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I ordered this and it should be here in a few days...I'll post my results with it. Not sure if it will extract analog stereo out of the hdmi cable if it's passing 5.1 or something but I mainly want to get two channel music off my htpc into zone2 on my avr...if it can do that without causing any hdmi audio issues otherwise I'll be happy.




I got the ViewHD device today (linked above). It is about the size of a deck of playing cards and surprisingly well made... fairly thick steel and painted matte black.

It works as advertised. I can now listen to 2 channel music from my HTPC outside on zone2 of my avr without messing with any settings on my htpc.

Basicly the hdmi works as usual for zone1 of my avr but when zone 2 is on I can listen to anything on my pc that is 2 channel audio. The analog output on the viewhd device only outputs audio if the source is 2 channel, so I can't play a 5.1 channel movie on the htpc and get any sound on zone2 but I only want 2 channel music on zone 2 and for that it works great.
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I believe you it won't convert digital HDMI input to analogue in Zone 2. I had the same problem trying to connect headphones to zone 2. you have to connect analogue to get zone 2 to work.
I finally found something on a forum doing a search! Looks like someone found a device that lets you split off the audio and pass it as analog while not affecting the HDMI digital audio. Sweet!
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Question on HDMI Audio Out for a 3312CI.

I have a second zone that I would like to pass 5.1 Audio to over HDMI from the Denon. If I bitstream TruHD or DTS MA to the Denon, can it pass 5.1 PCM via HDMI Audio out, or is it limited to say 2 channels? My second zone preamp can not decode the HD audio formats, but can accept them over Multichannel PCM via HDMI.
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First off, be aware that the dual HDMI outputs of the 3312 are NOT independent. They are parallel outputs for the main zone, so the HDMI Auio Out setting will apply equally to both. If you want to pass HDMI audio through it will silence the speakers hooked up to the 3312.

The newer replacements have added the feature of an independent HDMI output for another zone, which can pass an HDMI source independently of the main zone. So you could be watching one HDMI source in the main zone while passing another HDMI source to the second zone.

In either case, pass through is just that -- the signal passes through. The receiver will NOT take an HDMI signal and process the audio and then pass along a different audio signal. When you choose to pass it through to another HDMI processor, the HDMI handshake is now being negotiated between the source and the final sink.

If you can swing it, selling the second zone preamp and moving the 3312 there, and then replacing the 3312 with a newer model that has independent zone HDMI output will allow you total flexibility, with both processors having the same audio capabilities allowing you to send any HDMI source to either zone without restriction.

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How come my 2112ci wont read the iphone 5s? I connected the phone thru the usb port of the avr to listen music but I cant get the music out to.my.speakers. any idea why? Or 2112 is not compatible with the iphone 5s?
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How come my 2112ci wont read the iphone 5s? I connected the phone thru the usb port of the avr to listen music but I cant get the music out to.my.speakers. any idea why? Or 2112 is not compatible with the iphone 5s?
More than likely just not compatible as the AVR was released before the iPhone 5s. You should be able to use Airplay though to play the iTunes audio from the phone to the AVR.

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Cool

sorry to ask such an elementary question, but, I've spent over 2 hours looking for the answer...

for a 7.1 source & NO Surround Back is selected, is the Surround Back material reproduced by the Surround Left & Right?

seems I read that somewhere, but, I sure can't find it... or, does it depend? normally I run A-DSX WIDES, with no Surround Back on my 3312...

doesn't help that I can't get a search to run for 7.1...

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All 6.1 and 7.1 content is backwards compatible with 5.1. The soundtrack is configured by the mixer to play properly with two surrounds, the 3 or 4 surround channels will fold down into 2.
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Thank you, very much.

Backwards compatible makes me think I know where I read that; now, if I can just get a boy off a PC...

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I finally found something on a forum doing a search! Looks like someone found a device that lets you split off the audio and pass it as analog while not affecting the HDMI digital audio. Sweet!
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Just FYI that I got this and it worked like a charm. Was able to pass digital via HDMI to zone 1 and then output analog audio to the AVR inputs and select it for zone 2. No sync/delay problems and it sounds great. Now I can pump music (or even play a movie) out all 15 speakers throughout.
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Hey all,

I have a Denon AVR-1312. From a specs page I found for it, seems that it does not support DSD for SACD playback.
Does that mean I'm hosed if I want to listen to SACD surround albums? Or do I have some options with the 1312?
I currently do not have an SACD player, but am shopping, which is what brought all this up.
I listen to BD-A and DVD-A surround albums with some regularity, usually on the "Direct" setting, though some older DVD-As seem to only play properly on the "Dolby" setting, for some reason (like, on direct the sub gets no signal).

Thanks for any advice!
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You'll want to purchase an SACD player that can decode the DSD to PCM first and then pass it over HDMI to the 1312.
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You'll want to purchase an SACD player that can decode the DSD to PCM first and then pass it over HDMI to the 1312.
Yeah. Just checked the back of the 1312. Doesn't even have analog rca inputs! Do you have any recommendations for such players? I'm currently looking at an OPPO BDP 80 or DV-981. Not sure how to tell if they can do that, but I'll try to dig in to their specs.
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The multi analog inputs on the lower models was dropped several years ago such that only the flagship model 4520CI now currently has them. None of the XX12 models feature DSD over HDMI with the 2313CI and X3000 being the lowest more current models that can do this. Oppo would be a good choice for a SACD player.
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Oppo would be a good choice for a SACD player.

I see the OPPO BDP 80 converts to PCM. Is that still a 5.1 signal, assuming the SACD layer is mixed in 5.1?
If so, I'm good with that.
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If it's 5.1 DSD then it will be 5.1 PCM as well.
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Woo!

PF - DSotM & Dire Straits Brothers in Arms SACDs ordered! Can't wait to hear how my DVD-As come out as well. I think my LG BDP has just been playing the DVD-V content.
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As far as OPPOs go, I am looking to keep the price down - I'd love < $300...
Is there some argument that can be made for a certain, lowish-end model? Given my somewhat entry-level receiver and speaker setup (Best Buy Denon package - AVR 1312 - Boston speakers, with sub upgraded to 12" Polk), I imagine I'll be pleased as punch with the OPPO BDP-80, but just want to make sure I shouldn't be stretching the budget for the 83, 93, 103, etc.
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I don't know why you would spend more on your shiny-disc player than you did on your entire setup. Is the incremental quality improvement going from CD to SACD even going to matter with that type of setup?

It seems insane to me to spend $300+ on a BDP in this context. You would get far better bang for your buck in terms of audio quality improvement by upgrading to a better receiver with Audyssey MultEQ XT. You can do this fairly cheaply at the the 17xx / X1xxx level (e.g. a used/refurb 1712, a closeout X1000) and gain room correction and Dynamic EQ.

If you want to try SACD there are also cheap Sony BDP's that can do DSD>PCM output.
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My main reason to move to sacd over cd is the selection of surround albums, not sound quality. My current BDP doesn't support sacd and it bungles many DVD-As.
Yes, I could go for a $30 Sony BDP, but I don't get a warm-fuzzy that one of those would handle DVD-A any better than my current LG BDP.

ATM, an OPPO BDP-80 can be scored for between $100-200, which is only a fraction of the cost of the rest of my setup.

Eventually upgrading the receiver is certainly worth considering, but then, so is upgrading the speakers and other stuff.
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My main reason to move to sacd over cd is the selection of surround albums, not sound quality. My current BDP doesn't support sacd and it bungles many DVD-As.
Yes, I could go for a $30 Sony BDP, but I don't get a warm-fuzzy that one of those would handle DVD-A any better than my current LG BDP.

ATM, an OPPO BDP-80 can be scored for between $100-200, which is only a fraction of the cost of the rest of my setup.

Eventually upgrading the receiver is certainly worth considering, but then, so is upgrading the speakers and other stuff.
Have you considered DTS audio CD's?
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Have you considered DTS audio CD's?
As I'm not sure what those are, I haven't!
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Asnot sure what those are, I haven't!
5.1 music CD that will play on a CD player through optical, Bluray player, and DVD player.
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5.1 music CD that will play on a CD player through optical, Bluray player, and DVD player.
Is it an up-and-coming format? Near-extinct? What I'm familiar with, at this point is DVD-A, SACD and BD-A.
I would also like to find out if there are downloadable surround choices, like downloading an ISO, maybe, and burning it to disc or playing it from a computer app with the right soundcard, etc.
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Is it an up-and-coming format? Near-extinct? What I'm familiar with, at this point is DVD-A, SACD and BD-A.
I would also like to find out if there are downloadable surround choices, like downloading an ISO, maybe, and burning it to disc or playing it from a computer app with the right soundcard, etc.
Well, I guess it is near extinct. Was just looking around for some. I guess they don't make them anymore. You can buy them used. I bought a lot a few years ago, ripped them, and play through a WDTV live streaming player.
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I'm finding that two cheapy OPPO players I'm interested in probably don't support DSD output, i.e. they will always convert to PCM before export, even if the receiver supports DSD (OPPO BDP 80, DV-981HD).
This may be something I wish to avoid, if it only means plunking down a couple hundred more bucks. Can anyone suggest a universal player, either Blu-ray or DVD that does convert to PCM, if necessary, but does support native DSD if the receiver does? I just don't want to close the DSD door for the future, but want to be able to listen to 5.1 PCM, with my AVR-1312, in the meantime.
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I'm finding that two cheapy OPPO players I'm interested in probably don't support DSD output, i.e. they will always convert to PCM before export, even if the receiver supports DSD (OPPO BDP 80, DV-981HD).
This may be something I wish to avoid, if it only means plunking down a couple hundred more bucks. Can anyone suggest a universal player, either Blu-ray or DVD that does convert to PCM, if necessary, but does support native DSD if the receiver does? I just don't want to close the DSD door for the future, but want to be able to listen to 5.1 PCM, with my AVR-1312, in the meantime.
The Sony BDP-S6200 might. It does support SACD. What exactly do you need it to do?

You can try asking in the owners thread. I have a 6200, but no SACDs to test.

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Question. Now that I have my HTPC running correctly through the AVR, my wife has asked if I can do Karaoke. So I figured I'd just pull up YouTube on the HTPC and play Karaoke versions of the songs from there. I bought a microphone and tried plugging it into the HTPC soundcard. No dice. I get the audio from the mic through all the speakers but it's about a 1/2 second delay from the music being played on YouTube. Is there any way to plug a microphone directly into the AVR (Denon 2312CI)? Or is there another type of setup that I can use? We have an old Karaoke machine that is basically just a standalone amp but you have to constantly play with the volume to make sure it's balanced with the music being played through the speakers attached to the AVR. Was hoping there was either software I could use on the HTPC (windows 7) that would cut out the delay or a different way of connecting the microphone to the AVR.
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So when my new Sony XBR 65 950b arrives (in a few days) I think I will want to run the hdmi cables directly into my tv so I get the best 4k processing. I think my Denon 1912 only has one optical audio imput right? Does that mean I need to choose which device ( cable, Xbox one) that I want to use for that single optical audio input? Should I connect new tv like my current one and just run everything through Denon? Will I be robbing myself of picture quality? Time for a new receiver?
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