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Hi All,

I came across these details for the upcoming Onkyo TX-NR-809/TX-NR1009 AV Amps - they are from the Onkyo Asia & Oceanic website so I trust that they are credible?! Not the prettiest looking amps by a long shot but hopefully some here can go through the feature lists & pass comment!

I like the TX-NR1009 - it is 9.2 & has Audyssey DSX, Dolby Pro-Logic IIz & DTS Neo:X - just what I was looking for!

http://www.intl.onkyo.com/downloads/...eu_leaflet.pdf

http://www.intl.onkyo.com/products/a...009/index.html

http://www.intl.onkyo.com/downloads/...ex_leaflet.pdf

http://www.intl.onkyo.com/products/a...809/index.html

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I hated the look of the new Onkyos when I first saw them but I kind of like the 809/1009 in silver. I was hoping XT32 would make an appearance on the 1009 but after I saw the Denon 3312 didn't have it I doubted it would be on there.
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Both the 809 and the 1009 look to be loaded with features. One definite improvement is that both the 809 and 1009 will have Audyssey MultEQ XT. The 808 and 1008 have MultEQ. I'm looking forward to see what is in store for the 3009, 5009 and 5509. I like the look as it reminds me of Arcam products. I just hope the new face plates are not plastic.

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Hello,
It is also awesome to see Onkyo is going to be implementing the HQV Vida Video Processor. After reading the Video Bench Test on the Vida equipped Yamaha A3000, this is definitely appears to be a good thing.

I also like the new Industrial Design on the 1009 and think it looks better than on 509. 609. etc...
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Can't wait to see a comparison to the Onkyo TX-NR709.
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Kinda dissapointed that Onkyo downgraded the powerratings again, the 1009 now reads 830W max for 9 channels That means it will output around 69W per channel max when driving 9 speakers, without any limiters that is. I'm curious how it sounds in real life.
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Kinda dissapointed that Onkyo downgraded the powerratings again, the 1009 now reads 830W max for 9 channels That means it will output around 69W per channel max when driving 9 speakers, without any limiters that is. I'm curious how it sounds in real life.

Assuming you sit about 12 ft from each of your speakers, and your speakers have 90 dB efficiency, 69W/ch for 9 channels results in about 111 dB of SPL at the listening position.

I hope you have a really big room you are trying to fill if you want to use all that power!

Although I just noticed the only reference to 830W of power is from the power consumption rating of the device. The 1008 has the same power comspution rating. And that doesn't necessarily mean all that power goes out the speakers: the unit consumes power doing other stuff too. Probably around 500W of actual audio-driving power is being produced.

Or is 830W max power from 9 speakers listed somewhere that I'm not seeing?

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Assuming you sit about 12 ft from each of your speakers, and your speakers have 90 dB efficiency, 69W/ch for 9 channels results in about 111 dB of SPL at the listening position.

I hope you have a really big room you are trying to fill if you want to use all that power!

Although I just noticed the only reference to 830W of power is from the power consumption rating of the device. The 1008 has the same power comspution rating. And that doesn't necessarily mean all that power goes out the speakers: the unit consumes power doing other stuff too. Probably around 500W of actual audio-driving power is being produced.

Or is 830W max power from 9 speakers listed somewhere that I'm not seeing?

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Actually, assuming 70w's a channel, you're looking at ~ 96-97dbs ATLP within those parameters when you factor in the loss of 6dbs for every doubling of distance starting at 1/M. You may be accounting for the coupling effect of all 9 loudspeakers, but that's never anywhere near fully realized in a properly recorded/played back mix. I guess there are some around still blasting 9 channel stereo though.

Still, I agree that it should offer plenty of power for most applications...especially considering most do not listen anywhere near 85/105db "reference" levels. Anywhere near 65-70dbs should be fine with plenty of space left for 20-25db dynamics.

Last, I acually LOVE the way these look: VERY clean appearing and down to business. Gone is that hokey, angled front that I thought looked, well, hokey, IMO.

Hopefully the 3009 or 5009 will FINALLY offer full 11 channel capability...at least through the pre-outs.

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Assuming you sit about 12 ft from each of your speakers, and your speakers have 90 dB efficiency, 69W/ch for 9 channels results in about 111 dB of SPL at the listening position.

I hope you have a really big room you are trying to fill if you want to use all that power!

I'm not implying it won't be enough, I am aware of the fact that most won't even reach up to 60W per channel, but that's not the point It's about speaker control, not volume.

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Although I just noticed the only reference to 830W of power is from the power consumption rating of the device. The 1008 has the same power comspution rating. And that doesn't necessarily mean all that power goes out the speakers: the unit consumes power doing other stuff too. Probably around 500W of actual audio-driving power is being produced.

Or is 830W max power from 9 speakers listed somewhere that I'm not seeing?

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That's where I got the 69W from. About 70-75% of all power is routed to the power amp modules and can be used for driving your speakers. All other power is used for other stuff or gets lost through heat.
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Although I just noticed the only reference to 830W of power is from the power consumption rating of the device. The 1008 has the same power comspution rating.

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That's where I got the 69W from. About 70-75% of all power is routed to the power amp modules and can be used for driving your speakers. All other power is used for other stuff or gets lost through heat.

OK, so I'm still curious as to how you arrived at the conclusion that the 1009 has less power output than the 1008:

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Kinda dissapointed that Onkyo downgraded the powerratings again, the 1009 now reads 830W max for 9 channels

The info I can find shows the 1008 and 1009 have the same rated power comsumption.

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You're right, I was under the impression the 1008 had 870W, my bad. Still, the 1007 had 1060W for 9 channels, so it's kind of a let-down for me.
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Some pictures so you don't have to click!

I really like the look of the 809 and 1009. Didn't care too much for the lower models look, but this is nice. The 809 is now up on Onkyo USA.

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Yeah, the 809 looks way better than the 709 and down. I still prefer the previous generations, but this keeps a clean look (the 709 looks too cluttered.)

I can't tell from the pics, but I'm assuming it has the DD/DTS logos and such along the top edge? I've always hated that trend.

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I read the TX-NR809 manual on the European Onkyo but I can't determine if the receiver supports HDMI output of separate sources simultaneously. Do you think it can output blu ray and cable HDMI inputs to separate TV's at once ?

The TX-NR3008 supported composite video output in zone 2, however I haven't been able to determine if the 809 or 1009 has this feature.
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ill be looking really hard at the 809 as an upgrade from my current 608
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I read the TX-NR809 manual on the European Onkyo but I can't determine if the receiver supports HDMI output of separate sources simultaneously. Do you think it can output blu ray and cable HDMI inputs to separate TV's at once ?

Incredibly unlikely.
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Just when I had decided to keep my current AVR for a while longer because I could not find the feature set I wanted at the price I could support, along comes the announcement of the 809. MultiEQ XT, 2 HDMI outputs, analogue MCH input, MCH pre-outs plus a number of interesting other features. May have to go back to my original idea of upgrading the HT AVR and moving my current one to the living room. I may still wait a while and go for a bigger jump (separates, most likely) but that would be something of an overindulgence, given the small size of my room.
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Finally, Onkyo has steered away from the old ugly 'bulldozer-designs'. That was the reason why I didn't bother looking further. Quite impressive with these new ones...and they kept the PHONO input, yes! Only if I waited a bit longer before I bought my Denon AVR-2310CI, just as good though...oh well.
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since this is released in 2011, can the component output 720p/1080i signal?

Am using a 808 now but would love to have the 9.2 features but I still using an old projector that only have component input that can accept up to 1080i.

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someone already listened to the 809? Wonder if it will be an upgrade from my Yamaha rx-v1800. Think the Yammy is a little too much on the highs of my Focal Chorus (826) speakers.
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I saw this thread earlier, but posted in another dedicated Onkyo thread. However, I haven't had a single reply in the 808 thread (only 7hrs, but..), so I'll repost here since this is very similar and you guys might know:

* In your opinion, is the NR1008 worth say, $200 or so more than the NR808? I'm not really up on these, but I've narrowed my new AVR search down to a couple of Onkyo units, and it appears that the main difference between these two (beside price) is the extra pre-outs for front heights? And do you even consider this to be meaningful over still have spkr connections for the heights on the 808 the way Audessey works? Any other significant differences and/or comments welcomed. TIA!
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I think the 1008 is worth $200 more than the 808, but it depends on the features that you are looking for.

In addition to the extra preouts you mentioned, the 1008:

1) is a true 9 channel receiver, vs 7 channels on the 808
2) has ISF calibration ability
3) can power 3 zones, vs 2 on the 808
4) can run DSX heights and wides at same time if you don't use rear back surrounds, vs only one of wides and heights at a time on the 808
5) has a learning remote
6) can output to two hdmi ports at the same time
7) can upscale to 1080i

If you are willing buy a factory refurb, you can get the 1008 at accessories4less for more than $600 lower then the msrp price of $1399.


I think the 808 has an additional hdmi input though
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Can hardly wait for the 1009...!!!!

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I think the 1008 is worth $200 more than the 808, but it depends on the features that you are looking for.

In addition to the extra preouts you mentioned, the 1008:

1) is a true 9 channel receiver, vs 7 channels on the 808
2) has ISF calibration ability
3) can power 3 zones, vs 2 on the 808
4) can run DSX heights and wides at same time if you don't use rear back surrounds, vs only one of wides and heights at a time on the 808
5) has a learning remote
6) can output to two hdmi ports at the same time
7) can upscale to 1080i

Dave, thanks for the reply! I was starting to wonder if anyone was going to chime in....lol. Btw, I have read that the two output HDMI is kind of bogus. That is, two separate signals cannot be output simultaneously (this is what one reviewer claimed/complained about). Either way, this feature wouldn't be important to me. The heights and wides together is of interest to me, so thanks for pointing that out, as I was not aware.

And geez, I forgot all about ISF calibration. I believe I might still have a DVD around here that I paid like, $50 (or maybe even more???) for over a decade ago that helps do this. Integrated into the AVR, eh? Cool.

Good info....again, thanks very much!
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And fwiw, the search is over; I just ordered a NR1008. I think I'll be quite pleased with this. Of course, this will mean that I'll now have 5 or 6 AVRs now, lol, but....this is the first AVR I've bought in something like 8 or 9 years. For all the bashing Sony gets (and probably deservedly these days), I've had great experiences with all of mine (at least 5... 2 still in use...the other handed down).

This will be my first Onkyo purchase. Funny, but I set out to get the best value AVR to use solely as a pre-pro, but ended up with a model higher than expected (approx $150 more). Looking forward to it.
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So here I am trying to decide if it's worth to upgrade from my TX-SR805 to TX-NR809 which does have more features, I have had the 805 since 2007 and it's been working flawless but would I notice a difference in better sound quality going to NR809 from my 805 power wise they seem close?
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So here I am trying to decide if it's worth to upgrade from my TX-SR805 to TX-NR809 which does have more features, I have had the 805 since 2007 and it's been working flawless but would I notice a difference in better sound quality going to NR809 from my 805 power wise they seem close?

I would think the biggest difference would be Audyssey.
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I would think the biggest difference would be Audyssey.

Yes, features are all the difference. Power output is so overestimated. Many people don't realize that there's hardly a real db difference between say, 100wpc and 125wpc. You'd probably never notice the difference. And if you end up saying, "I used to be able to put my volume knob on 4, but now I have to have it between the 4 and the 5"....well, beside volume pots being different, who the hell cares what number it's on? SQ difference isn't going to be an issue.
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I would think the biggest difference would be Audyssey.

I think the 805 and 809 both have the same version of Audyssey (MultEq XT)
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Have there not been any improvements to XT in the intervening years? If not, then that is one less reason to change.
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