speaker rating. The idea being to avoid clipping.

I don't think even twice the amp power is overpowering your speakers. That is to say, if your speakers can handle 100 watts average, 200 watts of amp power should be totally fine.

Note that only on peaks are you likely pushing over 100 watts. Normal power during movies to your speakers is probably under 10 watts.

This is good advice. I do the same thing. It seems its becoming more common around here that people are scared of power or think that they will never need it. I want an amp that can at least deliver the peak wattage that my speakers are rated for plus more. Just in case dynamic peaks call for it.
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Ok, I can't "really" afford to go with a tonne of power, but i can just wait to get it IF it is worth getting the extra power. I know my front speakers can handle the 200 watts/channel, i am just afraid that my rears wont be able to handle it and that they may blow or something. Paradigm says they can handle up to 160 watts.



So you preferred the Outlaw to the Emotiva? What are you using now and did you get rid of the outlaw or are you using it now?

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With my speakers they both performed about the same but I paid $999 for the outlaw while the Emotiva was $599. On that basis the Emotiva was a clear winner due to its ablity to perform at the same level for much less money. Now the upa-7 price was later raised to $799 and then strangely disccontinued. I thinks its clear from the parts that are in the two that the outlaw is the better made amp BUT if you dont need the extra perfomance that these parts can give to drive you speakers to satisfying levels then the Emotiva was a great choice due to its bargin price. Now Emotiva has the Xpa-5 which I have owned and really liked for $899 ( when its in stock) whose specs are a little higher but whose build quality is more on par with the Outlaw 7125. If prices were equal I would chose the Outlaw but in the past when I have bought the Emotiva amps were just much cheaper for similar if not equal performance. Right now I am using a Emotiva MPS-1 and love it but its build level IMHO is a step above the X or U amps currently being offered by Emotiva.
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I own Emotiva umc-200 and XPA-5 for nearly a year now, and are quite pleased with their performance. On the other hand, I do have an issue with floor noise with the amp: the hum is quite significant and disturbing during silent passes. If you put your ear within a foot from each individual speaker in a three way system, all speakers produce residual noise within each their frequency range. I verified by disconnecting the pre-pro and shorting all inputs to the XPA-5 (which alone was "ON" during the test) and it did not change a thing. The issue is definitely in the XPA-5. The ground prong on the XPA-5 is not connected internally, so this eliminates ground looping. My speakers are DIY and have a 97db 1w/1m sensitivity. How does the Outlaw compare as for floor noise and build quality; (price at this point is not much of a concern)? I am thinking of the 7700 or 7200; I would not go for less power, for I have 4,500W for my four subs (2x15" in each sub). I enjoy readjusting the wall pictures after a movie. or a good heavy bassy song.

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