So I had originally been thinking about simply getting the 1712, but a thought occurred to me: would the Denon models 2112 and up, with networking, allow one to control other devices connected to it via an ipad or pc? I know that there are apps for it such as on an iPhone, where you can do simple controls, but is it possible to control, say, a bluray player that is connected to the receiver from an ipad, iPhone, or laptop pc on the same network? If so, that would be a game changer. My original thought process was I'd get something like the 1712 and then get something like Apple TV for airplay, down the road. But perhaps there's more to this whole app control possibility than I originally thought? If so, there would be no need for a universal remote like a logitech Harmony.