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post #1 of 46 Old 04-07-2011, 10:07 AM - Thread Starter
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Thought it most handy to create a thread for all x61 models (Spring 2011 models.) There were two threads started, and it always seems nice to create one with some basic info.

There are probably 3 power supply configurations. The lightweight budget 371, the 471/571 which have similar weights, and the 671. In other words, expect the 371 to have the least power, the 471/571 to have similar power and the 671 a step up in power.

Yamaha seems to have eliminated the need for a dock for iPod! This puts them more in line with their competitors. All models except 371 have iPod/iPhone compatibility via USB.

ALL models appear to have (with an optional dock,) Bluetooth compatibility.

ALL models have HDMI 1.4 with 3D and Audio Return Channel.

Only the RX-V771 has pre-outs.

Standard Inputs -
HDMI 1.4 (At least four)
AV1 - Optical/Component
AV2 - coax/Component
AV3 - Coax/Composite
AV4 - Optical/Composite
AV5 - Stereo Analog/Composite
(The 671 adds an AV6 input with Stereo analog/Composite)
Aux - Front panel AV input (371/471 models have a minijack input)
Audio 1 - Analog Stereo
Audio 2 - Analog Stereo

RX-V371 -
17-1/8'' x 6'' x 12-3/8"
Weight 16.5 lbs.
80x5 Watts (.9% THD, 1khz with two channels driven)
HDMI Inputs - HDMI 1.4 x 4
Front Panel Inputs - Analog AV, Minijack
Notable Features -
* First time in a budget model, full audio decoding!
* NO YPAO (Buy the RX-V471, it has a GUI and YPAO)

RX-V471
17-1/8'' x 6'' x 14-1/4"
Weight 18.1 lbs.
85x5 Watts (.9% THD, 1khz with two channels driven)
HDMI Inputs - HDMI 1.4 x 4
Front Panel Inputs - USB, Analog AV, Minijack
Notable Features -
* Virtual Presence
* GUI

RX-V571
17-1/8'' x 6'' x 14-1/4"
Weight 18.3 lbs.
85x7 Watts (.9% THD, 1khz with two channels driven)
HDMI Inputs - HDMI 1.4 x 6 (One on front)
Front Panel Inputs - HDMI, USB, Analog AV
Notable Features -
* Virtual Presence
* GUI
* Front Panel HDMI input
* Analog to HDMI Conversion
* Upscaling on analog/HDMI inputs


RX-V671
17-1/8'' x 6-3/8'' x 14-1/4"
Weight 23.1 lbs.
105x7 Watts (.9% THD, 1khz with two channels driven)
90x7 Watts (0.09% THD, 20hz-20khz with two channels driven)
HDMI Inputs - HDMI 1.4 x 6 (One on front)
Front Panel Inputs - HDMI, USB, Analog AV
Notable Features -
* Virtual Presence
* GUI
* Front Panel HDMI input
* Analog to HDMI Conversion
* Upscaling on Analog/HDMI inputs
* Upscaling on component in to component out (Based on the website, have no confirmed via the manual)
* Sirius ready
* Zone 2 Output (Stereo Analog, Audio only)
* Network Audio Capabilities (DLNA, Rhapsody, Pandora)

RX-V771
435 x 171 x 368 mm (17 1/8" x 6 6/8" x 14 4/8")
Weight 11.2 kg (24.7 pounds)
130x7 Watts (.9% THD, 1khz with one channel driven)
95x7 Watts (0.09% THD, 20hz-20khz with two channels driven)
HDMI Inputs - HDMI 1.4 x 6 (One on front)
HDMI Outputs - 2
Front Panel Inputs - HDMI, USB, Analog AV
Notable Features -
* Virtual Presence
* GUI
* Multi-point YPAO
* Front Panel HDMI input
* Analog to HDMI Conversion
* Upscaling on Analog/HDMI inputs
* Upscaling on component in to component out (Based on the website, have no confirmed via the manual)
* Sirius ready
* Two subwoofer outputs
* Zone 2 Output (Stereo Analog, Audio only)
* Network Audio Capabilities (DLNA, Rhapsody, Pandora, Napster - depends on country)
* Learning Remote Control

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One interesting thing is that Yamaha has apparently decided they are tired of being called liars.

I would call their specs full disclosure now. They show number of channels driven. So stop complaining

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Under features they list "Background video feature (for tuner and USB only)". So you can at least watch TV and listen to the radio or a USB source. That's an improvement, although not a general solution to mixing video and audio from any two sources.

Also, "HD Audio decoding with CINEMA DSP 3D (17 DSP programs)". But they used the same misleading wording for the 667, so it may still only apply to True-HD and not DTS-HD.

From the picture, the iPhone control App looks to be improved.

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Not that anyone cares, but here's my assesment...

I would NOT buy a 371. Save up for a 471 with the GUI and YPAO. It almost certainly has more power too.

As usual, the 500 model, the 571 is a interesting. If you don't need 7.1, and you don't need analog to video conversion consider the 471. Someone correct me if I am missing something here. If you don't need a lot of power, analog to HDMI conversion or 7.1 the 471 has everything a modern receiver should.

As usual I suggest getting the 671 for the step up in power. And you get network audio with Pandora as icing on the cake. If you don't care about network audio, scoop up an RX-V667 while they last which has pre outs, which the 671 lacks.

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I updated this. Wish I had more formatting options. If you see ANY mistakes, let me know via PM.

They really have trickled down features well.

The remote controls look awful, at least the one I looked at.

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Quoting the power spec. only for two-channels driven on a surround receiver seems an odd decision on Yamaha's part. I mean the old numbers were misleading, but the new ones just don't tell you anything (except for the two channel case).
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You must mean none of yamaha's lowend avrs do not have pre-outs. I would believe the mid-highend avrs would still have pre-outs. It does seem that yamaha was on a comeback, where the likes of denon are on a major cost cutting campaign, going by the rear views of denons xx12... A sign of the times. The old ones just may hold some of there value abit longer.

I meant none of the models in the first post. I can clarify that.

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Quoting the power spec. only for two-channels driven on a surround receiver seems an odd decision on Yamaha's part. I mean the old numbers were misleading, but the new ones just don't tell you anything (except for the two channel case).



Not sure any power measurements tell the whole story.

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I heard about the RX-V771 and 871 as well. Are they also coming out with a 1071, 2071, or even a 3071, like they did with the 3067?
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Yamaha amps at this level were never their strong point, now with the 667 giving up its only claim to fame pre-outs with the new 671. Big mistake Yamaha, big mistake.

Prior to the x65 and x67 series 'model years' there was no world wide 7xx model, only a 6xx; the 7xx models only appeared 'as needed' [e.g., in the UK market, the DSP-AX763 contained a mix of 663 and 863 features. ]

The 663 was apparently very successful, both as a stand-alone unit and and as a preamp, and it seems like Yamaha believes they can do even better 'near this price point' by offering both 6xx and 7xx models that 'bracket' the price point [market space]. Which 7xx features are deleted to make the corresponding 6xx model now appears to be a year-by-year decision . . . although if Yamaha does not get strong negative consumer feedback through the retail chain, the pre-outs might well disappear from the $599 MSRP model permanently.

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I'm sure the low end Yamaha AVR users with power amp are a limited group.

Maybe 'limited', but definitely 'dedicated'! I have three systems running Yamaha 6xx AVRs combined with external amplification: (1) one RX-V667 with two Yamaha AST-A10 stereo amps driving L|C|R speakers; (2) a second RX-V667 with two Yamaha AST-A10 stereo amps driving L|C|R and CS speakers; and (3) an HTR-5860 (aka RX-V657) with Klipsch Icon X Series XF-48 active floorstanders for L+R Mains.

However, it's likely I will continue to upgrade Yamaha AVRs at this price point in the future: deleting pre-outs from future 6xx models will have limited impact on me because Yamaha AST-A10 power amps and Klipsch XF-48 active speakers can both accept either line-level or speaker-level inputs [fortuitous rather than forethought! ] And I guess I'll look for that feature on any future power amps I consider purchasing!

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It does seem nice to have the option for speaker level inputs. I guess, ideally, you would use line level, to avoid distortion added by the power stage. But some people will claim that distortion is not audible.

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In some respects, the 671 seems a closer replacement to the 567 than the 667, lacking both line-in and line-out connects. The list of added features may or may not be of any value to the average buyer, but Yamaha clearly thinks they are.

The 671 is also 3/8" taller than the 667 and 665 so those who need the compact chassis should look elsewhere.

I'm another one who'd be using the AVR with an external amp, so the 671 is a non-starter.
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I am having issues with a Onkyo's HTIB receiver HDMI audio drops and trying alternatives now including Yamaha's YHT 895 BL which has 571 and looks great (i saw previous year model at frys) and 7 speaker+sub as a package. The other option I am exploring is getting Onkyo's itself TX NR 609 receiver to replace the seems faulty receiver.

In general how do Yamaha compare to other brands in low end. please advise.
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The 771 is shown here, it has 2 hdmi outputs.

http://europe.yamaha.com/en/products...product_lineup

7-channel 1,120W = 160W x 7 (4 ohms, 1 kHz, 0.9% THD, 1ch driven); 665W = 95W x 7 (8 ohms, 20 Hz-20 kHz, 0.09% THD, 2ch driven)
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I attempted to update for the RX-V771. If you see mistakes, message me. Highlights -
* Multi-point YPAO
* Pre-outs
* Two HDMI outputs
* Learning remote

Looks like no HD radio on the RX-V771. It really can sound better, so I am sad if that means HD radio is failing (but not shocked.)

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Hopefully Yamaha finds a way to be more in line with their competitors with regards to pricing,

I've owned 4 Yamaha receivers over 20 years, and they have been awesome, not one ever quit on me, still working today, but after seeing what other brands are offering for the price, I can get a comparable model of another brand for more than half it's price, it's hard to justify today that spending double or triple the price, I really really wanted a RX-A2000 or RX-A3000 but not at their price points...
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Hmmm....

I would be interested to see this half price concept. I have never compared some Yamaha model to a competitors comparable model based on MSRP, and never seen that. By all means, give an example, because maybe I am missing something.

Make sure you factor in all features which can make a difference in price.

Denon uses to be the expensive receiver. I would compare Denon to Yamaha for awhile, and be surprised at the differences between two comparable priced models. But that was a long time ago.

Onkyo was one of the better value receivers in past comparisons. But then you see all the Onkyo failures, including ones that "blew up."

Pioneer is often very well priced. But make sure you look at the fine print. In some cases, you are look at a receiver with a really light transformer...and that's where the power comes from - ignore manufacturer power ratings, iMO. They won't tell the real story.

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Looks like no HD radio on the RX-V771. It really can sound better, so I am sad if that means HD radio is failing (but not shocked.)

I thought HDRadio was a US model feature only...? So you'll probably need to wait to see the specs for some equivalent US model . . . which I believe might (only) be the [AVENTAGE] RX-A810...?!

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That makes sense, SC. Thanks

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Hmmm....

I would be interested to see this half price concept. I have never compared some Yamaha model to a competitors comparable model based on MSRP, and never seen that. By all means, give an example, because maybe I am missing something.

Make sure you factor in all features which can make a difference in price.

Denon uses to be the expensive receiver. I would compare Denon to Yamaha for awhile, and be surprised at the differences between two comparable priced models. But that was a long time ago.

Onkyo was one of the better value receivers in past comparisons. But then you see all the Onkyo failures, including ones that "blew up."

Pioneer is often very well priced. But make sure you look at the fine print. In some cases, you are look at a receiver with a really light transformer...and that's where the power comes from - ignore manufacturer power ratings, iMO. They won't tell the real story.

Well for my example, let's use the Pioneer VSX-1120-k vs the Adventage A2000 or 3000, the 1120-k could be had for around 550 bucks, where the A2000 is 1400, and the A3000 is 1799, so even though we compare apples to oranges, from what I see what do I get for over a grand or 1200 dollars if I went with the A2000 or 3000? I'm using pricing at Amazon for comparison.

My previous receivers were:
RX-v2095 ( currently still using today )
RX-V2090
RX-V1070
RX-V870

I really want to stay with yamaha, but I can't really justify that much of a difference, in about a month Pioneer is releasing their new top end unit, the VSX 1121-k, which might be equal to the power rating of the A3000, but might be less power, but still have all specs, Internet, integrated iPad / iPhone / iphone, pandora, AirPlay, and so on, I'm not up on their specs, but I'm looking on the overall, and this 1121-k will be around 750, still more than 1.5 times less than the A3000. That's all I've been comparing to.

With using Yamaha for almost 20 years, without a single receiver failure, or needing any single repairs, I'm frightened to think of switching brands, but with my basement re-model getting up to the many thousands, I need to make a compromise, I could just try and see how it goes, I'm looking to sell my home in a year, maybe two, and would sell all my AV gear with the house, and would buy something new another time and would think again about Yamaha later....
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Sure. I have not done a direct comparison between Pioneer and Yamaha.

I looked that that Pioneer, and at the Yamaha. The Yamaha weighed 35 pounds. The Pioneer weighed 28 pounds. That's a pretty big difference. Admittedly, that difference in the power supply should not mean many 100's of dollars Just saying it's not exactly comparing apples to oranges.

The A2000 has HQV video processing. Might be a more expensive solution than the Pioneer.

My Z7 has excellent Analog to Digital conversion. That may be a possible difference between the two.

It's possible Yamaha is a bit better in some ways, construction-wise. Better components and such. Or not, I don't know

Aventage does have a 3 year warranty, which is nice - what's the Pio's warranty?

I think your point is valid. Just noting some differences. Always good to have these discussions, because I am sure there's better value than Aventage, at least in some ways

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I have been a long time Onkyo owner but recently have had issues that made me change my mind about the brand so I have ordered a RX-V571 to replace my TX-SR608. The 608 keeps shutting off due to heat (no it is not in an enclosed space). My 605 had developed video switching issues and took almost 2 months in the shop under warranty to fix. I will update my post once I receive my unit from Newegg (offering a $100 gift card with purchase). I was considering the Denon but for the price I needed video upconversion.
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So far I am impressed with the yamaha. Only thing that is wierd is the volume is at ~-10 for normal tv viewing. I have some Klipsch HD500 speakers that I am using. The auto setup was quite a bit off. Said my rears were 31' away when they are only like 15'. My Onkyo 608 is still in the shop for the over heating issue.
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Well for my example, let's use the Pioneer VSX-1120-k vs the Adventage A2000 or 3000, the 1120-k could be had for around 550 bucks, where the A2000 is 1400, and the A3000 is 1799, so even though we compare apples to oranges, from what I see what do I get for over a grand or 1200 dollars if I went with the A2000 or 3000? I'm using pricing at Amazon for comparison.

My previous receivers were:
RX-v2095 ( currently still using today )
RX-V2090
RX-V1070
RX-V870

I really want to stay with yamaha, but I can't really justify that much of a difference, in about a month Pioneer is releasing their new top end unit, the VSX 1121-k, which might be equal to the power rating of the A3000, but might be less power, but still have all specs, Internet, integrated iPad / iPhone / iphone, pandora, AirPlay, and so on, I'm not up on their specs, but I'm looking on the overall, and this 1121-k will be around 750, still more than 1.5 times less than the A3000. That's all I've been comparing to.

With using Yamaha for almost 20 years, without a single receiver failure, or needing any single repairs, I'm frightened to think of switching brands, but with my basement re-model getting up to the many thousands, I need to make a compromise, I could just try and see how it goes, I'm looking to sell my home in a year, maybe two, and would sell all my AV gear with the house, and would buy something new another time and would think again about Yamaha later....
I would compare the 1121 to the 867. You can get the 867 for around 500 now and it has networking, good power, YPAO and all that good stuff. I love Denon but I was very close to getting the 867 just because of the value. The whole YPAO not eqing below 60 hz really bothered me so I went with the Denon 3311.
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I am not one who believes that all amplifiers sound the same. I have come to like the Pioneer sound the last few years. I think that reliability is one of the most important things with audio equipment, however.
Given the high failure rates of Onkyo, HK, and Denon, Yamaha and Pioneer look awfully good. I feel that if you choose which sound you like between those two brands, you will be happy.

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I am not one who believes that all amplifiers sound the same. I have come to like the Pioneer sound the last few years. I think that reliability is one of the most important things with audio equipment, however.
Given the high failure rates of Onkyo, HK, and Denon, Yamaha and Pioneer look awfully good. I feel that if you choose which sound you like between those two brands, you will be happy.


Where are the high failure rates on Denon coming from? I have used 3 and my 4th is in transit and none of them have failed. I see a lot of post about Onkyo's failing but not that many about Denons unless you're counting the NIC cards from 2 years ago. I wouldn't really call it a failure since the receiver still works but it was a goof on Denon's part.
I do agree that receivers can sound different depending on what room correction they use.
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Hi !
I'm considering buying a RX-V771 as I'm using both a LCD display and a projector.
I read that the former generation (rx-v767) suffered a "bug" while both HDMI output are activated, and that bug lead to a loss of image for a few seconds when using the projector and when the TV is off.
I was wondering is this problem affects the new amplifiers (771&871) and if so, if there are discrete codes to aim directly at the appropriate HDMI output while using one or another display.
I found discrete codes for the RX-A1000, RX-A2000, RX-A3000 on their thread but I'm not sure they are the same for RX-V771.

Thanks for your help.

PS : I'm not sure I used the good thread but I didn't find an "official" thread dedicated to the Amp.
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I would call their specs full disclosure now. They show number of channels driven. So stop complaining

Some will still find something to complain about.

Maybe they can complain at most other AVR manufacturers that still use the old way of quoting figures that everyone complained at Yamaha for using!
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