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I've got directv too and ended up not using the Pioneer's up scaling. I think my Sony does a better job on its own.
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I've got directv too and ended up not using the Pioneer's up scaling. I think my Sony does a better job on its own.

Maybe it's a directv thing. I've got a professionally isf calibrated kuro elite that has never looked so good until I went from my old Denon 1909 to the 1121. I have xfinity (comcast) service though....
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Serious gripes:
*Remote control D-pad does not work in the HMG. Wondering if anyone else can double check this for me. Every button works fine EXCEPT for the dpad/enter key. You have to use the dpad on the front panel to do anything which is a pain.

Is this still an issue with this AVR?
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Is this still an issue with this AVR?

From what I remember, you have to be sure to push the HMG button on the remote to get it in the proper mode and then the D pad buttons work. Mine works fine when I do this.
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What setting are you using on the DirecTV box? Sending native or is it upscaling, de-interlacing, etc. What do you have the receiver set to output? For a 1080i input you would (at best) be doing the de-interlacing which should appear identical unless something is wrong somewhere... It will upscale HDMI 720p to 1080i or 1080p.

Interesting... my DirectTV output was showing up as 1080i before putting in the 1121-k. Now it shows as 1080p.
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Interesting... my DirectTV output was showing up as 1080i before putting in the 1121-k. Now it shows as 1080p.

Explain a little more, because I suspect what you're seeing is the upscaling done by the 1121. I'm pretty certain directv can only go up to 1080i and no p.
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I'm using iControlAV2 and am generally pleased with it. It's much easier to control my AVR than using the horrible remote control. I appreciate how I can rename the inputs in the app (eg HDMI2 is now FIOS DVR) but wonder if there is a way to change the icons along with the name. Using the above example, my HDMI2/FIOS DVR has an icon of a CD or DVD, not a TV. Does anyone know if it is possible to change the icon?
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Is this still an issue with this AVR?

It works fine for me with the Pioneer remote. I have had problems getting my Harmony remote to work properly with HMG.

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Looks like the QDEO is only going to help with analog/sd sources (which I have none of):

"Marvell Qdeo analog to HDMI processing lets you connect older video sources to the receiver and get a beautiful result 1080p upconverting through HDMI. "

I get this impression as well.

I have an older Pioneer HDD/DVD DVR which has an HDMI output, and when I set its output to anything other than 480i, the Marvell chip seems to just pass it through. My recorded shows, when output at 480p on the recorder, are upscaled to 1080p by Qdeo, but have noticeable interlacing and combing artifacts. When I set the DVR's output to 480i, Qdeo kicks in and makes the picture simply stunning.

For 1080i and 720p cable shows, my TV shows a 1080p input, so Qdeo is obviously doing something, but PQ-wise, I can't see any difference at all no matter how hard I try to convince myself it's doing something.
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Explain a little more, because I suspect what you're seeing is the upscaling done by the 1121. I'm pretty certain directv can only go up to 1080i and no p.

I'm sure you're right. The first time I fired up the TV (watching Spartacus on Starz HD) the colors and overall picture struck me as more vibrant, but I thought it looked pretty good before so maybe I'm imagining things.

TV is a 46" Samsung UNC4600 something something... I set the 1121-k to LCD in the video settings (instead of the default plasma).
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I'm sure you're right. The first time I fired up the TV (watching Spartacus on Starz HD) the colors and overall picture struck me as more vibrant, but I thought it looked pretty good before so maybe I'm imagining things.

TV is a 46" Samsung UNC4600 something something... I set the 1121-k to LCD in the video settings (instead of the default plasma).

Yep, if you have the 1121 turned on at all, it will upscale to 1080p. If you have the Pioneer iControlAV2 app you can look at the video settings page and it will tell you the incoming signal and outgoing signal. It's pretty handy to always know what is coming in and going out.
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First, let me say that I bought the Pioneer VSX-1121 based on the good people who make up this forum and I'm quite pleased. So thank you very much. I imagine there are a lot of folks like me who read but don't write too much, but we do benefit from the community.

Now to my question. I have a general question regarding this receiver's volume level -- and really any receiver I guess but particularly the VSX-1121 because I own one. If I upgrade speakers, will the receiver sound louder? Or is amp power, amp power and that's how it works?

I know that is a poor way to phrase it. So perhaps if I provided more background on my current system you may understand what I'm trying to ask.

I currently have Polk TSi100's as my fronts to a 5.1 HT/Music system. I also have cheapo HTIB Sony speakers (no disrespect to Sony, just my set is what it is) for my surrounds and sub. I've already upgraded the center channel, thankfully, to an Axiom VP100 and obviously the sound is better than the Sony I used as a center channel. I plan to buy Axiom M60's (this weekend) to replace the Polk's as fronts--and move the Polk's to the surrounds to replace the Sonys. Will I notice an overall upgrade in volume? Right now, I have to turn the receiver up to almost -57.00dB (auto surround) to hear anything (Polk's and Axiom).

Thank you for taking the time to read and if you do reply...I would greatly appreciate it.

P.S. Eventually, I plan to buy a quality sub and surrounds.
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3 part answer...

- on any avr with a logarithmic volume scale (assuming you calibrated it), you won't hear much until you get to at least that level... keep turning the volume knob... -57db is barely a whisper...

- keeping it simple, "how loud" speakers can get is based upon 2 factors, their efficiency and their power handling... "efficiency" is "how much spl will they produce given 1 watt of power"... "power handling" is, well, power handling (how much power will they take before melting into goo)...

- assuming you calibrate the avr when you change speakers, both sets of speakers will produce exactly the same spl at the same number on the volume control...

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Chris:

Wow...that's an awesome answer. I think it will take two days for me to fully understand it. ;O)

In all seriousness, I do have my speakers calibrated and will again when I get the M60's but from a...let's say non-academic standpoint -- can I get the receiver to play louder? Or do I need to buy an additional amp to really get loudness?

I know its no longer cool to most people to just sit around and listen to music but I still love to. And no matter the genre I want to hear it relatively loud.

Anyway, awesome answer and thank you very much. Btw, if you have any suggestions for me on getting quality sound under $2000, I welcome them. As long as it doesn't require me selling this receiver. I love it.
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you are welcome... ask questions if it wasn't clear or need further explanation, we'll help you out...

oh, it's plenty cool to sit around a listen to music (loud even).... MANY of us do...

sure, you can get it to play louder... just turn it up more....

quickie lesson... and again, keeping it simple...

the decibel scale is logarithmic... in a nutshell, what this means is that -40 on your avr is 10 times as loud as -50... and -30 is 100 times as loud as -50... and -20 is 1000 times as loud as -50... and so on... the key takeaway from this is that it doesn't work in a linear form...

so, if you consider that, you'll see that the avr is barely working at all at -50 (and in reality, barely working at all at -20, you are still likely using well under a watt of power)...

take your tsi100's, for example... they are rated at 91db efficiency... that means at 1 meter away, they produce 91 decibels from ONE watt of power... which is LOUD...

the flip side of this is while it takes very little power to get speakers quite loud, it takes LOTS more to get a bit louder... it takes twice the amount of power in order to increase spl by 3 decibels...

so if you get 91db from 1 watt, you get 94db from 2 watts, 97db from 4 watts, 100db from 8 watts, and so on...

digest that, and then we can move on to the next step...

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Heads up for those interested in 1121-K. I just saw it at the lowest price EVER. Yes the BF price is back for this weekend it seems at Newegg.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-82117401-L04A
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Heads up for those interested in 1121-K. I just saw it at the lowest price EVER. Yes the BF price is back for this weekend it seems at Newegg.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-82117401-L04A

Probably because pioneer just announced the new 2012 lineup this week (1122). Time you to move last year's models.
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yup... it's time for everyone to blow out existing inventory...

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Probably because pioneer just announced the new 2012 lineup this week (1122). Time you to move last year's models.

I got an email from Pioneer announcing the 2012 new model line up and wasn't real impressed with what I saw. I'm glad I got the VSX-1121!

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I just skimmed through this entire thread from the beginning. ...And I looked at the vsx-1122-k 2012 model at the Pioneer site a few minutes ago and discovered it is down on power and no longer THX certified compared to the vsx-1121-k 2011 model. ...And the MSRP has dropped to $599.99 for the newer unit, so I guess it's apples and oranges when comparing these two.

Anyone see an advantage in buying the non-THX certified 2012 model other than the front USB port is now capable of FLAC?
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I just skimmed through this entire thread from the beginning. ...And I looked at the vsx-1122-k 2012 model at the Pioneer site a few minutes ago and discovered it is down on power and no longer THX certified compared to the vsx-1121-k 2011 model. ...And the MSRP has dropped to $599.99 for the newer unit, so I guess it's apples and oranges when comparing these two.

Anyone see an advantage in buying the non-THX certified 2012 model other than the front USB port is now capable of FLAC?

Down on power? I just looked and it says 120 W/ch, isn't the 1121 110 W/ch?
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I looked under the specs and it says (20Hz-20kHz,.08%THD@8ohm) 90 watts.

The 2011 model was (20Hz-20kHz,.08%THD@8ohm) 110 watts.
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I looked under the specs and it says (20Hz-20kHz,.08%THD@8ohm) 90 watts.

The 2011 model was (20Hz-20kHz,.08%THD@8ohm) 110 watts.

Oh wow, you're right. I was looking at the one below that. How in the world can a company come up with a new model with lower specs, especially power in an amplifier. It's arguably the most important spec.
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Yea I was not impressed with with 2012 line-up. Make me wonder if they will do something different with the Elites for 2012.

Now I'm thinking about getting an 1121 while the price has gone down.

Has anyone tried the new iPad + airplay with the 1121?
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Yea I was not impressed with with 2012 line-up. Make me wonder if they will do something different with the Elites for 2012.

Now I'm thinking about getting an 1121 while the price has gone down.

Has anyone tried the new iPad + airplay with the 1121?

I've tried an iPad 2 with AirPlay and the 1121. No reason to think the new iPad would behave any differently. It's awesome. I never realized how cool airlpay is until I used it.
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AirPlay certainly sounds awesome. Are you able to multitask with AirPlay? Play music while on the Internet or another app?

I guess the only difference for the receiver would be the software, 5.1? So hopefully it would work.
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Oh wow, you're right. I was looking at the one below that. How in the world can a company come up with a new model with lower specs, especially power in an amplifier. It's arguably the most important spec.

Poor choice by Pioneer by making their top of the line receiver lower on power, losing the THX certification and still having the 1 yr warranty.
I surely will not be upgrading my 1120k to the 1122 receiver.

i just wish they came out with deals on their Elite receivers.

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Is the video upscalor chip on the 1121k better than the 1120?

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1. Professor Chris...once again thank you very much!!! I'm telling you, I feel like I need to pay you for tutoring me. Awesome.

2. Did not realize the dB scale was logarithmic but it totally makes sense the way you have explained it.

3. Regarding the flip side, so I guess loudness on the 1121 is really not an issue...it's more about how the speaker handles the power (?) from the receiver and how that registers to a listener's ears (meaning, if he or she subjectively thinks it sounds good). Does that make sense?
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I've tried an iPad 2 with AirPlay and the 1121. No reason to think the new iPad would behave any differently. It's awesome. I never realized how cool airlpay is until I used it.

For airplay do you need the bluetooth adapter or just the ipad/iphone connected to the same network as the receiver?

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