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Hey all,

I have a Denon AVR-1312. From a specs page I found for it, seems that it does not support DSD for SACD playback.
Does that mean I'm hosed if I want to listen to SACD surround albums? Or do I have some options with the 1312?
I currently do not have an SACD player, but am shopping, which is what brought all this up.
I listen to BD-A and DVD-A surround albums with some regularity, usually on the "Direct" setting, though some older DVD-As seem to only play properly on the "Dolby" setting, for some reason (like, on direct the sub gets no signal).

Thanks for any advice!
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You'll want to purchase an SACD player that can decode the DSD to PCM first and then pass it over HDMI to the 1312.
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You'll want to purchase an SACD player that can decode the DSD to PCM first and then pass it over HDMI to the 1312.
Yeah. Just checked the back of the 1312. Doesn't even have analog rca inputs! Do you have any recommendations for such players? I'm currently looking at an OPPO BDP 80 or DV-981. Not sure how to tell if they can do that, but I'll try to dig in to their specs.
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The multi analog inputs on the lower models was dropped several years ago such that only the flagship model 4520CI now currently has them. None of the XX12 models feature DSD over HDMI with the 2313CI and X3000 being the lowest more current models that can do this. Oppo would be a good choice for a SACD player.
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Oppo would be a good choice for a SACD player.

I see the OPPO BDP 80 converts to PCM. Is that still a 5.1 signal, assuming the SACD layer is mixed in 5.1?
If so, I'm good with that.
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If it's 5.1 DSD then it will be 5.1 PCM as well.
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Woo!

PF - DSotM & Dire Straits Brothers in Arms SACDs ordered! Can't wait to hear how my DVD-As come out as well. I think my LG BDP has just been playing the DVD-V content.
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As far as OPPOs go, I am looking to keep the price down - I'd love < $300...
Is there some argument that can be made for a certain, lowish-end model? Given my somewhat entry-level receiver and speaker setup (Best Buy Denon package - AVR 1312 - Boston speakers, with sub upgraded to 12" Polk), I imagine I'll be pleased as punch with the OPPO BDP-80, but just want to make sure I shouldn't be stretching the budget for the 83, 93, 103, etc.
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I don't know why you would spend more on your shiny-disc player than you did on your entire setup. Is the incremental quality improvement going from CD to SACD even going to matter with that type of setup?

It seems insane to me to spend $300+ on a BDP in this context. You would get far better bang for your buck in terms of audio quality improvement by upgrading to a better receiver with Audyssey MultEQ XT. You can do this fairly cheaply at the the 17xx / X1xxx level (e.g. a used/refurb 1712, a closeout X1000) and gain room correction and Dynamic EQ.

If you want to try SACD there are also cheap Sony BDP's that can do DSD>PCM output.
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My main reason to move to sacd over cd is the selection of surround albums, not sound quality. My current BDP doesn't support sacd and it bungles many DVD-As.
Yes, I could go for a $30 Sony BDP, but I don't get a warm-fuzzy that one of those would handle DVD-A any better than my current LG BDP.

ATM, an OPPO BDP-80 can be scored for between $100-200, which is only a fraction of the cost of the rest of my setup.

Eventually upgrading the receiver is certainly worth considering, but then, so is upgrading the speakers and other stuff.
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My main reason to move to sacd over cd is the selection of surround albums, not sound quality. My current BDP doesn't support sacd and it bungles many DVD-As.
Yes, I could go for a $30 Sony BDP, but I don't get a warm-fuzzy that one of those would handle DVD-A any better than my current LG BDP.

ATM, an OPPO BDP-80 can be scored for between $100-200, which is only a fraction of the cost of the rest of my setup.

Eventually upgrading the receiver is certainly worth considering, but then, so is upgrading the speakers and other stuff.
Have you considered DTS audio CD's?
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Have you considered DTS audio CD's?
As I'm not sure what those are, I haven't!
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Asnot sure what those are, I haven't!
5.1 music CD that will play on a CD player through optical, Bluray player, and DVD player.
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5.1 music CD that will play on a CD player through optical, Bluray player, and DVD player.
Is it an up-and-coming format? Near-extinct? What I'm familiar with, at this point is DVD-A, SACD and BD-A.
I would also like to find out if there are downloadable surround choices, like downloading an ISO, maybe, and burning it to disc or playing it from a computer app with the right soundcard, etc.
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Is it an up-and-coming format? Near-extinct? What I'm familiar with, at this point is DVD-A, SACD and BD-A.
I would also like to find out if there are downloadable surround choices, like downloading an ISO, maybe, and burning it to disc or playing it from a computer app with the right soundcard, etc.
Well, I guess it is near extinct. Was just looking around for some. I guess they don't make them anymore. You can buy them used. I bought a lot a few years ago, ripped them, and play through a WDTV live streaming player.
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I'm finding that two cheapy OPPO players I'm interested in probably don't support DSD output, i.e. they will always convert to PCM before export, even if the receiver supports DSD (OPPO BDP 80, DV-981HD).
This may be something I wish to avoid, if it only means plunking down a couple hundred more bucks. Can anyone suggest a universal player, either Blu-ray or DVD that does convert to PCM, if necessary, but does support native DSD if the receiver does? I just don't want to close the DSD door for the future, but want to be able to listen to 5.1 PCM, with my AVR-1312, in the meantime.
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I'm finding that two cheapy OPPO players I'm interested in probably don't support DSD output, i.e. they will always convert to PCM before export, even if the receiver supports DSD (OPPO BDP 80, DV-981HD).
This may be something I wish to avoid, if it only means plunking down a couple hundred more bucks. Can anyone suggest a universal player, either Blu-ray or DVD that does convert to PCM, if necessary, but does support native DSD if the receiver does? I just don't want to close the DSD door for the future, but want to be able to listen to 5.1 PCM, with my AVR-1312, in the meantime.
The Sony BDP-S6200 might. It does support SACD. What exactly do you need it to do?

You can try asking in the owners thread. I have a 6200, but no SACDs to test.

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Order has been placed for an OPPO BDP-83!
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Question. Now that I have my HTPC running correctly through the AVR, my wife has asked if I can do Karaoke. So I figured I'd just pull up YouTube on the HTPC and play Karaoke versions of the songs from there. I bought a microphone and tried plugging it into the HTPC soundcard. No dice. I get the audio from the mic through all the speakers but it's about a 1/2 second delay from the music being played on YouTube. Is there any way to plug a microphone directly into the AVR (Denon 2312CI)? Or is there another type of setup that I can use? We have an old Karaoke machine that is basically just a standalone amp but you have to constantly play with the volume to make sure it's balanced with the music being played through the speakers attached to the AVR. Was hoping there was either software I could use on the HTPC (windows 7) that would cut out the delay or a different way of connecting the microphone to the AVR.
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So when my new Sony XBR 65 950b arrives (in a few days) I think I will want to run the hdmi cables directly into my tv so I get the best 4k processing. I think my Denon 1912 only has one optical audio imput right? Does that mean I need to choose which device ( cable, Xbox one) that I want to use for that single optical audio input? Should I connect new tv like my current one and just run everything through Denon? Will I be robbing myself of picture quality? Time for a new receiver?
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Until there is actual 4k content, not going to matter if you route the sources though the 1912 or not as the TV will do the upscaling either way. To get more optical inputs, purchase an optical switch ...

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Question. Now that I have my HTPC running correctly through the AVR, my wife has asked if I can do Karaoke. So I figured I'd just pull up YouTube on the HTPC and play Karaoke versions of the songs from there. I bought a microphone and tried plugging it into the HTPC soundcard. No dice. I get the audio from the mic through all the speakers but it's about a 1/2 second delay from the music being played on YouTube. Is there any way to plug a microphone directly into the AVR (Denon 2312CI)? Or is there another type of setup that I can use? We have an old Karaoke machine that is basically just a standalone amp but you have to constantly play with the volume to make sure it's balanced with the music being played through the speakers attached to the AVR. Was hoping there was either software I could use on the HTPC (windows 7) that would cut out the delay or a different way of connecting the microphone to the AVR.
No way to connect the mic to the AVR, rather the source device (either HTPC or Karaoke machine) will have to do the mixing.

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Question. Now that I have my HTPC running correctly through the AVR, my wife has asked if I can do Karaoke. So I figured I'd just pull up YouTube on the HTPC and play Karaoke versions of the songs from there. I bought a microphone and tried plugging it into the HTPC soundcard. No dice. I get the audio from the mic through all the speakers but it's about a 1/2 second delay from the music being played on YouTube. Is there any way to plug a microphone directly into the AVR (Denon 2312CI)? Or is there another type of setup that I can use? We have an old Karaoke machine that is basically just a standalone amp but you have to constantly play with the volume to make sure it's balanced with the music being played through the speakers attached to the AVR. Was hoping there was either software I could use on the HTPC (windows 7) that would cut out the delay or a different way of connecting the microphone to the AVR.
Think this will this work for what I'm trying to do?

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Doesn't Netflix have 4k content? That display probably has a Netflix app built in though...
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OPPO BDP-83 has arrived!!! Have already auditioned SACD, DVD-A, DVD from PAL region - works flawlessly with all.
SOOOOOoooooo happy...
Thank you, thank you, thank you for all the suggestions.
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From the description it would seem so, yes.

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I've got the Denon 2112. I'm doing a bit of an upgrade this weekend in my side surrounds and they will be going off line for about a week. Is there an easy way to go to a traditional 5.1 setup with rear speakers but no side speakers for a week? I can't seem to find a way to turn off the sides but leave the rears in place.
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Can't have Surround Back without Surround.

Simple fix is connect your Surround Back speakers to the Surround terminals.
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Yeah that is the conclusion I reached. I'll survive with stereo for a week.
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Some movies sound better that way, if your front 2 are much better than the rest.
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