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if the only feature you would be spending for is airplay, no, as 99 dollar atv will do a "better" job...

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if the only feature you would be spending for is airplay, no, as 99 dollar atv will do a "better" job...

Can you explain why it would do a better job ?
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Can you explain why it would do a better job ?

Also---would I be better off just buying a bluetooth receiver for the Denon 1612 to stream IPOD touch content that way ? Ive read a few places where people say the BT sound quality is lacking compared to airplay ? Is that accurate ?
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Can you explain why it would do a better job ?

more reliable...

streams video...

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Also---would I be better off just buying a bluetooth receiver for the Denon 1612 to stream IPOD touch content that way ? Ive read a few places where people say the BT sound quality is lacking compared to airplay ? Is that accurate ?

no... the best way is to stay within the apple ecosystem...

blind tested, I find it unlikely that the "difference" isn't swamped by other environmental factors in your setup...

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more reliable...

streams video...

OH ? The airplay in the denon receiver cant stream video from an ipod touch ?
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I just purchased (have 29 days to return) the Denon AVR-1912 with Airplay assuming that I could utilize Airplay from my iPhone and/or ATV for Zone 2 (speakers on my deck)...well, apparently zone 2 accepts only analog sources.

So I have a few questions:
1) is this an AVR zone 2 hardware or software limitation or is this an Airplay limitation?
2) is there an inexpensive/reliable work-around? My only idea is maybe Airplay from iPhone to ATV, then convert optical to analog then to Zone 2 analog input?
3) I noticed a handful of sites listing XX13 (including Denon) but don't offer details on specs yet...will it be formally released in the next 29 days?

Any ideas/thoughts/suggestions, besides to never assume, b/c you make an a$$-u-me?

Thank you in advance.

1. Zone 2 accepts analog only "external" devices; however, there's no issue with playing internet radio or Airplay to Zone 2, the limitation with Airplay being that it must also be selected in the main zone in order to play in Zone 2 as well.
2. Likely not necessary as noted in #1 above, unless you want an independent Airplay source to Zone 2, then you'll want to use either an ATV or purchase a XX13 model instead which does not have this limitation.
3. Specs are out on all but the 3313CI which should be announced later this week.

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OH ? The airplay in the denon receiver cant stream video from an ipod touch ?

Correct .. in fact no AVR can stream video due to licensing from Apple.

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1. Zone 2 accepts analog only "external" devices; however, there's no issue with playing internet radio or Airplay to Zone 2, the limitation with Airplay being that it must also be selected in the main zone in order to play in Zone 2 as well.
2. Likely not necessary as noted in #1 above, unless you want an independent Airplay source to Zone 2, then you'll want to use either an ATV or purchase a XX13 model instead which does not have this limitation.
3. Specs are out on all but the 3313CI which should be announced later this week.

Based on your 1st answer---in order to play Airplay in zone 2 you have to have the same thing playing in zone 1 ?
So lets say if someone were watching a movie indoors using 5.1--if you wanted to stream music in "zone 2" using airplay you couldnt do it ?
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Correct .. in fact no AVR can stream video due to licensing from Apple.

ahh--thank you for this speedy answer. That a HUGE omission. I would rather have an Apple TV if that's the case.
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Based on your 1st answer---in order to play Airplay in zone 2 you have to have the same thing playing in zone 1 ?
So lets say if someone were watching a movie indoors using 5.1--if you wanted to stream music in "zone 2" using airplay you couldnt do it ?

Correct. You would either need the ATV or a XX13 networking model.

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Correct. You would either need the ATV or a XX13 networking model.

Interesting. Based on this video, crutchfield says you can do that with the 1912 (play a movie in one zone and listen to music in another)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPrWZsxsm2s
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Correct. The music just cannot be from an Airplay source (eg. you can watch a movie in the main zone and listen to internet radio, FM radio, or other externally connected analog audio source in Zone 2).

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ahh--thank you for this speedy answer. That a HUGE omission. I would rather have an Apple TV if that's the case.

When I first started researching AVRs and noticed that some had network connectivity, I wrongly assumed an AVR could be used to access all music and video stored on an HTPC. (These are A/V receivers after all not just audio receivers.) But to my knowledge, no current AVR with network connectivity (Denon or otherwise) can handle video. This reduces the usefulness of onboard networking for some folks, mainly for persons more into the home theater side rather than music listeners. I assume in the next few years, video will make its way to AVR networking. But for now, you are looking at a device such as the mentioned Apple TV, WD Live, Xbox (used as extender) or HTPC.

Because I needed video network capability with a separate device anyway, I went with the Denon 1712 receiver. Plus personal preference, I tend to like keeping certain functionalities separate, because it can lead to more flexibility and better functionality. For example, I am not a fan of the so called smart TVs, because for the most part my HTPC with non-smart TV can run rings around them in terms of access and functionality.
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Is there any big advantage to leaving network standby set to "on" - other than the quicker startup time? I am still having issues with the network freezing while left idol. The only solution at that point being to unplug/replug the power cord. However, if the network freezes (switching back from TV mode) while standby set to off, I can instead turn the receiver off and then on. Network connectivity is reestablished. Much easier than having to unplug the cord every time.
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If you never plan on using a smart phone "remote" app to power up the AVR, then no.

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I am having regular picture drop-outs/white static (but no audio interruption) while watching blu-rays and streaming Netflix from my Panasonic BDT 210 via a Denon AVR 2112Ci receiver.

I thought it might be HDMI handshake issues, but the more I read, the more I see that those occur mainly when switching inputs, not during continuous play. I have tried turning on my TV first, waiting a few minutes, turning on the AVR, waiting a few more minutes, and then turning on the blu-ray player, but the problem still occurs.

Other things to know:
  • There is no cable box or satellite TV involved in my system
  • I have replaced all the HDMI cables
  • I have swapped all the HDMI ports
  • This never occurred when my Panasonic BDT 210 was hooked up to my old plasma TV via my old Denon AVR 1909 receiver
  • The problem doesn't occur when the blu-ray player is hooked straight into the TV. Thinking the Denon AVR 2112ci was the problem, I replaced it with a new 2112ci. The problem still occurs with the new AVR.

I can't shake the feeling that the Denon AVR 2112ci is the problem, even though I've tried two. Is this a known issue? Does anyone have any alternative theories?

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I assume in the next few years, video will make its way to AVR networking. But for now, you are looking at a device such as the mentioned Apple TV, WD Live, Xbox (used as extender) or HTPC.

Or a current-generation Blu-ray player -- their prices are plummeting.

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I can't shake the feeling that the Denon AVR 2112ci is the problem, even though I've tried two. Is this a known issue? Does anyone have any alternative theories?

Thanks!

Try turning off deep color on the BD player. That fixed it for me.
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Correct. You would either need the ATV or a XX13 networking model.

Now I'm confused...I have Apple TV2 which has optical output, so I would have to convert it to analog in order to play it on Zone 2 while kids are watching movie in LR using Main Zone, correct? Airplay hijacks zone 1, while trying to play to Zone 2, hence party-mode.

My goal is to sit on my deck and play music from my iPhone on my deck speakers while kids are watching spongebob in LR.

Lastly, you mentioned 'networking' in your earlier reply to me...AVR-1912 has networking?

FYI - In the interim, I called Denon to ask this very same question...they didn't know and were going to check and email me back...
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Hello everyone. I've joined the club! Just purchased (and installed) my new avr 1612. The receiver it replaced was a technics one from 2000 - needless to say everything just sounds incredible after that tech refresh.

I've lurked here for a while just reading and found this site/forum/thread to be a tremendous source of information, so thank you all!

I don't have anymore issues really as a result. I do have one odd thing that happens from time to time and do wonder if any of you have noticed this. When watching blu rays does your 'menu' button for the reciever fail to bring up the GUI occassionally?

Thanks again,

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OK - I tried slogging through the whole thread, but I just can't do it! I did read through the whole manual for my new 1712 (as well as the first page of this thread), so I'll start there:

I just bought a 1712 last week. My uses are primarily:

1. Watching blurays.
2. Playing PS3.
3. Watching Netflix.
4. Listening to Pandora.
5. Watching TV.

As such, I have all of four sources:

1. PS3 (bluray, gaming)
2. Apple TV (Netflix, Pandora, other media)
3. OTA antenna (TV)
4. Panasonic ST30 VieraLink (Pandora)

I tried setting up ARC, but after some research, saw that I won't be able to just quietly listen to television when I don't want to power up the Denon. So instead of coming back via HDMI, I connected via optical.

Both the Apple TV and the PS3 are connected via HDMI.

Questions

Getting everything set up was kind of a pain, and I still don't fully understand the remote. At times I could press "Menu" and the menu would pop up, other times I'd press "Menu" and absolutely nothing would happen. What was I doing wrong?

For the first few hours, I could not understand why I was only getting 2.0 stereo out of a bluray I was playing (I output PCM from the PS3). I managed to get the receiver to recognize that, but I was really intrigued that it didn't automatically detect a 5.1 multichannel signal and switch to that output. Is this a setting that is going to continually reset on me?

I have a Harmony remote, and would prefer to just use it for all my needs. However, there are a number of different buttons on the Denon remote that are intriguing. Anyone have some good suggestions on how you have your Harmony set up that really takes advantage of things like the four settings buttons, etc.? Anything I should take special notice of and include in my next round of Harmony tinkering?

Should I set up different configurations for bluray movie watching versus PS3 video game playing? Any suggestions as to what that might be?

I was a Government major - please feel free to use small words in your responses. Thanks in advance.
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Now I'm confused...I have Apple TV2 which has optical output, so I would have to convert it to analog in order to play it on Zone 2 while kids are watching movie in LR using Main Zone, correct? Airplay hijacks zone 1, while trying to play to Zone 2, hence party-mode.

My goal is to sit on my deck and play music from my iPhone on my deck speakers while kids are watching spongebob in LR.

Lastly, you mentioned 'networking' in your earlier reply to me...AVR-1912 has networking?

FYI - In the interim, I called Denon to ask this very same question...they didn't know and were going to check and email me back...

The on board Airplay on any XX12 networking model (to include the 1912) is limited to the restriction of having to select the Airplay source in the main zone when also wanting to hear it in Zone 2. When using an ATV on any Zone 2 model, networking or otherwise, by using the Airplay feature on the ATV, you now have the capability to pass Airplay to Zone 2 (with optical ==> analog converter connected to the ATV of course) as an independent source and can play another source (eg. Spongebob via cable/sat box) in the main zone. Note: Party mode does not apply in this configuration at all.

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Hello everyone. I've joined the club! Just purchased (and installed) my new avr 1612. The receiver it replaced was a technics one from 2000 - needless to say everything just sounds incredible after that tech refresh.

I've lurked here for a while just reading and found this site/forum/thread to be a tremendous source of information, so thank you all!

I don't have anymore issues really as a result. I do have one odd thing that happens from time to time and do wonder if any of you have noticed this. When watching blu rays does your 'menu' button for the reciever fail to bring up the GUI occassionally?

Thanks again,

Mo

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The XX12 remotes can control other devices, so if you want to bring up the GUI after selecting the BDP source, you must first press the "AMP" button and then the "MENU" button so the remote knows you want the menu of the AMP vs. the menu of the BDP.

Also, for more information please review posts #3-6 on page 1 of this thread (linked in my sig).

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Welcome to AVS Forum.

The XX12 remotes can control other devices, so if you want to bring up the GUI after selecting the BDP source, you must first press the "AMP" button and then the "MENU" button so the remote knows you want the menu of the AMP vs. the menu of the BDP.

Also, for more information please review posts #3-6 on page 1 of this thread (linked in my sig).

wow, thanks! that must be it, I've been assuming the BD button was just the input source button and not realizing it was trying to be my actual BD remote.

That will all be fixed soon when I get to resetting my Harmony reomote.
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Getting everything set up was kind of a pain, and I still don't fully understand the remote. At times I could press "Menu" and the menu would pop up, other times I'd press "Menu" and absolutely nothing would happen. What was I doing wrong?

For the first few hours, I could not understand why I was only getting 2.0 stereo out of a bluray I was playing (I output PCM from the PS3). I managed to get the receiver to recognize that, but I was really intrigued that it didn't automatically detect a 5.1 multichannel signal and switch to that output. Is this a setting that is going to continually reset on me?

I have a Harmony remote, and would prefer to just use it for all my needs. However, there are a number of different buttons on the Denon remote that are intriguing. Anyone have some good suggestions on how you have your Harmony set up that really takes advantage of things like the four settings buttons, etc.? Anything I should take special notice of and include in my next round of Harmony tinkering?

Should I set up different configurations for bluray movie watching versus PS3 video game playing? Any suggestions as to what that might be?

1. See my post above ... press "AMP" then "MENU".
2. Nope. Originally the PS3 was connected to your TV which could only accept a PCM 2.0 signal. Once you reset the PS3 while connected to the AVR, the PS3 will detect that a multi channel signal can be sent out. If you have a "fat" PS3, then LPCM is the correct setting, while if you have a newer "slim" PS3, then Bitstream would be the correct setting on the PS3.
3. Harmony owners will chime in here.
4. Depends on whether you notice any differences (ie. if lag is noticed, you may want to set the PS3 to LPCM for Games and setting "Video Mode (p. 71) to GAME).

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As such, I have all of four sources:

1. PS3 (bluray, gaming)
2. Apple TV (Netflix, Pandora, other media)
3. OTA antenna (TV)
4. Panasonic ST30 VieraLink (Pandora)

I tried setting up ARC, but after some research, saw that I won't be able to just quietly listen to television when I don't want to power up the Denon. So instead of coming back via HDMI, I connected via optical.

You can use ARC and still listen to TV speakers without AVR being on. In VieraLink settings use "home theater" as the default, but in Audio settings leave TV speakers "on". When the AVR is on, it will mute the TV speakers. When left off (or turned off), you have audio on TV speakers. I have an ST30 and AVR1612 and it works.
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Getting everything set up was kind of a pain, and I still don't fully understand the remote. At times I could press "Menu" and the menu would pop up, other times I'd press "Menu" and absolutely nothing would happen. What was I doing wrong?

If you were on your TV input watching OTA, you wouldn't get the GUI menu as there is no video coming FROM the AVR.
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You can use ARC and still listen to TV speakers without AVR being on. In VieraLink settings use "home theater" as the default, but in Audio settings leave TV speakers "on". When the AVR is on, it will mute the TV speakers. When left off (or turned off), you have audio on TV speakers. I have an ST30 and AVR1612 and it works.

Excellent - I'll give that a shot. Thanks.

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If you were on your TV input watching OTA, you wouldn't get the GUI menu as there is no video coming FROM the AVR.

Possible, but I think I just wasn't pressing AMP like jds suggested.

jdsmoothie - thanks for the response. I was hesitant to jump into a 400+ page thread, but after reading through several pages I saw that you were pretty committed to answering any and all. Thanks for being tech support for all of us!
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Ran Auto Sepup on my 1912 two times today. Measured four setting positions. My speakers are Infinity Alpha 50 Tower Fronts, 37c Center, 20 Surrounds. The sub is a Velodyne VDP1000.

1. Prior to the first run I changed the sub to LFE. Sub volume set to midpoint and frequency to max level. This resulted in the Front & Surrounds being set to Full Range. Voice audio was overpowered so I reran Auto Setup.

2. Prior to the second run I changed the sub from LFE to LFE + Mains based on the assumption Audyssey would set some of the speakers to Large. In fact, Audyssey then did set the Fronts to Large, Center to Small and Surrounds to Large. I set MultiEQ to Audyssey Flat based on a perceived slight improvement in the audio. Dynamic EQ is set to ON. Crossover Frequency: Front 40Hz, Center 80Hz, Surround 40Hz. Voice audio is clear and at a normal level.

I welcome your critique, comments and suggestions.

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Denon AVR 1912
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Panasonic HD DVD DMP-BD65 & Toshiba HD DVR A20
Infinity Alpha Series Speakers - 50's (2), 20's (2), 10's (2), 37c (1) & Velodyne Subwoofer
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