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I noticed that on the 2112CI, too. No audio outputs at all (other than the analog-limited multi-zone outs).

That's gonna make it hard to connect my wireless headphones!

Unless of course your headphones take an analog input then you're good to go with the Zone 2 preouts.

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My room is; i believe to be 13 by 21...with two def tech bp6's bipolar loudspeakers...4 def tech pro 100...and the center channel is pro 200..which I think now is called the 2000 it's basically the same and my sub is def tech 10 inch 250 watts which now called the pro 1000... So do you think that the 3311/991 would be right for me..oh yea my display is a 55 inch Sony led 3d tv

Yep. I would go 3311/991 all the way. Also, the 3311 and 991 are twin models but the 3311 has the flip down panel on the front as well as preamp outputs, zone 3, and a couple other features.
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So what you are saying is go for it or that just might be overkill...is my DHT considered to be a large or small room according to my measurements
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Unless of course your headphones take an analog input then you're good to go with the Zone 2 preouts.

They do -- analog or optical -- but the pre-outs won't allow me to listen to anything connected to the HDMI or SP/DIF (for BR and HTPC). I guess I could use a passive splitter for the optical from the HTPC and then run analog from the BR, but what a pain!

Why is Denon dropping output connectors? Are they that costly to include?
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There's apparently no widespread use of the optical out jack. You would still need an optical splitter using one of last year's models as the optical out jack only works with the matching optical in jack. Might be just as easy connecting it to an HDMI/analog splitter. Check forum sponsor Monoprice for various splitters that are available.

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^^ Monoprice would, of course, be my go-to solution. (As always!)

Just sad that I would be taking a functionality step backward from my 1999-model Sony ....
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They do -- analog or optical -- but the pre-outs won't allow me to listen to anything connected to the HDMI or SP/DIF (for BR and HTPC).
neither would the old optical out. Its use was very restricted as I noted a few posts up.

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No worries ... as long as you can limit your main zone to 5.1 you can use the Amp Assign/Surr Back speaker posts for a powered Zone 2.
Thanks jdsmoothie!! I feel much better now...

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By "seek" do you mean the AUTO SEARCH (cue) "<<" and ">>" buttons (p. 43)?
I don't think the << and >> do what I want.

I have many cds that I've encoded as one big file rather than one file per song. All of my stuff is in either in mp3 or flac format.

The first thing I want is the ability to "fast forward" through mp3 and flac files. By FF I mean the way VCR's used to work. You press the FF button and the video plays fast. Rockbox does a great job of this on handheld mp3 players. So far all I can do is play my albums from beginning to end on the Denon.

The second thing I want is the ability to fast seek to cuepoints in flac files. This would work exactly like the Previous Chapter and Next Chapter buttons on bluray or dvd. Most people who encode entire albums as one big flac file set cuepoints at the transition between songs. That way they can hit the Next Cuepoint button on their player to skip to the next song.

The last thing is correct metadata display for each song in a "whole album flac file." This can be figured out from the embedded cuesheet in the flac file.

I really expected the Denon to do all of this stuff. It's not that difficult to implement. Without it the built-in mp3/flac playback is more of a novelty than anything.
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If you've tried those buttons and they don't work ... then likely no. Give Denon a call though to confirm.

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A few authorized resellers (Crutchfield, Audioholics, Listen Up (via Amazon)) are indicating the "CI" models (2112CI, 2312CI, and 3312CI) will start arriving in their stores either Friday May 20 or Monday May 23.

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Sweet, my birthday is the 23rd and I would love to bring home a 3312 as a birthday present!
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A couple authorized resellers (Crutchfield and Audioholics) are indicating the "CI" models (2112CI, 2312CI, and 3312CI) will start arriving in their stores either Friday May 20 or Monday May 23.
As of 8AM Pacific on 5/19, Crutchfield is actually saying that they are currently in stock (as is Amazon through one of its affiliaites). I hope they're correct as I've got a 2112ci on order at Crutchfield. Unfortunately, I also have an Aperion Verus Grand Center speaker on order so my listening will be 2 channel stereo for the next few weeks.

EDIT: I just received an email from Crutchfield informing me that my 2112ci has been shipped. Cool.
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Sweet, my birthday is the 23rd and I would love to bring home a 3312 as a birthday present!

Join the club, fellow Gemini! The 23rd is my birthday as well.

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Yet another goof on Denon's QA folks by just copying and pasting from the 3311CI info.

Yes, another goof from Denon, ooppppsss.... I guess the 3312CI does NOT have Sirius RADIO then, correct?

Even though on the Denon site for the 3312CI under Technology it shows SIRIUS Ready:

"Delivers the best commercial-free music, plus all the top professional and college sports, expert sports talk, uncensored comedy and entertainment, news from the most trusted sources and local traffic and weather".
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So what you are saying is go for it or that just might be overkill...is my DHT considered to be a large or small room according to my measurements

I think most would classify your room as Medium in size... but that being said, either go for the 3311CI which you can pick up a couple hundred less than the 3312CI, or just buy the latest 3312CI if you need Airplay, etc.

I am sure you will be VERY HAPPY with either Model Denon, both the same power output per channel.
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Yes, another goof from Denon, ooppppsss.... I guess the 3312CI does NOT have Sirius RADIO then, correct?

correct, as I noted above it's not even mentioned in the manual. I think Sirius/XM just isn't a high-demand feature anymore with all the free internet content nowadays...

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A guy at Denon just told me the 2112 has 7.1 anolog inputs I can use with Sony BDP 5000ES. ?
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Unfortunately "the guys at Denon" are a 3rd party contractor based out of Texas and sometimes the CSRs aren't up to speed on what it is they are supposed to be providing help on ... in this case, easy enough to pull up the back panel view of the 2112CI and see for yourself there are no 7.1 multi channel inputs. Use the ENLARGE button on the web page to get a better view. In fact, none of the XX12 models have multi channel inputs. If that's what you're looking for, your best bet is the used 2310CI that 6Ave has on sale if you don't need HDMI 1.4 and which clearly does have 7.1 EXT IN jacks as shown here although does not include networking.

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I think most would classify your room as Medium in size... but that being said, either go for the 3311CI which you can pick up a couple hundred less than the 3312CI, or just buy the latest 3312CI if you need Airplay, etc.

I am sure you will be VERY HAPPY with either Model Denon, both the same power output per channel.

I don't think I need airplay...not sure what that is..but if it's what I think I'm good..besides with the ps3 and the blu ray player; and the tv having so many different ways of listening to music..oh yea let's not forget our iPods, phones and etc..we don't need that all I want is a kick ass receiver that will make my movies sound great and make the upstairs shake a little to piss off the wife..lol
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I am noticing the none of the new Denon support 5 channel stereo. I like to listen to music using all 5 speakers, not just my 2 B&W 684s. Any confirmation to this? if so, any settings to circumvent?
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Airplay allows you to stream music straight from your ipod or iphone to the AVR.


If you're not maxing out the 1910, your other option is to simply upgrade your HDMI 1.3 BDP to a dual HDMI 1.4 BDP and pass the 3D video to the TV and HD audio to the 1910 as the PS3 cannot pass HD audio when playing 3D video.

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Thanks jds for the info.

I have waited a long time to replace my 3801, even though it has 6.1 analog inputs I believe, for a networking recvr. Perhaps one of the xx11 series has multi channel analog inputs and networking?
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The only XX11 AVR that has EXT IN jacks is the 4311CI and the lowest networking model from the XX10 line is the 3310CI/991.

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I am noticing the none of the new Denon support 5 channel stereo. I like to listen to music using all 5 speakers, not just my 2 B&W 684s. Any confirmation to this? if so, any settings to circumvent?

it's already been stated several times in this thread that the online specs are screwed up, that info is NOT correct.

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I don't think I need airplay...not sure what that is..but if it's what I think I'm good..besides with the ps3 and the blu ray player; and the tv having so many different ways of listening to music..oh yea let's not forget our iPods, phones and etc..we don't need that all I want is a kick ass receiver that will make my movies sound great and make the upstairs shake a little to piss off the wife..lol

Either one, 3311CI is a couple hundred less NEW than the 3312CI right now.

Either one will give you 125W / Channel, a lot of power, and if that is not enough for you later you can purchase an external amp and hookup to your preouts. Either AVR is chock full of features, and will give you very nice Movie Audio for sure.
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I am noticing the none of the new Denon support 5 channel stereo. I like to listen to music using all 5 speakers, not just my 2 B&W 684s. Any confirmation to this? if so, any settings to circumvent?

Best to check this with JD --

But I believe JD stated ALL the new XX12's and even older models have the "MULTI CH. STEREO" DSP MODE built-into them.

I know my 3311CI has it, and it sounds NICE, but I personally prefer STEREO 2.1(2), once you get your Denon SETUP Correctly for Stereo Imaging, Xover's, LFE, etc. You will LOVE the Stereo Mode, but it still sounds Very Nice in the Multi Ch Stereo mode also.
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I don't think I need airplay...not sure what that is..but if it's what I think I'm good..besides with the ps3 and the blu ray player; and the tv having so many different ways of listening to music..oh yea let's not forget our iPods, phones and etc..we don't need that all I want is a kick ass receiver that will make my movies sound great and make the upstairs shake a little to piss off the wife..lol

Grab yourself one of the 3311CI's then and save a couple hundred. It is feature packed, and the Audio is very smooth, warm, and Natural in sound. Nothing but DENON, I LOVE Mine, and am going to either buy another 3311/3312 or 4311. Would love the 4311, but it's NOT Cheap, but great Audio is just NOT Cheap.
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A few authorized resellers (Crutchfield, Audioholics, Listen Up (via Amazon)) are indicating the "CI" models (2112CI, 2312CI, and 3312CI) will start arriving in their stores either Friday May 20 or Monday May 23.

You folks will get a much better price by calling/emailing Audioholics or ListenUp directly. If you buy online, you will pay MSRP, as per Denon's agreement with their authorized dealers.

Unfortunately, I've never gotten Crutchfield to discount anything from their online price. OTOH, I have gotten some good advertised sale prices there. And, you can't beat their service.

But, I'm gonna wait a week or so to see if the phone/email discounts from the usual suspects will be in effect for the 3312 as they were with the 3311, which was generally available for about 30% off list right out of the gate. If the 3312 is the same, it will be quite a bargain, as it starts out with an msrp $200 lower than the 3311.
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Thanks again jds.
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