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Old 02-21-2012, 06:22 PM
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I've been trying to find a reason to go buy a 2112 for $449 at my local best buy (also open box) and return the 1712, but I really can't justify it right now.

I found firmware updates (piece of mind) and the ability to configure the 2112 via your browser worthwhile upgrades. The ability to save/load your configuration is rather neat too. Although, I was only looking at a $125 difference.
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I am having a problem with my 2312 channel level. It seems like I have to keep setting right and left to +5 every time i turn it back on.. Any reason why.. I even put on setup lock and when I go into settings its locked.. Anyone else having this issue?

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If you are using the Quick Select buttons you will have to reset the setting after you press your Quick Select, hold down that particular button a few seconds until the Memory flashes on your screen to save the new settings. If you need to, do this for the rest of your Quick Selects.

If that is not the issue I would do a microprocessor reset.
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I have the 1712 that I picked up open box from best buy for $249... Don't regret it one bit. Originally had the 1312, but I had tons of problems with HDMI devices. I have no issues with the 1712 in that regards. I've been trying to find a reason to go buy a 2112 for $449 at my local best buy (also open box) and return the 1712, but I really can't justify it right now. The added benefit of the network capabilities is a null point for me since I have an htpc connected to my avr and TV.

I too picked up one via open boxed, and once I did a master reset I am very impressed on how well it sounds. You can always pick up the network adapter, which cost more than the actual unit.. LOL

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Hey guys, I'm setting up my 1712, and I'm in the middle of performing MultiEq XT, but I'm noticing that the receiver doesn't ask me to set the Subwoofer Volume, manually, until it hits a certain decibal level (I've set up an Onkyo 809 before, which does that). Am I missing something? Also, I have my speakers set to "small" (they are pioneers) and I have the subwoofer set to "LFE+Main" and the LPF set to 90 crossover, while the rest of the speakers are set at 90 crossover. Does this sound right?
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I too picked up one via open boxed, and once I did a master reset I am very impressed on how well it sounds. You can always pick up the network adapter, which cost more than the actual unit.. LOL

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Wow, 299 for that??? Makes me want to go pick up the 2112ci

I used to use a 7 year old Kenwood receiver before I took the leap to this. The difference was night and day! The Kenwood sounded muffled and overall terrible no matter which speakers I had connected. It was by chance that I picked up the first Denon, since I was in a rush (wife was out in the car waiting for me) and it was the only one that caught my eye. When I plugged it in and heard the sweet sounds, I was immediately sold on Denon's line of avr's. I went back a couple of weeks later and that's when I picked up the 1712. I'm trying to hold back against going and picking up the 2112ci for $449... but it is very tempting! I have about 3 days before my return period expires, so let's see if I can tough it out
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On my 1712, I noticed that on the menu, on the TV, during auto setup, it says "multieq xt." However, on the actual receiver itself, only "multieq" is lighting up. Does this mean there's a firmware issue? I only ask because I recall JD mentionin something like this. For what it's worth, I did run auto setup and I measured 8 positions (not sure if regular "multieq" does this). Just concerned that the "XT" isn't lighting up on the actual front plate of the receiver (as the directions seem to indicate that it would).
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On my 1712, I noticed that on the menu, on the TV, during auto setup, it says "multieq xt." However, on the actual receiver itself, only "multieq" is lighting up. Does this mean there's a firmware issue? I only ask because I recall JD mentionin something like this. For what it's worth, I did run auto setup and I measured 8 positions (not sure if regular "multieq" does this). Just concerned that the "XT" isn't lighting up on the actual front plate of the receiver (as the directions seem to indicate that it would).

Hi HTNUT1975, see page 1 post #4

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8. When Audyssey MultEQ XT is enabled on the 1712, the "XT" does not light up on the front panel display (although it is enabled).

as of 11/1/11: Resolved by firmware update, although the firmware must be installed by an authorized Denon repair facility.

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And they are offering me the 1712 for the 1611 price...just wanted to know the catch...

I have purchased two receivers from them with no issues at all....highly recommended.

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And they are offering me the 1712 for the 1611 price...just wanted to know the catch...

Why would there be a catch? The MSRP on both models is the same.

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Hey guys, I'm setting up my 1712, and I'm in the middle of performing MultiEq XT, but I'm noticing that the receiver doesn't ask me to set the Subwoofer Volume, manually, until it hits a certain decibal level (I've set up an Onkyo 809 before, which does that). Am I missing something? Also, I have my speakers set to "small" (they are pioneers) and I have the subwoofer set to "LFE+Main" and the LPF set to 90 crossover, while the rest of the speakers are set at 90 crossover. Does this sound right?

Unlike the Onkyo models, none of the Denon XX12 models do the highlighted above, rather you simply set the sub gain/volume knob to mid level, run AUTO SETUP for 1 position only and adjust the sub gain/volume knob down if the sub trim gets set to -12db (ie. maxed out) and run AUTO SETUP again. Review the Audyssey Setup Guide in my sig as well as section 1(b) in post #3 in this thread. Use the mfr default settings of sub = "LFE" and LPF for LFE = "120hz" as there's no reason to change them.

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How do I dismiss a Quick Select Message that was accidently engaged? Clicking Save or Exit on the Remote has no effect.
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Have you turned network standby on? Doing so eliminated the delay for me.
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Thanks! I'll give that a try.

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JD, Batpig and all,
I have the 2312 in my main living room and absolutely love it. Thanks for this thread. I am currently shopping for another receiver with pre-out for my dedicated theater. Am considering the 3312, Onkyo 809 and Anthem MRX 300. I am very familiar with Audessesy now (again, thanks Batpig) and do not know anything about Anthem ARC. Do you know how ARC compare to Audessey MultiXT or even XT32? The 3312 is basically the 2312+ pre-out, so it is hard to spend ~$250 more just to have Pre-out. The Onkyo 809 can be had for around the 2312 price ($650) but not sure it sounds as good as the Denon. After reading threads here and reading reviews about the Anthem MRX300 receiver from Sound Vision, Hometheater mag, etc..., this receiver scores a very high score and they talk highly about the ARC. I am trying to decide which receiver to buy and thought I started here for your suggestion, especially from JD and Batpig. Thanks.
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Hi folks,

HT newbie here (but an audio veteran). New system built around the Denon AVR-1712. Couple questions:

1. I'd like to watch movies with the uncompressed 5.1 (or 7.1) soundtrack, but It seems to me those would be optimal in DIRECT mode. However, in DIRECT mode, all processing is apparently bypassed. Does this include the Audyssey channel levels? Audyssey seems to do a good job of setting levels, but I'd rather not use its EQ adjustments (it rolls of bass at 63Hz on the fronts by -14.5 db!)

2. I could write down the level settings from Audyssey and enter them manually via "manual setup." Are these adjustments also bypassed in DIRECT mode?

3. Anyone have a recommendation for a BD with a 5.1 or 7.1 uncompressed audio track that would challenge the audio system and reveal its weaknesses?

Thanks!

PS: Thanks to batpig for his Denon Setup Guide. It answered many questions.
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1) no, direct isn't optimal, using audyssey is. it adjusted that frequency for a reason.

2) no, engaging manual eq disables audyssey.

3) see the bd threads for demo material.

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JD, Batpig and all,
I have the 2312 in my main living room and absolutely love it. Thanks for this thread. I am currently shopping for another receiver with pre-out for my dedicated theater. Am considering the 3312, Onkyo 809 and Anthem MRX 300. I am very familiar with Audessesy now (again, thanks Batpig) and do not know anything about Anthem ARC. Do you know how ARC compare to Audessey MultiXT or even XT32? The 3312 is basically the 2312+ pre-out, so it is hard to spend ~$250 more just to have Pre-out. The Onkyo 809 can be had for around the 2312 price ($650) but not sure it sounds as good as the Denon. After reading threads here and reading reviews about the Anthem MRX300 receiver from Sound Vision, Hometheater mag, etc..., this receiver scores a very high score and they talk highly about the ARC. I am trying to decide which receiver to buy and thought I started here for your suggestion, especially from JD and Batpig. Thanks.

If you're setting up a dedicated home theater, yes, it's absolutely worth spending the small extra amount for the pre-outs. You may very well want to upgrade to a beefier amp at some point.

Personally, however, in your situation I'd be looking at the 4311 instead of the 3312. A dedicated home theater deserves the best! (the best being XT32)
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Thanks, Chris.

So manual channel level settings will remain in effect in DIRECT mode?
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If you're setting up a dedicated home theater, yes, it's absolutely worth spending the small extra amount for the pre-outs. You may very well want to upgrade to a beefier amp at some point.

Personally, however, in your situation I'd be looking at the 4311 instead of the 3312. A dedicated home theater deserves the best! (the best being XT32)

The 4311 is more than what i want to spend. I have the Sunfire 5 chs amp. Thanks.
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JD, Batpig and all,
I have the 2312 in my main living room and absolutely love it. Thanks for this thread. I am currently shopping for another receiver with pre-out for my dedicated theater. Am considering the 3312, Onkyo 809 and Anthem MRX 300. I am very familiar with Audessesy now (again, thanks Batpig) and do not know anything about Anthem ARC. Do you know how ARC compare to Audessey MultiXT or even XT32? The 3312 is basically the 2312+ pre-out, so it is hard to spend ~$250 more just to have Pre-out. The Onkyo 809 can be had for around the 2312 price ($650) but not sure it sounds as good as the Denon. After reading threads here and reading reviews about the Anthem MRX300 receiver from Sound Vision, Hometheater mag, etc..., this receiver scores a very high score and they talk highly about the ARC. I am trying to decide which receiver to buy and thought I started here for your suggestion, especially from JD and Batpig. Thanks.

I have no experience with Anthem ARC; however, from what I've read it's fairly comparable to Audyssey, although there again depends on what levels of each you are comparing as well as the speakers and your room dynamics. Ideally you would be able to obtain one of each AVR and demo for yourself. Unless you plan on driving 4Ω speakers or low efficiency speakers (ie. <87db) at high levels (ie reference 0db), then you likely don't need to worry about an AVR having preouts. You may also want to consider the Marantz 5006 (refurb) which would be comparable to the 2312CI although has no video upscaling chip.

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Thanks JD. Yes i wil be using the 4ohm Martin Logan with 89db senitivity(i think), so I need one with preouts.
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The 4311 is more than what i want to spend. I have the Sunfire 5 chs amp. Thanks.

If you want to save some money why not check out 3311ci with full pre-outs. It can be had for under $800. Pretty much the same as the 3312ci minus a few features such as no advanced gui or overlay with 3D.
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What about the Onkyo 809 for $650? Specs and features seem unbelievable for this price, but does it translate to good/great sound is the question? I am all about good sound for the money receiver. Thanks.
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Since the 809 can do 4ohm impedance speakers and has pre-outs this would probably be a better fit for you.

Onkyo's do usually run hot so if bought make sure you have enough ventilation and/or exhaust fan.

As far as sound quality there is probably not alot of differences there as they are both nice mid level avr's.
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Considering you have a nice 5ch amp there isn't much reason to expect any major difference in SQ. So any model with XT and preouts will work fine. So beyond that, it's just a decision of price vs features. If you aren't going to step up to XT32 yet then I would just get the cheapest model with XT and preouts that I could find... But that's just me.

Then spend the money you save on things like measurement equipment, room treatments and subwoofers.

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Since the 809 can do 4ohm impedance speakers and has pre-outs this would probably be a better fit for you.

Onkyo's do usually run hot so if bought make sure you have enough ventilation and/or exhaust fan.

As far as sound quality there is probably not alot of differences there as they are both nice mid level avr's.

As tempting as Onkyo/Integra units are due to the better video processing over current gen Denons, I wouldn't go near either brand because of this thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...339186&page=43

Given the apparent higher risk and lost time/aggrevation for dealing with unit failures and finickiness, I'd stay with Denon, even if you had to spend a few hundred dollars more as a result for the higher end Denon. I'm saying this as a former owner of a flagship Denon for almost nine years, and all things being equal, the very fact that a brand has a non-trivlal "failure" thread speaks for itself. You may sleep better in the long run.

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Thanks JD. Yes i wil be using the 4ohm Martin Logan with 89db senitivity(i think), so I need one with preouts.

The 5006 offers FL/FR preouts.

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after audyssey setting the sub at -7.5 i wasnt too pleased with the sound. i then raised it to -4 and sounds much better now. rest of the speakers were also set in the negatives. should i also raise the rest of the speakers the same amount of intervals that i did to the sub?

btw im coming from the regular multieq and this xt definitely is worth the upgrade
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As already noted in the Audyssey thread, you're free to raise the volume of the sub and any speaker to suit your preference without impacting the Audyssey filters, although you would be better served leaving the settings as they are for a couple of weeks to see if you adjust to the new sound.

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