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I'd like to hear some opinions. The features on the 1121 have grabbed my attention, bells & whistles abound.
I currently have a Onkyo SR805, which was highly praised and even favored over the 806/807. It's Ultra2 certified. The amplifier section is deemed powerful. At 6ohms it's rated @ 180 watts/channel.

The 1121 is Select2. I've only seen the review for the 1021, but I'm aware that the amplifier sections differ. 6ohm rating is 120w/channel.

How different are the currents between the 805 & 1121? Is the Pio similar to H/K's current? I'm just trying to get a comparison to products I'm familiar with.

For me, video processing is secondary to audio capability. Would I reap upgrades in both respects?

Should I hold onto my (working) gem?

thanks for reading.
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Similar question from another Jeff. I currently have a Pioneer Elite VSX-74TXVi (6 years old). It only has 2 HDMI inputs (I need 4) and doesn't pass 1080p (only up to 1080i). It also doesn't upconvert or decode DTS-MA or Dolby True HD. The lack of audio decoding isn't a REAL big deal since I let my Pioneer BD35 do that decoding and pass it as PCM over HDMI.

So, should I spring for the 1121 or just buy a Monoprice HDMI switcher that passes 1080 and has 4 inputs and 2 outputs? I would run 1 output to the receiver and one to my new Mits HC4000 projector.
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Greetings!

As of today, I'm the proud owner of a Pioneer VSX-1121-K (or will be when UPS arrives!). My question is, I'm using my Veoldyne CHT-8 powered subwoofer with this amp. What is the optimal setting for the subwoofer for my initial auto calibration of the amp?

The subwoofer has settings for:
Low-Pass Crossover (rheostat 40-120Hz)
Volume
Phase switch (0 or 180)
Crossover switch (Internal X-over or Direct)

Thanks!
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Greetings!

As of today, I'm the proud owner of a Pioneer VSX-1121-K (or will be when UPS arrives!). My question is, I'm using my Veoldyne CHT-8 powered subwoofer with this amp. What is the optimal setting for the subwoofer for my initial auto calibration of the amp?

The subwoofer has settings for:
Low-Pass Crossover (rheostat 40-120Hz)
Volume
Phase switch (0 or 180)
Crossover switch (Internal X-over or Direct)

Thanks!
Jim

X-Over at 80Hz is pretty typical for most subs, and you can use the internal x-over, although the receiver has an x-over too which you would generally want to set the same 80Hz as a typical setting, so it ends up being the same if you use internal x-over or direct (which will take whatever the receiver sends)

Set Volume at 3/4 and Phase at 0 and Run calbiration. If it things your sub is too loud, it will tell you, so turn it down and re-test, do it in small increments until it says the sub isn't too loud

After calibration is done, you may find your sub is too quiet, so you may end up ratcheting the volume back up a little, or increasing the sub channel individually. I had to do this with my sub. The MCACCC calibration for the subwoofer isn't that great, so you either need to fine tune by ear, or use something like AVIA Guide to Home Theater and an SPL meter.
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any coupons at newegg this weekend. cant find with google search. i sent my last order back at $479. the following weekend it was 450. I think 179 is around the corner again.

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any coupons at newegg this weekend. cant find with google search. i sent my last order back at $479. the following weekend it was 450. I think 179 is around the corner again.

179 was a mistake where they put the coupon code out before putting the price back to retail... The window of opportunity was pure luck before they corrected it...
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So I'm looking at new receivers and the Pioneer seems the way I want to go. I will be connecting them to Klipsch Icon WF-34's, WC-24, and Insignia NSB's in the rear. I may add another pair of the Insignia's for the true 7.1, and I'm running dual Lava LSP-10's for subs. I am not seeing a whole lot of difference between the VSX-1021-k and the 1121-k for my uses. I will be using it for HT primarily, Music secondary, and general TV watching occasionally. I won't need multi-room capabilities as all of my sound will be run from my main living room. I don't THINK I'll be running any separate amps and will be using this for my main amp for my speakers. That seems to be the biggest thing between the two is one is passive signal for separate amps so you can run them and one does not. Other than that, can anybody tell me the main differences for my personal uses why one would be all that superior for almost twice the price. I like the little air card blue tooth deal, and pandora is nice because I listen to it quite a bit. Anyway, could somebody steer me in the right direction or would you think I NEED the 1120 over the 1020 for all intents and purposes.
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So I'm looking at new receivers and the Pioneer seems the way I want to go. I will be connecting them to Klipsch Icon WF-34's, WC-24, and Insignia NSB's in the rear. I may add another pair of the Insignia's for the true 7.1, and I'm running dual Lava LSP-10's for subs. I am not seeing a whole lot of difference between the VSX-1021-k and the 1121-k for my uses. I will be using it for HT primarily, Music secondary, and general TV watching occasionally. I won't need multi-room capabilities as all of my sound will be run from my main living room. I don't THINK I'll be running any separate amps and will be using this for my main amp for my speakers. That seems to be the biggest thing between the two is one is passive signal for separate amps so you can run them and one does not. Other than that, can anybody tell me the main differences for my personal uses why one would be all that superior for almost twice the price. I like the little air card blue tooth deal, and pandora is nice because I listen to it quite a bit. Anyway, could somebody steer me in the right direction or would you think I NEED the 1120 over the 1020 for all intents and purposes.

If you aren't planning on taking advantage of preouts the 1121 still has THX modes that the 1021 does not. This is nice if you don't always listen at reference levels which is most of us.
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Appreciate that jgminder. I am not seeing huge difference and maybe someday I will go for the pre-outs and amp my speakers individually, but for now I just can't afford it (too many expensive hobbies) My next purchase is going to be a Television first, then a new head unit to run it all.
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I feel like an idiot asking this but I would really like to know so I am going to ask anyway. Is there a way to change what is displayed on the receiver to the input selection instead of the surround sound mode that it is on? I tried hitting the display button on the remote and nothing happens. I have gone through the manual and can't see how to do it anywhere. Thanks in advance
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Hi everyone, just joined the 1121 fraternity this weekend (actually an 1126 model which is identical). I upgraded from my 2 year old VSX-9130TXH which has been awesome but only offered 3 x HDMI ports.

On both receivers I had/have a 7.1 speaker setup using all Energy Take Classics with a Velodyne 12" Sub. The setup works fantastic for our smaller living room and for whatever reason the Energy's are really shining now with the 1121. I'm guessing the newer version of the MCACC is responsible for that but man, the Energy's have literally just come to life and I thought they were amazing before!

Now for the rookie question that I can't seem to solve. My 9130 was able to go into a mode where 5.1 source material would matrix the surround channels across all 4 of the rear speakers unless it was a discrete 7.1 audio source in which case it would be true 7.1. With 5.1 material the 9130 would combine audio across the Surround and Surround Back channels if I had that enabled. (but still separate L and R channels) My rear speaker placement isn't optimal so combining the channels really helped extend the staging.

For the life of me I cannot see how to enable this mode or if it still exists! I think the setting on the 9130 was "SBch" which could be on/auto/off.

Does this ring a bell with anyone or should I be looking at a different matrix mode now on the new receiver? Thanks in advance!

James
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Yay, wifey gave the approval for a new reciever! I can spend @ $600 looking hard at the VSX- 1121 http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-VSX-11...d_rhf_pe_p_t_4. I really liked my Onkyo 605 but I am ready for something new to go with my new eD set up.

a couple of questions about network recievers do I need the HDMI with ethernet? Is this for network access?

and is there such a thing as an ethernet splitter? I have my PS3 hooked up into a NETGEAR Powerline AV 200 Adapter, is it possible to have two items running off the same internet signal at the same time?

Thanks in advance for your replies.
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HDMI is not for network. it is for audio/video.
you need ethernet cable ( also called CAT5 cable ). Pioneer also sells wireless adapter which is expensive.
if your powerline adapter has two ethernet ports, use empty one to connect to pioneer. if not, you can buy a ethernet hub or switch which will extend one port to multiple.
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the network equivalent of a "splitter" is a small 5 port network switch. One CAT5 line "in", 4 CAT5 connections "out". http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16833166034

How is your home internet set up now ? Do you have a router with empty RJ-45 connection ports?
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Thanks the replies m_vanmeter & crazyjutt.

m_vanmeter do have a wireless router not sure (I don't think) the poweline has an additional port I'll double check. I could go back to wirless on the ps3 and use the poweline to the Reciever. I prefer the hardline set up though. I'll look into the network switch.
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wrong model
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Any thoughts on this vs. the onkyo 809?
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Can't make up my mind , Pio 1121 currently on Amazon, $601, Onkyo 809 currently at $699 ugg!! Please give me some help either way!!
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Can't make up my mind , Pio 1121 currently on Amazon, $601, Onkyo 809 currently at $699 ugg!! Please give me some help either way!!

If you're into AirPlay or have an iPad, Pioneer has much better integration with those products. Otherwise, I'd personally go with the Onkyo TX-NR809. It's got more power and a better EQ program in my opinion.
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Thanks jgminder don't have an Ipad, son has an I pod but would probably never use AirPlay. I am kinda leaning towards the 809 cuz of the power advantage and my familiarity with Onkyo. The only thing that worries me is the DTS bomb as on my 605 with Transformers and Starwars, other than that my 605 is going strong. Was thinking Pioneer to try something diffrent?
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Thanks jgminder don't have an Ipad, son has an I pod but would probably never use AirPlay. I am kinda leaning towards the 809 cuz of the power advantage and my familiarity with Onkyo. The only thing that worries me is the DTS bomb as on my 605 with Transformers and Starwars, other than that my 605 is going strong. Was thinking Pioneer to try something diffrent?

I've tried a Pioneer in the past and now own a Denon. One added advantage of the Onkyo would be DynamicEQ especially for lower volume listening. I live in an apartment and sometimes I need reign in the dynamics to not piss of my neighbors. DynamicEQ is fantastic for this. I didn't own a Pioneer with THX listening modes so I couldn't compare the two but it would be another thing to consider in your purchase.
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Ok here is my problem. ordered the 1121k from amazon and it was an open box item (great deal). Already have it all set up and guess what. The microphone was not included. I really don't want to disconect everything again and send it back to get another one. My neighbor has the mic for a Denon avr-2112. Is it the same thing if I use that one for the set up? I'm sure it is but want to make sure..
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Ok here is my problem. ordered the 1121k from amazon and it was an open box item (great deal). Already have it all set up and guess what. The microphone was not included. I really don't want to disconect everything again and send it back to get another one. My neighbor has the mic for a Denon avr-2112. Is it the same thing if I use that one for the set up? I'm sure it is but want to make sure..

The Denon mic should work fine. Alternatively you could call Pioneer and order a mic.
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Ok here is my problem. ordered the 1121k from amazon and it was an open box item (great deal). Already have it all set up and guess what. The microphone was not included. I really don't want to disconect everything again and send it back to get another one. My neighbor has the mic for a Denon avr-2112. Is it the same thing if I use that one for the set up? I'm sure it is but want to make sure..

Denon mic will NOT work fine unless it is IDENTICAL to the Pioneer Mic. These automatic calibration systems are all designed to work with the specific acoustical properties of a specific microphone.

Contact Amazon and see what their policy is regarding missing peripherals. Open box in my mind simply should mean it's been opened, returned, whatever. Not missing parts. Having said that, I bought an open box Pioneer VSX-9130TXH from a local supplier a few years back. Mic was missing as well. I called Pioneer, explained that the mic was missing from the box and they sent me one for free after I faxed them a copy of my invoice. Mic was about $50 value as I recall. Absolutely first rate customer service from Pioneer and as a result, I just purchased a new VSX-1126-K (1121) a week ago. Wouldn't even consider another brand. And I'm LOVIN' the new 1126 so far! What a jewel! Cheers!

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is there a way to play only surround back speakers ? sometime i want to keep the volume low for TV watching when wife is sleeping and surround back speakers are next to my ears
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I've tried a Pioneer in the past and now own a Denon. One added advantage of the Onkyo would be DynamicEQ especially for lower volume listening. I live in an apartment and sometimes I need reign in the dynamics to not piss of my neighbors. DynamicEQ is fantastic for this. I didn't own a Pioneer with THX listening modes so I couldn't compare the two but it would be another thing to consider in your purchase.

Pioneer has ALC mode which is a similar idea to DynamicEQ from the way I read the description, but I have not had much experience with it in the real world. I'm guessing DynEQ is better in practice, since the general theme seems to be that Audyssey stuff performs better.
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Hi HDClown,

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The general theme seems to be that Audyssey stuff performs better.

I don't agree!

This is from RexCarson in the MCACC Thread...
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Thumbs up MCACC over Audyssey, Yep, I've found not everybody is happy with Auto-EQ of *any* type.

That's a BIG reason why I much prefer MCACC over Audyssey based receivers.

Why Pioneer and MCACC over Audyssey equipped receivers like Onkyo and Denon? Here's why:

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On the Audyssey equipped system, you can run an Audyssey EQ setup to provide room & speaker calibration using Audyssey filters which provide much higher resolution than a simple EQ. Of course, there are plenty of complaints on the Audyssey thread and elsewhere from people stating that Audyssey isn't getting things right... too much bass, or too little, or too much high-end roll-off, etc. Well, fortunately, to make adjustments for that, you can switch to manual, and tweak your settings with 5 or 7 bands of EQ, sometimes 9 bands as with a 1909, so you can imagine I was pretty excited about the possibilities. I like to tune the EQ when listening to different content/sources, so this would be the best combination of auto room correction combined with my manual EQ tweaks. Heaven right? Unfortunately, NO!! The devil is in the details, and you can verify what I'm about to say from the Denon 1909 manual among others (even in the Audyssey & Denon 1909 threads, and the Audyssey FAQ.) If I was to do what I just told you, and tweak the EQ setting to my tastes or depending on the content, I would LOSE all Audyssey filters, calibrations, and correction, along with losing Audyssey Dynamic EQ and Audyssey Dynamic Volume capabilities when using a manually tweaked EQ. All you are left with is a basic graphic EQ which provides no room correction and will not address issues in the time domain. Why is that you ask? Because you must switch from Audyssey mode to Manual mode to make ANY EQ adjustment. Suddenly, hundreds of time domain Audyssey correction filters lost! And as if that wasn't bad enough, you cannot configure more than one custom EQ preset, so if you want to change it, you have to go into setup, and change it manually for each and every channel/speaker. Again, you will lose all Audyssey capabilities and will not have Audyssey Dynamic EQ and Audyssey Dynamic Volume capabilities by making any changes to the EQ. OK, so you decide you will leave Audyssey EQ set rather than making your preferred EQ tweak, because you want the Audyssey room & speaker calibration, Dynamic EQ, and Dynamic Volume capabilities, and you decide you will just use bass/treble controls to adjust the tone to your preference. Another big problem here. Not only does this limit your tweaking to a couple broad frequency ranges, but if you are using Audyssey Dynamic EQ, you can NOT adjust the tone controls either! You will run into the same limitations on other receivers with Audyssey outside of high end stuff using the expensive Audyssey Pro kit and license, which still doesn't make it quick and easy to tweak your EQ curves. Audyssey doesn't want you to be able to tweak the EQ/tone to the content, your hearing, or your tastes.

Compare that to the Pioneer 1018, or the VSX-01TXH. The Pioneer lets you run MCACC on your room environment as a starting point, and then make tweaks to the MCACC settings using 9 bands of EQ, and save this to a an MCACC preset. Not just 1, but 6 MCACC/EQ presets that you can preconfigure! And you can switch between the 6 presets quickly during playback as desired. Unlike Audyssey equipped systems, you still retain your full MCACC calibration & room correction in the time domain. You do not lose functionality of the DRC (Dynamic Range Compression), mightnight, dialogue enhancement, Auto Level Control, THX Loudness Plus, or what have you. Of course, you still have phase control, standing wave control, bass management, etc as well. And from what I understand, the tone controls are still available, although manually tweaking the EQ is much more precise anyway. So if you like to control or tweak your sound, even if just a little bit, in addition to the automatic room & speaker calibration, environmental acoustic correction in the time domain, and without losing other functionality on your receiver, you are much better off with Pioneer and MCACC. Pioneer VSX-1018 and all of the current Elite models are the only ones that handle this the way the tweakers prefer and lets you have the "final" word on how it sounds after all the auto room EQ & calibration has run. Now, finally a match made in heaven.

Now I can just kick back and relax to some great calibrated & tweaked audio just to my liking

The MCACC thread Link is here..
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1112470&page=9

MCACC Page One
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1112470

You may also want to check the Audyessy thread here.. (There are over a thousand pages.)
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=795421


It's just that the Pioneer and Onkyo-Integra-Denon..do things very different from each other!
It is definitely not Apples to Apples as far as setup is concerned!

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I have a VSX-1121 with a Windows 7 HTPC running XBMC, and a 5.1 setup+front height speakers (not sure if that's 7.1 or 5.1+front height, but I'll address that later).

My question is regarding the Volume Control Options on the the computer, and what they should be set at to properly send audio signals to the receiver so that they can be optimally detected with Auto Surround. If you right click the Volume icon (little speaker in the taskbar), choose Sounds option, select the Playback tab, and then configure the settings of the playback device (in my situation, the VSX-1121 connected via HDMI), you are able to select how many channels are on the device. By default it is set to "Stereo," so I changed it to "5.1". It would seem that with front height speakers I would choose 7.1, but when testing the playback of the speakers on the computer at at 7.1, it doesn't detect the front height speakers mixes up the other speakers.

When I choose the "Auto Surround" audio configuration on the VSX-1121, it simply shows "PCM" when playing movies in DTS or Dolby True HD audio. I'm not exactly sure if it is properly decoding the Dolby or DTS.

Do I have my computer properly configured? Should I be doing something else to send the audio to my receiver? I've read the manual but haven't found the answer.
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looks like I will go with the pioneer brand, I went to a local BB and listened to the Elite 52 very very nice, they had it for $899 a little over my budget, so I think if the VSX 1121 is simmilar i would be happy withn that, so now I'm off to search(online). Any one know where I can purchase the Elite 52 for under $899 from an authorized dealer? I see the 1121 is still $601on Amazon. I also see on Amazon a VSX 52 can be purchased at a store front "your deal" for $679.00. Anyone have any thoughts going that route? I can purchase today.
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looks like I will go with the pioneer brand, I went to a local BB and listened to the Elite 52 very very nice, they had it for $899 a little over my budget, so I think if the VSX 1121 is simmilar i would be happy withn that, so now I'm off to search(online). Any one know where I can purchase the Elite 52 for under $899 from an authorized dealer? I see the 1121 is still $601on Amazon. I also see on Amazon a VSX 52 can be purchased at a store front "your deal" for $679.00. Anyone have any thoughts going that route? I can purchase today.

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